"As the Plains Burn" Summary of Cam Newton Saga on TD.com

[MattinBama]

Interesting read, never mind 1/2 if even 1/10th of that is accurate I would say Auburn is getting nailed.

One thing I noticed they left off of Cam's recruitment is his dad going to Auburn by himself and the article about it being pulled from another site. Saw that mentioned on here.

 

[bobstod]

Took me the alotted 30 minutes to read it all. Still haven't absorbed all of it. The most convincing points as I reflect are (1) the sudden influx of recruits following a 5-7 season and a new coach with a poor record, (2) the sudden affluence of Cam's father's business and church, (3) the story about why Tubs left Auburn, (4) and the long-time wiretapping that has been going on for over a year involving most of the Auburn board, who are virtually all also members of Lowder's Colonial Bank board.

Before reading this I was not convinced that Auburn was in serious trouble. Now I think they are in VERY serious trouble for a very long time.

It does not make me smile. I hate it for them, and I hate it for the SEC. I don't know any practical way to prevent stuff like this from happening in the future...:frown:

 

[Rowl Tyde]

I just posted the link on facebook. Just trying to do it the obama way and spread it around!:biggrin:

 

[cbi1972]

There appears to be a big deal made out of Pat Dye being back in the fold since the Chizik hire, but I can tell you with 100% certainty Pat Dye was fundraising for the Auburn Athletic Department in 2001-2002.

Furthermore, and at least of those fundraising overtures was rejected, even though the target of the fundraising was a huge Auburn supporter, big football fan, and continued to give generously to Auburn in ways other than athletics, even though he owned one of the high roller stadium boxes. The specific reason for this devoted Auburn man's decision not to give more to Auburn athletics? Bobby Lowder. And this was before Jetgate.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I haven't posted here in a couple of years, but I thought that you guys might be interested in this if you haven't already seen it.

The SEC Rant on Tigerdroppings.com (different from the Tiger Rant) has done a bang-up job of following the Cam Newton story. One of the posters over there wrote an amazing summary with a timeline of what has happened. No one is really able to refute it.

If you want some amazing reading, pull up a chair and take about a half hour to go behind the scenes. This will be a movie one day.

As the Plains Burn......... - SEC Football - TigerDroppings.com

Looks like Auburn is toast.

As a college football historian, I just want to correct a few minor errors that I noted when I read this piece last night. They deal primarily with chronology.

1. Under chapter 1, there is the claim that back in 1992-93, there are rumors around Pat Dye. Actually, those rumors broke on September 27, 1991 and continued through until Dye resigned on 11/25/92.

2."That same year" Ramsey uses a tape recorder; not true. Ramsey did use a tape recorder and he did tape Corky Frost, but that was in the spring of 1990, right before Ramsey's senior year at Auburn.

3. The following paragraph:

On August 18, 1993, Auburn was hit with some of the most severe penalties in the history of the NCAA (at that time). These included a two-year bowl ban, a one-year television ban (for the 1993 season), and the loss of 13 scholarships spread out over a four-year period. Dye was also banned from any appearance at an Auburn function until August 1995. The probation period, while enforced at the beginning of the 1993 season, did not actually start until the 1991 probations of the basketball and tennis teams ended. The probation therefore extended until Thanksgiving 1995

is from Wikipedia.

How do I know?

Because I wrote it back in 2006.

But don't let the Wikipedia name fool you. I researched that inside and out before posting it, including reading the actual citation of sanctions from the NCAA report (I can no longer find these online - guess they can charge for them now).

However - note that the only qualm I have is with DATES, NOT with FACTS.

This is utterly devastating if even 1/10th of it is true.

And remember - the FBI does not snoop around NCAA investigations for PFP practices. They would only be there for something tangential or something related to gambling.

 

[TexasBama]

Just a thought...

On Slive dragging his feet, I wonder if its because he was told to by the FBI because of the McGregor business?

 

[GeorgiaTider]

Took me the alotted 30 minutes to read it all. Still haven't absorbed all of it. The most convincing points as I reflect are (1) the sudden influx of recruits following a 5-7 season and a new coach with a poor record, (2) the sudden affluence of Cam's father's business and church, (3) the story about why Tubs left Auburn, (4) and the long-time wiretapping that has been going on for over a year involving most of the Auburn board, who are virtually all also members of Lowder's Colonial Bank board.

Before reading this I was not convinced that Auburn was in serious trouble. Now I think they are in VERY serious trouble for a very long time.

