Bama Belles are no longer a part of the Capstone
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worst news I've heard all day.
The belles were some of the most beautiful women on campus. My friend was a belle and I can't tell you how many times I've wished I was a 5 star recruit. I believe the NCAA gone to far with this one. athletes bring in millions for their schools and the NCAA let the NCAA wants to pretend that they're just like every other student. Ridiculous.
The belles were some of the most beautiful women on campus. My friend was a belle and I can't tell you how many times I've wished I was a 5 star recruit. I believe the NCAA gone to far with this one. athletes bring in millions for their schools and the NCAA let the NCAA wants to pretend that they're just like every other student. Ridiculous.
THE NCAA SUCKS!!!!!!! But what's new? I bet we will find a way around it. Makes you wonder just how many relationships were spawned from the Bell's. 
I didn't by no means what so ever mean to Imply that Bama's Belle's were or have ever been hookers as you know I didn't. But when you meet a Bama gal how could you not be swayed? There has actually been marriages born from exactly this situation. I love BAMA BELLE'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smile:Albertville Guy said:
I believe we should direct air strikes toward the NCAA in Indiannapolis! I may be going overboard here but Im tired of their crap! :BigA:
No more cash gifts, no more private jets, no more strippers, no more hookers, and now no more pretty women to accompany them around campus. What are you supposed to use to recruit athletes? Tea and cookies and a tour of the library? Pretty soon the NCAA is going to make it so that athletes will not get treated any differently than any other prospective student visiting campus.
Then again, maybe that's the idea.
The underlying problem here is money. It really is the root of all evil. The NCAA wants to pretend that these guys are just students who happen to have a talent that adds to the diversity on campus. They are supposed to be no different than say Sarah Hughes, the Olympic gold medalist figure skater who is currently enrolled at Yale. But of course they are different - many are not capable of handling the academic work, even with a lot of help, and cannot be considered students in any academic sense of the word. They are enrolled to play football and thereby bring in cash to the university. The fairest thing would be to admit that they are not students in any real sense of the word, but just the basis of a really lucerative cash cow for the university. But to admit this would to be acknowledge that they were essentially employees. And employees GET PAID. The university administrators do not want that. They want to keep all of the cash in their own sweaty little palms. And so you end up with the NCAA trying desparately to maintain the appearance of the "student athlete" to conceal the ugly truth that lies just under the surface.
I say treat them like what they really are - employees. Pay them what they are worth. Admit the the myth of the "student athlete" is a cover for corrupt system. And dissolve the NCAA.
Then again, maybe that's the idea.
The underlying problem here is money. It really is the root of all evil. The NCAA wants to pretend that these guys are just students who happen to have a talent that adds to the diversity on campus. They are supposed to be no different than say Sarah Hughes, the Olympic gold medalist figure skater who is currently enrolled at Yale. But of course they are different - many are not capable of handling the academic work, even with a lot of help, and cannot be considered students in any academic sense of the word. They are enrolled to play football and thereby bring in cash to the university. The fairest thing would be to admit that they are not students in any real sense of the word, but just the basis of a really lucerative cash cow for the university. But to admit this would to be acknowledge that they were essentially employees. And employees GET PAID. The university administrators do not want that. They want to keep all of the cash in their own sweaty little palms. And so you end up with the NCAA trying desparately to maintain the appearance of the "student athlete" to conceal the ugly truth that lies just under the surface.
I say treat them like what they really are - employees. Pay them what they are worth. Admit the the myth of the "student athlete" is a cover for corrupt system. And dissolve the NCAA.
So, if the NCAA really want these athletes to be
considered the same as every other student, why couldn't Lo Washington take his English class in summer school and then come in for the fall? Instead he is at Hargreaves for a year. Obviously, athletes are treated the same as all other students!
considered the same as every other student, why couldn't Lo Washington take his English class in summer school and then come in for the fall? Instead he is at Hargreaves for a year. Obviously, athletes are treated the same as all other students!
I am still trying to figure out just how the NCAA can
tell a University that a private group that IS NOT PART of the athletic department can't exist? If the NCAA wants to tell an athletic department that it can't have female students show the football recruits around I'd like to know how they can do that? If a University has a group of student (any group) to show prospective students around then they can't control the fact that they offer the same service to prospective student/athletes.
The measuring stick must be that everyone is offered the service, which they are! If I were the University, I'd tell the NCAA to challenge them in court! The NCAA would fold like a cheap deck of cards, as there is no basis for telling a University how they choose to simply give tours to their prospective students or student/athletes.
tell a University that a private group that IS NOT PART of the athletic department can't exist? If the NCAA wants to tell an athletic department that it can't have female students show the football recruits around I'd like to know how they can do that? If a University has a group of student (any group) to show prospective students around then they can't control the fact that they offer the same service to prospective student/athletes.
