Link: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen

[cbi1972]

This is the same false accusation of hypocrisy leveled against Ron Paul for requesting earmarks in a bill he then proceeded to vote against.

 

[92tide]

I'm not an objectivist. I just hate silly, baseless criticisms. I find parts of Ann Rand's philosophy to be very attractive and I don't think it is hypocritical to want my money back from social security. My principles regarding social security fall squarely behind my chief principle of it's my money now get your damn hands off of it.

this may help

 

[It's On A Slab]

Fortunately, there's a singles site for you two. Just FYI before one of y'all breaks out the massage oils.


Artifact - Personal Ads From an Ayn Rand Fan Dating Site -- New York Magazine

Outstanding! You gotta believe that lostpainting gets all the Warcraft chicks.

 

[jps1983]

Nate, you do realize that there is a difference betwen society's producers getting some of their own money back and society's parasites getting a lot of other people's money, right? You intentionally not seeing the difference is ridiculous.

Yep, Nate is still failing to distinguish those "eligible" to receive only a partial return on their "investment" to the gov't and the parasites that you, I, and Rand recognize who are "expecting" to receive money from the gov't as "entitlements" without ever contributing.

 

[It's On A Slab]

 

[It's On A Slab]

 

[92tide]

you, I, and Rand

dude, i have to say, that is some elite company there. i've learned to embrace my inherent parasitia, it's quite enjoyable now that i've convinced myself that my self awareness makes me infinitely superior to everyone else. and i didn't even have to waste $19.99 on a poorly written piece of science fiction to come to that conclusion

 

[Bodhisattva]

(cartoon-level criticism)

Is there a point to any of this? No satire. No comedic barbs. Nothing. Just a stupid, non sequitur cartoon? Really sad effort. :rolleye2:

 

[It's On A Slab]

dude, i have to say, that is some elite company there. i've learned to embrace my inherent parasitia, it's quite enjoyable now that i've convinced myself that my self awareness makes me infinitely superior to everyone else. and i didn't even have to waste $19.99 on a poorly written piece of science fiction to come to that conclusion

I think it was more like : you, I, and L. Ron Hubbard.

 

[gmart74]

don't......feed........trolls..........

 

[92tide]

I like how Nate makes arguments. I often consider adding the rest of you to an ignore list, but your empty cynicism serve to reaffirm my own beliefs. So much better than just listening to people who agree with me and a lot less taxing than confronting those in opposition who actually, you know, have points backed by something other than sarcasm.

just remember, you are awesome

[note: i would post the picture of Jesus pointing, saying "you are awesome", but objectivism denies the existence of a deity, so that would just be blatant cynicism on my part ]

 

[92tide]

just to tax BiB

linkorama

Something of this implication is fixed in the book’s dictatorial tone, which is much its most striking feature. Out of a lifetime of reading, I can recall no other book in which a tone of overriding arrogance was so implacably sustained. Its shrillness is without reprieve. Its dogmatism is without appeal. In addition, the mind which finds this tone natural to it shares other characteristics of its type. 1) It consistently mistakes raw force for strength, and the rawer the force, the more reverent the posture of the mind before it. 2) It supposes itself to be the bringer of a final revelation. Therefore, resistance to the Message cannot be tolerated because disagreement can never be merely honest, prudent, or just humanly fallible. Dissent from revelation so final (because, the author would say, so reasonable) can only be willfully wicked. There are ways of dealing with such wickedness, and, in fact, right reason itself enjoins them. From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: “To a gas chamber — go!” The same inflexibly self-righteous stance results, too (in the total absence of any saving humor), in odd extravagances of inflection and gesture — that Dollar Sign, for example. At first, we try to tell ourselves that these are just lapses, that this mind has, somehow, mislaid the discriminating knack that most of us pray will warn us in time of the difference between what is effective and firm, and what is wildly grotesque and excessive. Soon we suspect something worse. We suspect that this mind finds, precisely in extravagance, some exalting merit; feels a surging release of power and passion precisely in smashing up the house. A tornado might feel this way, or Carrie Nation.

 

[Nate Harris]

Nate, you do realize that there is a difference betwen society's producers getting some of their own money back and society's parasites getting a lot of other people's money, right? You intentionally not seeing the difference is ridiculous.

Look, I got that whole spiel from the start. My argument is based on pragmatism. The real point is that if so-called "opponents" of socialism demand their right to their cut then we will never, ever get rid of any of it. That goes for Obamacare too. I'm hardly first person in the world to make this argument. Don't pretend like you've never heard it before. When we get to the point that conservatives demand their right to socialist benefits then socialism will grow and grow forever.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Look, I got that whole spiel from the start. My argument is based on pragmatism. The real point is that if so-called "opponents" of socialism demand their right to their cut then we will never, ever get rid of any of it. That goes for Obamacare too. I'm hardly first person in the world to make this argument. Don't pretend like you've never heard it before. When we get to the point that conservatives demand their right to socialist benefits then socialism will grow and grow forever.

Your argument is based on non sequiturs.

One, I'm not a conservative.

Two, if I tell the government to keep my taxes and don't give me SS what will that do? Will the government suddenly get smart and change their Ponzi scheme? Will they decide that it is immoral to keep taxing me for something I don't want? No. What's the point of being a financial martyr here? That's just dumb.

Three, I won't get any faux benefits from Obamacare. I don't want it; I don't need it. My only participation in this garbage is that I have to pay higher taxes to give some slug free or subsidized care. My forced participation is not an endorsement. Just as the fact that I had lunch today is not an endorsement of stupid agriculture subsidies.

 

[PacadermaTideUs]

Bodhi, he knows all of this.

 

[gmart74]

just to tax BiB

linkorama

Something of this implication is fixed in the book’s dictatorial tone, which is much its most striking feature. Out of a lifetime of reading, I can recall no other book in which a tone of overriding arrogance was so implacably sustained. Its shrillness is without reprieve. Its dogmatism is without appeal. In addition, the mind which finds this tone natural to it shares other characteristics of its type. 1) It consistently mistakes raw force for strength, and the rawer the force, the more reverent the posture of the mind before it. 2) It supposes itself to be the bringer of a final revelation. Therefore, resistance to the Message cannot be tolerated because disagreement can never be merely honest, prudent, or just humanly fallible. Dissent from revelation so final (because, the author would say, so reasonable) can only be willfully wicked. There are ways of dealing with such wickedness, and, in fact, right reason itself enjoins them. From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: “To a gas chamber — go!” The same inflexibly self-righteous stance results, too (in the total absence of any saving humor), in odd extravagances of inflection and gesture — that Dollar Sign, for example. At first, we try to tell ourselves that these are just lapses, that this mind has, somehow, mislaid the discriminating knack that most of us pray will warn us in time of the difference between what is effective and firm, and what is wildly grotesque and excessive. Soon we suspect something worse. We suspect that this mind finds, precisely in extravagance, some exalting merit; feels a surging release of power and passion precisely in smashing up the house. A tornado might feel this way, or Carrie Nation.

wow, for a sec i thought it was a review of "an inconvenient truth" by goracle manbearpig

 

[92tide]

wow, for a sec i thought it was a review of "an inconvenient truth" by goracle manbearpig

nah, this was written when his manbearpigness was merely a 10 year old boycubpiglett