It does not make me smile. I hate it for them, and I hate it for the SEC. I don't know any practical way to prevent stuff like this from happening in the future...:frown:

I think points 3 and 4 are the hardest to explain away, if they are true. The others are easy enough to explain.

 

[TRU]

This is a very convincing story, and one that certainly does not bode well for Auburn. I have been wondering why it seemed that the story had stopped with MSU and the Newton family, given that anyone following the trail can see that it leads straight to the Fairest Village on the Plains. But if the Feds have gotten involved by following the trail from Montgomery to Auburn, that would explain everything. People tend to shut up and hunker down when the Feds come calling.

That said, I agree with those that say that Auburn will never sit Cam out. How many times when a perp gets cornered in a shootout with the cops does he throw down his gun and walk out with his hands up? You might as well go out in a blaze of glory. Auburn is going to ride the Newton train as far as they can, even if it is heading straight over a cliff.

 

[formersoldier71]

I researched that inside and out before posting it, including reading the actual citation of sanctions from the NCAA report (I can no longer find these online - guess they can charge for them now).

Here's the NCAA link to Auburn's major infractions....
https://web1.ncaa.org/LSDBi/exec/miSearch

Type Auburn University in the Institution block. Then it will bring up their seven major infractions. Clicking on the '93 case will allow access to a .pdf of the public report.

 

[TideprideRTR]

W&L is the apostle over on BOL. they have a lot of "insiders" over there.
some are pretty good with recruiting information, etc.
many have come out in the last week or so with a bunch of Camgate information.
BUT when W&L wrote his piece regarding Cam and auburn, everybody and I mean everybody took noticed!! according to many posters on BOL, he is rarely wrong. bottom line, with that said and Earl's background on stuff like this, its a matter of when NOT if Camgate and auburn will face the music...:rolleye2:

I've heard rumors W&L is Mal Moore. He certainly has the inside scoop on a lot of things, seems possible.

 

[Crimson Cat]

I've heard rumors W&L is Mal Moore. He certainly has the inside scoop on a lot of things, seems possible.

No...I think that is bad info...

 

[Bama 13-0]

It does not make me smile. I hate it for them, and I hate it for the SEC.

I agree completely. This stuff makes the entire state of Alabama, and the SEC look bad. If much of this stuff turns out to be true, it will not be a good thing for Alabama football. Whether I like my neighbor or not, I do not relish the thought of his house burning down.

 

[TidefaninOS]

I've heard rumors W&L is Mal Moore. He certainly has the inside scoop on a lot of things, seems possible.

IIRC, Earle gave his name on the Mega-Thread - don't remember the name, but I think he's an attorney in Montgomery.

 

[GulfCoastTider]

And remember - the FBI does not snoop around NCAA investigations for PFP practices. They would only be there for something tangential or something related to gambling.

Extortion, money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud, human trafficking and conspiracy are all on the table.

 

[bamacon]

Extortion, money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud, human trafficking and conspiracy are all on the table.

I think we will see the All of the Above choice circled on this exam.

 

[Elefantman]

That said, I agree with those that say that Auburn will never sit Cam out. How many times when a perp gets cornered in a shootout with the cops does he throw down his gun and walk out with his hands up? You might as well go out in a blaze of glory. Auburn is going to ride the Newton train as far as they can, even if it is heading straight over a cliff.

Your comment made me think of this image.

could this be Milton McGregor and Bobby Lowder?

 

[bamaman07]

Has anyone heard anything about Cam's uncle in Detroit who could have been the front for money ? It's just something I've heard on other boards. This situation will probably go on for a while. The FBI being involved is key. That to me means it's serious for the barn.

 

[IBUY]

Understand according to reliable information sources on the site (Earle and Bamabelle) that the uncle in Detroit probably is the key to the possible "money trail."

 

[deltatider]

This could all be covered up. That used to happen in the day before message boards and bloggers. Hopefully, with the work of Tuna and TD.com and BOL, among others, the heat can be turned up so that people cannot look the other way.

That's why I posted it here. Spread it around. There is a pdf file that has been created for this as well. Here it is:

H/T to blueTunaTiger and the investigative reporters of the SEC Rant on TD - As The Plains Burn.pdf on FileSocial

Pass it around. Send it to reporters. I'm going to email it to Scott Van Pelt at ESPN. He reads TD.com regularly.

Turn the heat up.

LSU21FAN, I like your style big guy!!!!!!!!

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Thanks for that link to the downloadable pdf. My middle-aged eyes need the larger text so I can read it over and over again without getting eyestrain. :biggrin:

You can't be middle-aged because of what that makes me...