The measuring stick must be that everyone is offered the service, which they are! If I were the University, I'd tell the NCAA to challenge them in court! The NCAA would fold like a cheap deck of cards, as there is no basis for telling a University how they choose to simply give tours to their prospective students or student/athletes.
Here is a letter I just wrote to Coach Moore.
Coach Moore:
In an effort to try to remain calm during this email I will begin by saying that I completely understand the need of the University to not "rock-the-boat" so-to-speak with the NCAA. However, for the University of Alabama to dismantle the Bama Belle's is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. It is a tradition that has been a part of the University for too many years to count.
Just because the NCAA can mandate how a recruit is treated when on campus has no bearing on the fact that a recruit is allowed to be escorted around campus just as any other prospective student. Therefore, if you simply increase the number of Bama Belle's and use the Crimson Men to the mix, the dismantling of this dedicated group of students would be unnecessary.
The NCAA has once again overstepped its bounds by telling a University how it can and can not give tours to prospective students. Just because a prospective student might also be an athlete has no bearing on the situation as long as they are not given any tours not offered to any other prospective student. Also, it is more than just a bit against the law for the University or NCAA to say that ONLY women are disallowed from giving prospective students or student/athletes tours. And if you choose to agree with them, must also stop allowing a male student to give tours. It is called gender equality and I'm sure you're aware that the law is very clear on gender biased issues.
This is the most ridiculous thing the NCAA has done to date and as you are well aware...that is seriously saying something! It is time that the University of Alabama stand up and take a stance against some of the most over bearing things done to date by the NCAA. They are quickly governing every member institution and not just the Athletics of that institution. The last time I checked the NCAA has no governing authority over a University and that there reach extends NO FURTHER than the Athletic department of the 117 member institutions! If that has changed, I would appreciate reading those changes in the by-laws of both the member institutions and the NCAA.
Thank you and ROLL TIDE!
Coach Moore:
In an effort to try to remain calm during this email I will begin by saying that I completely understand the need of the University to not "rock-the-boat" so-to-speak with the NCAA. However, for the University of Alabama to dismantle the Bama Belle's is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. It is a tradition that has been a part of the University for too many years to count.
Just because the NCAA can mandate how a recruit is treated when on campus has no bearing on the fact that a recruit is allowed to be escorted around campus just as any other prospective student. Therefore, if you simply increase the number of Bama Belle's and use the Crimson Men to the mix, the dismantling of this dedicated group of students would be unnecessary.
The NCAA has once again overstepped its bounds by telling a University how it can and can not give tours to prospective students. Just because a prospective student might also be an athlete has no bearing on the situation as long as they are not given any tours not offered to any other prospective student. Also, it is more than just a bit against the law for the University or NCAA to say that ONLY women are disallowed from giving prospective students or student/athletes tours. And if you choose to agree with them, must also stop allowing a male student to give tours. It is called gender equality and I'm sure you're aware that the law is very clear on gender biased issues.
This is the most ridiculous thing the NCAA has done to date and as you are well aware...that is seriously saying something! It is time that the University of Alabama stand up and take a stance against some of the most over bearing things done to date by the NCAA. They are quickly governing every member institution and not just the Athletics of that institution. The last time I checked the NCAA has no governing authority over a University and that there reach extends NO FURTHER than the Athletic department of the 117 member institutions! If that has changed, I would appreciate reading those changes in the by-laws of both the member institutions and the NCAA.
Thank you and ROLL TIDE!
The dismantling of the Bama Belles is unfortunate but has been coming for a long time. Several athletic departments at major universities have discovered that their athletic hostesses were giving out extra benefits to prospective and current athletes. Most notable among these universities is Colorado. The NCAA saw the problems at these offending universities as deeply concerning and acted to eliminate these extra benefits.
In the case of the Bama Belles, I have no idea if any extra benefits were provided to recruits by these female hostesses. It is unfortunate if they are being punished for the actions of hostesses at other schools.
As for this notion that recruits will no longer see attractive females at the University of Alabama, people need to wake up. Will the former Bama Belles transfer? No. Will these females still be at UA? Yes. Are there plenty of attractive females, who are not Bama Belles, at UA? Yes. Attractive females will still be plentiful. No need to worry. Quite frankly, if the amount of attractive females present at a university is one of the top criteria for a prospective athlete in selecting a school, then the University of Alabama does not need a student athlete who is more focused on girls, than his education and sport.
The Bama Belles will be missed, but the University and the athletic department will survive.
In the case of the Bama Belles, I have no idea if any extra benefits were provided to recruits by these female hostesses. It is unfortunate if they are being punished for the actions of hostesses at other schools.
