Link: Aubarn whines about "hideout" trick play to the SEC

[selmaborntidefan]

 

[colbysullivan]

Actually, I thought the runner had regained the ball when his rear end made contact, then lost it again on contact with the ground. I too, thought he was down by contact.

That's what happened. The ball started to come loose, and then he regained control before hitting the ground and then the ball came out. So yeah, technically they got the review wrong. They should have awarded OU with the yardage from the play.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Texas 8&4 is going to get them this weekend.

yep, they will obsess over this call so much that 8&4 will slaughter them. Don't be surprised if it is not mentioned by coach burner phone again

 

[bamaee04]

Printing up the "Honk if You've Sacked Jackson Arnold Today" bumper stickers as we speak...giving up the 10-sacks is why they ultimately lost the game. You seriously can't expect to win a football game against a decent team when you allow that to stop so many drives.

 

[AlistarWills]

Anyone know how to get access to an All-22 film? That would absolutely show the deception of the play. OU claims the guy signaled to the ref his position. Last I saw him on what film I saw, he was walking at an angle to the sideline and away from the LoS. And no one was set.

 

[colbysullivan]

Anyone know how to get access to an All-22 film? That would absolutely show the deception of the play. OU claims the guy signaled to the ref his position. Last I saw him on what film I saw, he was walking at an angle to the sideline and away from the LoS. And no one was set.

That is irrelevant. The rule stipulates that you can't intentionally confuse the defense via the substitution system, which is exactly what they did.

 

[AlexanderFan]

That is irrelevant. The rule stipulates that you can't intentionally confuse the defense via the substitution system, which is exactly what they did.

It’s pretty awesome considering freeze would run go routes, have those guys get off the field forty yards from LOS, trot fresh guys out and snap the ball before the defense was back.

Such is the genius of the HUNH offense : counts on ineptitude, and SEC refs are prime targets.

 

[CB4]

It’s pretty awesome considering freeze would run go routes, have those guys get off the field forty yards from LOS, trot fresh guys out and snap the ball before the defense was back.

Such is the genius of the HUNH offense : counts on ineptitude, and SEC refs are prime targets.

Heupel does the same thing at Tennessee

 

[colbysullivan]

It’s pretty awesome considering freeze would run go routes, have those guys get off the field forty yards from LOS, trot fresh guys out and snap the ball before the defense was back.

Such is the genius of the HUNH offense : counts on ineptitude, and SEC refs are prime targets.

Yeah, luckily the gimmick doesn't work very much anymore because of recent changes.

 

[CB4]

Listening to JOX here in B’ham.Couple of things on the hideout play OU ran.

First -the OU radio crew had Stoops on during the broadcast. He’s at most every practice.

The setup: the previous play, they run a play with the hideout receiver running motion to that side. The receiver (Burke) on the opposite side runs a route into the secondary. When the play ends, he immediately starts talking trash and “woofing” at the Auburn DBs to draw their attention away from the player heading to the OU sideline. The AU DB’s were so caught up woofing with Burke, when OU went up tempo and snapped the ball, no one has covering him because no one was paying attention. It was a combination of an illegal deceptive play in combination of AU DBs too busy yapping as well. Regardless it WAS illegal and should have been a 15 yards unsportsmanlike conduct.

Now the OU staff is saying they told the crew what they were going to do, the setup, etc and we’re told it was legal.

The question I wish someone would ask: do officials scout the teams in the games they are working? If not, they should. Reputation precedes coaches. Venables is known for “grab and hold” DB’s when in man coverage, in order for his pressure packages to get home to the QB. He did at Clemson. Offensively Clemson was known for illegal pick plays. We know that all too well. They did the same Saturday with OU receivers against Auburn with two OPI’s called. Same holds true for Freeze, Malzahn, Heupel etc, in terms of operating on the edges when it comes to rules. Officials should know the tendencies of the coaches in their games just as coaches should the tendencies of the coaches and teams they play each week.

Bottom line is this crew is in deep crap.

 

[AlistarWills]

That is irrelevant. The rule stipulates that you can't intentionally confuse the defense via the substitution system, which is exactly what they did.

I’m not arguing for it. I’m repeating what I read they said. Indicating he got set on the field of play. I want to see that he stopped and got set and signaled.

 

[AlistarWills]

Listening to JOX here in B’ham.Couple of things on the hideout play OU ran.

First -the OU radio crew had Stoops on during the broadcast. He’s at most every practice.

The setup: the previous play, they run a play with the hideout receiver running motion to that side. The receiver (Burke) on the opposite side runs a route into the secondary. When the play ends, he immediately starts talking trash and “woofing” at the Auburn DBs to draw their attention away from the player heading to the OU sideline. The AU DB’s were so caught up woofing with Burke, when OU went up tempo and snapped the ball, no one has covering him because no one was paying attention. It was a combination of an illegal deceptive play in combination of AU DBs too busy yapping as well. Regardless it WAS illegal and should have a 15 yards unsportsmanlike conduct.

Now the OU staff is saying they told the crew what they were going to do, the setup, etc and we’re told it was legal.

The question wish someone would ask: do officials scout the teams in the games they are working? If not, they should. Reputation precedes coaches. Venables is know for “grab and hold” DB’s when in man coverage, in order to all his pressure packages to get home to the QB. He did at Clemson. Offensively Clemson was know for illegal pick plays. They did the same Saturday with OU receivers against Auburn with two OPI’s called. Same holds true for Freeze, Malzahn, Heupel etc, in terms of operating on the edges when it comes to rules. Their reputation precedes them. Officials should know the tendencies of the coaches in their games just as coaches should the tendencies of the coaches and teams they play each week.

