On this: " this is the same argument you tried to use to defend Nilroe when there were obvious issues with his performance, form, timing and execution in practices - you'd say almost exactly the same thing: "it's just practice"."
This is 100 percent wrong. I have never once said that. Many of posters on here know that I've defended and criticized Jalen AND THE TEAM. that's the difference. I pointed out the issues on the team.. not just Milroe. You used wrong argument to prove the point.
Bottom Line.. You and Porkchop agreed that there was bad apples on the list. I agreed with that.
You said It was massive exodus. I said it wasn't.
You said players left because of Jalen. I disagreed. It was more to the story than you shared.
You said Washington didn't bring anything to the table and you thought Haynes was a huge loss. I disagreed.
Thats it. You somehow just pulled my argument on jalen from the past into this conversation and it didn't make sense.
Bottom line: there was issues in the locker room. There was people who wasn't being held accountable for their behaviors. There were people who wouldn't do the right things on the field and off the field. now, There was few that was not happy with Jalen. Thats it.
It was a massive number of players that left. Some due to roster limits and being encouraged to find another spot, many for other reasons. Either way, regardless of reason it was a huge number. There is nothing untrue about that.
Players specifically said they were leaving b/c of the Nilroe situation. You might not like it, but it's true from multiple people with close connections to the team. Many of the bad attitudes originated from this specifically. I don't think most of them are "bad apples" at all and never said that. When someone is forced into a totally crappy situation and goes to the 'management' or coaches about it and feel like their concerns are not taken seriously or like they are blown off or told to just suck it up it can create a bad attitude but that's not a reflection of that person all the time.
I didn't say washington brought nothing to the table, I said he wasn't an upgrade over Haynes. I still believe that Haynes is probably a better back than washington, but I would be very happy to be proven wrong during the season.
It makes all the sense in the world because you were discounting what haynes did in practice and their spring game like that wasn't a valid data point because "it's just camp", or "it's just spring" or whatever, where I believe, after years of coaching multiple sports (all at lower levels than college to be fair) that while not a perfect indicator, that practice performance is the best indicator of game performance, at least until you get into games anyway. You might not think practice or scrimmage matters, but my experience tells me very different and we can just agree to disagree on that.
locker room issues - for sure. Where did those come from? How can coaches hold anyone accountable to anything when everyone on the team knows that no matter how badly certain players perform, they won't get pulled because of off the field stuff? Or when players are expressing concerns, as I mentioned above, but feel like they are being blown off.
