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[rgw]

I keep reading about renovation, but have any of you seen Duke's facility from the inside? I personally think Coleman is nicer on the inside than Duke's but I don't attend a lot of basketball games.

duke doesn't have to sell 'croots on the environment and facilities. they are a near pinnacle of the blueblood pecking order.

 

[Moro Creek]

UF renovated their BB coliseum instead of building a new one and it turned out to be a very nice. I'm sure they saved a large amount of money. From what I'm told, it does not even look like the old facility since the changes. If the bones are good, an upgrade to Coleman could be done and you would think it was a new building.

 

[dayhiker]

I think most of it will be re-working seats for better use. Too many seats for a contemporary college basketball program. And me being 6'4 ... here's hoping the make the seats bigger and maximize on the space for comfort.

My wife is 5'-0" and hates going to games because of the lack of knee room. I can't imagine how it feels for someone your height.

 

[AlexanderFan]

This question isn't really directed at you, but in the renovate/new conversation in general. Football stadiums get renovated and changed over their whole lives. They are totally exposed to the elements and get used much less than a basketball arena. Why is the perception that a renovation of a basketball arena indicates a lowered commitment to the sport whereas a renovation of a football stadium indicates a higher commitment to the sport? Maybe it's because I design buildings for a living, but I don't perceive a quality renovation of a building as necessarily, "less than." Sometimes new is better, but that isn't always the case.

I think it has to do with the age of the building and the idea that a totally new facility would indicate movement in a new direction and a more successful future. Most of the modifications to BDS have been pretty radical, I’m not sure Coleman could withstand that. There’s also a huge history at BDS, the likes of which Coleman has never witnessed, even in gymnastics.


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[dayhiker]

I think it has to do with the age of the building and the idea that a totally new facility would indicate movement in a new direction and a more successful future. Most of the modifications to BDS have been pretty radical, I’m not sure Coleman could withstand that. There’s also a huge history at BDS, the likes of which Coleman has never witnessed, even in gymnastics.


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That's sort of the point I was going towards. Most football stadiums are older and have been added onto/renovated many more times than basketball. I'm not talking solely about UA. Yet, the perception of one is a negative and the other a positive.

The issues at hand about what can and can't be done on something like this are generally pretty technical. Architects are creative people. I love working with them. If a renovation is what's dictated financially, I'm sure given an adequate budget, the architects could come up with some solutions that would amaze yall.

The conversation should probably be about will there be enough budget given to solve the problem. That seems more important than new/renovate. A wonderful renovation job can certainly convey commitment. I'm only saying all of this because so many seem to be saying that anything less than a tear down indicates a lack of commitment.

 

[BamaMoon]

This question isn't really directed at you, but in the renovate/new conversation in general. Football stadiums get renovated and changed over their whole lives. They are totally exposed to the elements and get used much less than a basketball arena. Why is the perception that a renovation of a basketball arena indicates a lowered commitment to the sport whereas a renovation of a football stadium indicates a higher commitment to the sport? Maybe it's because I design buildings for a living, but I don't perceive a quality renovation of a building as necessarily, "less than." Sometimes new is better, but that isn't always the case.

You obviously know "design" better than most since you do that for a living, but "redesign" has to have something to work with first, right? I'm afraid that's the problem with Coleman. It's fundamentally flawed to be able to be redesigned for what I think we need for basketball.

I also think that plans for a fan lounge with coaches and chairs is off too. That's too relaxing near the court and not what our players need to see.

I keep reading about renovation, but have any of you seen Duke's facility from the inside? I personally think Coleman is nicer on the inside than Duke's but I don't attend a lot of basketball games.

But how close are those seats to the court? They are right on top of it. That's the fundamental flaw with CC and one I'm afraid redesign can't fix.

 

[ptw1961]

It was not. This has been in the works for awhile. This season began falling apart over 2 months ago and the AD was there to see it all.

Hard to believe that losing an NIT game is the difference in him coming back for another year or not, but the way our guys played against Norfolk State, the fact that Avery has eyes in his head and didn't do something to get their attention before or during the game, and the public comments that came out by the NSU players pretty much pushed him off the edge of the board as far as ever coaching a game at Alabama again.

I said yesterday morning that before the NIT I would have given him an 80% chance of returning, and that other 20% was pretty much just up to him, if he wanted to leave on his own. Yesterday morning I felt like the situation had flipped to where he only had a 20% chance of survival. And like everyone else, I like Avery Johnson as a person, but as a coach he had the opportunity to have avoided this kind of result. It's on him and no one else. If the players are so unnaccountable that they can play the way they did and not care about the consequences, well, SOMEONE has to be accountable when the team representing you looks the way they did the other day.

rtr

 

[Con]

I think most of it will be re-working seats for better use. Too many seats for a contemporary college basketball program. And me being 6'4 ... here's hoping the make the seats bigger and maximize on the space for comfort.

I can understand this then.

 

[Hoot30]

But how close are those seats to the court? They are right on top of it. That's the fundamental flaw with CC and one I'm afraid redesign can't fix.

But that is what the redesign will address. When you look at the renderings, the seating will be moved closer to be right on top of the court.

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[CB4]

I'm hoping Byrne has already developed a possible list of candidates ahead of time. I was hearing on JOX this morning that he's going to be handling the job search solo. i think he sees the success we can have with the program so I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for a home-run hire.