As for this notion that recruits will no longer see attractive females at the University of Alabama, people need to wake up. Will the former Bama Belles transfer? No. Will these females still be at UA? Yes. Are there plenty of attractive females, who are not Bama Belles, at UA? Yes. Attractive females will still be plentiful. No need to worry. Quite frankly, if the amount of attractive females present at a university is one of the top criteria for a prospective athlete in selecting a school, then the University of Alabama does not need a student athlete who is more focused on girls, than his education and sport.
The Bama Belles will be missed, but the University and the athletic department will survive.
You are missing the point. This isn't and hasn't been about pretty girls...anybody who truly would pick a college based upon a 2 day visit and their opinion of the girls in that timeframe isn't the brightest bulb in the pack. This is about the NCAA overstepping their bounds! This is about the NCAA mandating who can and can not give tours to prospective students...regardless of whether or not they are athletes. This is also a gender issue and my bet is that somebody's father will be a lawyer and take the NCAA to task on this. If I were a lawyer I would! In effect the NCAA is going to allow males to show these guys around but not females. That is against the law.TideRoller said:
Well, for starters...
the Bible really says that the LOVE of money is the root of all evil - not the money itself. It's really a very important distinction. Think about it. As far as discrimination is concerned, by definition, there must be a class which is discriminated on behalf of... IOW, unless we now set up an "Bama Beaux" cadre of guys to entertain the recruits, I think we're safe.
the Bible really says that the LOVE of money is the root of all evil - not the money itself. It's really a very important distinction. Think about it. As far as discrimination is concerned, by definition, there must be a class which is discriminated on behalf of... IOW, unless we now set up an "Bama Beaux" cadre of guys to entertain the recruits, I think we're safe.
imo, this is the bottom line. the truth is that schools, boosters, fans, students, alumini, etc can and do use every possible tactic to sway recruits without regard for the consequences. if they can stay on the right side of legal (both with the law and NCAA) then they do. if they cant or if they need to cross that line they do. from players to coaches to fans, we often act like children in the sense that if it wasnt expressedly forbidden, then we'll just assume its ok.UA90 said:
obviously, some are worse than others....but all members suffer for the mistakes of the corrupt. thats just how it is.
i would like to see student athletes get some extra benefits but not much to be honest. they already get a free ride, free tutors, and other perks that regular students dont get. yes, they do they make alot of money for the schools/NCAA, but that isnt just "extra money" sittng around. it pays for the other sports budgets and those athletes free rides as well other improvements across the campus.
and lets face it....these kids arent exactly suckered into slavery. often times this is the only way they could even enter college, much less pay for it since athletes often have lower entrance requirements.
college athletes do alot for their schools and their communities, but they get alot as well. so what if they dont get a hot chick to escort them around.
excellent points
You are missing the point. This isn't and hasn't been about pretty girls...anybody who truly would pick a college based upon a 2 day visit and their opinion of the girls in that timeframe isn't the brightest bulb in the pack. This is about the NCAA overstepping their bounds! This is about the NCAA mandating who can and can not give tours to prospective students...regardless of whether or not they are athletes. This is also a gender issue and my bet is that somebody's father will be a lawyer and take the NCAA to task on this. If I were a lawyer I would! In effect the NCAA is going to allow males to show these guys around but not females. That is against the law.
you just nailed it friend. I would love to see a lawyer take the NCAA to task on this one.
You are missing the point. This isn't and hasn't been about pretty girls...anybody who truly would pick a college based upon a 2 day visit and their opinion of the girls in that timeframe isn't the brightest bulb in the pack. This is about the NCAA overstepping their bounds! This is about the NCAA mandating who can and can not give tours to prospective students...regardless of whether or not they are athletes. This is also a gender issue and my bet is that somebody's father will be a lawyer and take the NCAA to task on this. If I were a lawyer I would! In effect the NCAA is going to allow males to show these guys around but not females. That is against the law.
you just nailed it friend. I would love to see a lawyer take the NCAA to task on this one.
Trust me...
There is no legal gender issue here. If there's one thing that seems to be settled at the moment, by the US Supreme Court, it is that the NCAA is not a "state actor," which means like an arm of government. It is a voluntary organization. We became members of our own free will and the University is removing the Belles voluntarily. If the Belles had a suit at all, and they don't, it would have to be against the University...
There is no legal gender issue here. If there's one thing that seems to be settled at the moment, by the US Supreme Court, it is that the NCAA is not a "state actor," which means like an arm of government. It is a voluntary organization. We became members of our own free will and the University is removing the Belles voluntarily. If the Belles had a suit at all, and they don't, it would have to be against the University...
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