Bottom line is this crew is in deep crap.

Do opposing coaches not point this stuff out to the refs pregame? Like “hey they are bad to grab wr’s on blitz packages from our film study, look for it”. Seems I recall Bryant did that. Even once suggested to the officials his QB was gimpy and would hate to see him get hurt and the refs ended up basically protecting the QB during the game.

 

[jjv0004]

I can't stand Auburn but that is pure garbage. I hope we pound Oklahoma and Venables.

 

[colbysullivan]

Listening to JOX here in B’ham.Couple of things on the hideout play OU ran.

First -the OU radio crew had Stoops on during the broadcast. He’s at most every practice.

The setup: the previous play, they run a play with the hideout receiver running motion to that side. The receiver (Burke) on the opposite side runs a route into the secondary. When the play ends, he immediately starts talking trash and “woofing” at the Auburn DBs to draw their attention away from the player heading to the OU sideline. The AU DB’s were so caught up woofing with Burke, when OU went up tempo and snapped the ball, no one has covering him because no one was paying attention. It was a combination of an illegal deceptive play in combination of AU DBs too busy yapping as well. Regardless it WAS illegal and should have been a 15 yards unsportsmanlike conduct.

Now the OU staff is saying they told the crew what they were going to do, the setup, etc and we’re told it was legal.

The question I wish someone would ask: do officials scout the teams in the games they are working? If not, they should. Reputation precedes coaches. Venables is known for “grab and hold” DB’s when in man coverage, in order for his pressure packages to get home to the QB. He did at Clemson. Offensively Clemson was known for illegal pick plays. We know that all too well. They did the same Saturday with OU receivers against Auburn with two OPI’s called. Same holds true for Freeze, Malzahn, Heupel etc, in terms of operating on the edges when it comes to rules. Officials should know the tendencies of the coaches in their games just as coaches should the tendencies of the coaches and teams they play each week.

Bottom line is this crew is in deep crap.

It's wild that the officials blatantly admitted to not knowing the rule...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Auburn never deceives, never cheats, never pulls trick plays.....oh wait.....

Auburn and Gus Malzahn faking injury

 

[colbysullivan]

I can't stand Auburn but that is pure garbage. I hope we pound Oklahoma and Venables.

This is the same guy that stole team's signals all the time and used it to his advantage. Venables has always been bush league.

 

[bravo6]

Not if it stops it from happening in other games.

I get it's a rule, but is it really that serious?

 

[bravo6]

Listening to JOX here in B’ham.Couple of things on the hideout play OU ran.

First -the OU radio crew had Stoops on during the broadcast. He’s at most every practice.

The setup: the previous play, they run a play with the hideout receiver running motion to that side. The receiver (Burke) on the opposite side runs a route into the secondary. When the play ends, he immediately starts talking trash and “woofing” at the Auburn DBs to draw their attention away from the player heading to the OU sideline. The AU DB’s were so caught up woofing with Burke, when OU went up tempo and snapped the ball, no one has covering him because no one was paying attention. It was a combination of an illegal deceptive play in combination of AU DBs too busy yapping as well. Regardless it WAS illegal and should have been a 15 yards unsportsmanlike conduct.

Now the OU staff is saying they told the crew what they were going to do, the setup, etc and we’re told it was legal.

The question I wish someone would ask: do officials scout the teams in the games they are working? If not, they should. Reputation precedes coaches. Venables is known for “grab and hold” DB’s when in man coverage, in order for his pressure packages to get home to the QB. He did at Clemson. Offensively Clemson was known for illegal pick plays. We know that all too well. They did the same Saturday with OU receivers against Auburn with two OPI’s called. Same holds true for Freeze, Malzahn, Heupel etc, in terms of operating on the edges when it comes to rules. Officials should know the tendencies of the coaches in their games just as coaches should the tendencies of the coaches and teams they play each week.

Bottom line is this crew is in deep crap.

Why would the crew be in "deep crap" over one blown call?

Why would referees scout teams they are officiating? They have full time jobs, and the rules are the rules, regardless of what one team may or may not do.

 

[CB4]

Do opposing coaches not point this stuff out to the refs pregame? Like “hey they are bad to grab wr’s on blitz packages from our film study, look for it”. Seems I recall Bryant did that. Even once suggested to the officials his QB was gimpy and would hate to see him get hurt and the refs ended up basically protecting the QB during the game.

You’re probably correct about that. But it wouldn’t be a bad idea for the conferences to mandate reviews of past history of teams in the games they are working. It MIGHT give coaches like Venables, Heupel, Freeze, etc “pause” from doing some of the crap they pull.

One thing I learned just this weekend concerning our game against OU last year in Norman. A friend in attendance told me on the TD catch by Williams that was overturned because he was deemed ineligible because he was “covered” by another receiver (he wasn’t), the OU staff was screaming at the officials about him being “covered” and THAT influenced his call. As you recall, the flag wasn’t dropped immediately which SHOULD happen if it is formation/covered receiver situation. Williams was well downfield before that happened and that was due the official listening to OU sideline.

 

[colbysullivan]

Why would the crew be in "deep crap" over one blown call?

Why would referees scout teams they are officiating? They have full time jobs, and the rules are the rules, regardless of what one team may or may not do.

Because they clearly let a team score a TD on an illegal play that’s super easy to see?