Suttles just stated as well that he understands that Byrne has been given permission by the PTB to make “that home run hire”. If that is the case, I know a couple of names I would like to hear that he at least made a phone call to gauge their interest.

 

[bamamick]

Good. Byrne is supposed to be connected and he should understand very well the kind of person that we need. Up to this point his two hires (that I know of) were bringing in Coach Bo, a bold move bringing in a recruiter from.....Auburn, and hiring ETSU's volleyball coach. Neither of these made anyone sit up and notice, though for all we know they both may wind up being great moves. But hiring a men's basketball coach is a different animal, and just hiring a young mid-major ain't going to get it.

rtr

 

[RTR91]

Good. Byrne is supposed to be connected and he should understand very well the kind of person that we need. Up to this point his two hires (that I know of) were bringing in Coach Bo, a bold move bringing in a recruiter from.....Auburn, and hiring ETSU's volleyball coach. Neither of these made anyone sit up and notice, though for all we know they both may wind up being great moves. But hiring a men's basketball coach is a different animal, and just hiring a young mid-major ain't going to get it.

rtr

Really? Bo was well respected as an assistant and is doing a pretty solid job in year two.


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[dayhiker]

You obviously know "design" better than most since you do that for a living, but "redesign" has to have something to work with first, right? I'm afraid that's the problem with Coleman. It's fundamentally flawed to be able to be redesigned for what I think we need for basketball.

I also think that plans for a fan lounge with coaches and chairs is off too. That's too relaxing near the court and not what our players need to see.



But how close are those seats to the court? They are right on top of it. That's the fundamental flaw with CC and one I'm afraid redesign can't fix.

No, not at all. Things get renovated all of the time to "fix," things that don't work, or to "fix," things that worked for a prior use, but no longer work for the way something is used now.

You don't know design, but you're saying a redesign can't fix what you think is the problem? Often, it can. Sometimes the fix in a renovated building is more costly than just building new, but that's not always the case...or even the case most of the time. People are saying what can and can't be done and they're not privy to the information needed to make those decisions. All I'm saying is that folks need to be more open minded about this.

I probably need to back out of this discussion.

 

[TideEngineer08]

No, not at all. Things get renovated all of the time to "fix," things that don't work, or to "fix," things that worked for a prior use, but no longer work for the way something is used now.

You don't know design, but you're saying a redesign can't fix what you think is the problem? Often, it can. Sometimes the fix in a renovated building is more costly than just building new, but that's not always the case...or even the case most of the time. People are saying what can and can't be done and they're not privy to the information needed to make those decisions. All I'm saying is that folks need to be more open minded about this.

I probably need to back out of this discussion.

I think the redesign can work and be a great thing. I just wish it was the first thing on the list of priorities, instead of Bryant-Denny. And I love football as much as the next Alabama fan.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Suttles just stated as well that he understands that Byrne has been given permission by the PTB to make “that home run hire”. If that is the case, I know a couple of names I would like to hear that he at least made a phone call to gauge their interest.

I'd much prefer to NOT go after the hot "mid major" guy -- that hasn't worked for us.....(see CAG). I also don't want someone who has been out of coaching for a while (see CAJ). I'd prefer we snag a program builder who send his team to the dance 9-10 years.....now, who is on that list?

 

[bamamick]

Really? Bo was well respected as an assistant and is doing a pretty solid job in year two.


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I have been happy with CBB, but if he made a similar hire for our basketball coach, a lifetime assistant with no head coaching experience at all, would people here be happy about it? SEC baseball is even tougher than SEC basketball, so it was a bit of a surprise to me that Bohannon was the man hired. But as I say, it's working out so far with a +9 last year and a good start to 2019. Byrne may come out looking like a true genius.

rtr

 

[Crimson1967]

I wonder if they have someone in mind to replace him or if they are just cutting ties and seeing what happens?

I would hope he at least had put together a list before yesterday.


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[B1GTide]

Throw the bank at Mark Few.

 

[BamaMoon]

No, not at all. Things get renovated all of the time to "fix," things that don't work, or to "fix," things that worked for a prior use, but no longer work for the way something is used now.

You don't know design, but you're saying a redesign can't fix what you think is the problem? Often, it can. Sometimes the fix in a renovated building is more costly than just building new, but that's not always the case...or even the case most of the time. People are saying what can and can't be done and they're not privy to the information needed to make those decisions. All I'm saying is that folks need to be more open minded about this.

I probably need to back out of this discussion.

I appreciate the info. The seating issue is one of the big fixes we need. I'm just having trouble getting on board with how fixing CC is the best solution for the long run.

 

[rgw]

That's sort of the point I was going towards. Most football stadiums are older and have been added onto/renovated many more times than basketball. I'm not talking solely about UA. Yet, the perception of one is a negative and the other a positive.

The issues at hand about what can and can't be done on something like this are generally pretty technical. Architects are creative people. I love working with them. If a renovation is what's dictated financially, I'm sure given an adequate budget, the architects could come up with some solutions that would amaze yall.

The conversation should probably be about will there be enough budget given to solve the problem. That seems more important than new/renovate. A wonderful renovation job can certainly convey commitment. I'm only saying all of this because so many seem to be saying that anything less than a tear down indicates a lack of commitment.

I guess I'm snakebitten because Coleman has been reno'd some in my lifetime and the core problems with the cavernous space and litany of bad seating areas have never been address in a truly corrective manner.