Bama's Triple Threat!!

Better check that math, bayou. 64 attempts for 427 yards is an average of 6.6 yards per carry for Auburn's combined stats. Alabama's 58 for 424 yards is 7.3 yards per carry. You can't average two averages and get the total average.

And if statistics don't lie, how's this one:

2003 SEC rushing leaders:

1) Shaud Williams - 1367 yards
2) Carnell Williams - 1239 yards
19) Ray Hudson - 490 yards
24) Ronnie Brown - 384 yards

Or what about this one:

2002 SEC rushing leaders:

5) Ronnie Brown - 1008 yards
7) Shaud Williams - 921 yards
8) Santonio Beard - 811 yards
11) Carnell Williams - 745 yards

So, why exactly am I supposed to be fawning all over Carnell Williams? Seriously. I know he's good, I'm not saying he's not. But you guys are bending over backwards to talk up a guy who's never led the SEC in rushing, who has never had a better year than our starting back, and who is still trailing our starting TB this year, despite Hudson's having to split time with 2 other backs, not just one.

I honestly don't get the fascination with Carnell. He's good, yes, but he's hardly ever showed statistically that he's any better than any of our backs.

The facts that are important to me are these:

Ray Hudson, Ken Darby, and Tim Castille provide us with a variable, adaptable, powerful, tireless rotation in the backfield.

Carnell Williams and Ronnie Brown play for Auburn, and consistantly under-achieve for the amount of lip-service and Heisman talk they generate. Talk about their potential and NFL-love all you like, I'll take the back that produces on the college field every time over someone who might possibly be better at the next level.

Or think about it like this - even if they have two tens, we have three nines. We're in the better position.

But, if we're playing "let's guess how good someone MIGHT be, and judge them on that", then in my opinion, Ken Darby is better than Carnell Williams.
 
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I'll take the back that produces on the college field every time
What about the one who ran for 200 yards against us in the biggest game of the year?

Sorry, I love our RBs, but it's going to be hard to find many folks outside of this thread that will tell you Carnell and Brown aren't two of the best RBs in the country.

Please take off your crimson glasses when comparing these guys.
 
The final answer!

Vertical said:
Better check that math, bayou. 64 attempts for 427 yards is an average of 6.6 yards per carry for Auburn's combined stats. Alabama's 58 for 424 yards is 7.3 yards per carry. You can't average two averages and get the total average.

And if statistics don't lie, how's this one:

2003 SEC rushing leaders:

1) Shaud Williams - 1367 yards
2) Carnell Williams - 1239 yards
19) Ray Hudson - 490 yards
24) Ronnie Brown - 384 yards

Or what about this one:

2002 SEC rushing leaders:

5) Ronnie Brown - 1008 yards
7) Shaud Williams - 921 yards
8) Santonio Beard - 811 yards
11) Carnell Williams - 745 yards

So, why exactly am I supposed to be fawning all over Carnell Williams? Seriously. I know he's good, I'm not saying he's not. But you guys are bending over backwards to talk up a guy who's never led the SEC in rushing, who has never had a better year than our starting back, and who is still trailing our starting TB this year, despite Hudson's having to split time with 2 other backs, not just one.

I honestly don't get the fascination with Carnell. He's good, yes, but he's hardly ever showed statistically that he's any better than any of our backs.

The facts that are important to me are these:

Ray Hudson, Ken Darby, and Tim Castille provide us with a variable, adaptable, powerful, tireless rotation in the backfield.

Carnell Williams and Ronnie Brown play for Auburn, and consistantly under-achieve for the amount of lip-service and Heisman talk they generate. Talk about their potential and NFL-love all you like, I'll take the back that produces on the college field every time over someone who might possibly be better at the next level.

Or think about it like this - even if they have two tens, we have three nines. We're in the better position.

But, if we're playing "let's guess how good someone MIGHT be, and judge them on that", then in my opinion, Ken Darby is better than Carnell Williams.

Roll Tide :biga:
 
It will be interesting to see how they...

eventually play out in the NFL. I'm not saying that's the test, but it will be interesting. Medical conditions with one of the prominently mentioned players may prove a large part.
 
Running Backs are overrated....

There is such a fine line that separates the speed and "vision" of running backs in this day and age...The "HOGS" on the line are the true "running backs"! They're responsible for making the running backs look good, then the backs get all the glory. You could put the most mediocre runner behind the best OL, and they'd be Heisman Candidates, seriously. That said...I STRONGLY believe our guys have the most heart, and I'd put 'em up against CW and RB ANY DAY, ANY TIME AS long as you give me our current OL, from what I've seen this year...

Roll Tide!
 
Sorry, I love our RBs, but it's going to be hard to find many folks outside of this thread that will tell you Carnell and Brown aren't two of the best RBs in the country.

Please take off your crimson glasses when comparing these guys.
I'm not wearing any glasses, thank you. I never said that Carnell and Brown weren't two of the best RB's in the country. I think they're fine RB's. I think they're even quite good. But that doesn't changed those stats. Yes, Carnell had a nice game against us last year (even though 80 of those yards came on a single carry), but there are plenty of mediocre backs that have big games against rivals. One great game does not a superstar make. But anyway, that's beside my point, and somewhat off of what my intentions are. I don't think Carnell or Brown are bad, at all. I know they're good. I said so. I'm also not suggesting that Ray Hudson is better than either Carnell or Brown (I'd go out on a limb and say I think Darby might be, though). I just don't buy into all the hype. I don't think it has anything to do with being an Alabama fan.
 
Vertical, Amen to my Crimson brother!! :biga2: You and some other Tide fans knew exactly what my post was regarding when it was first started. I know that Auburn has 2 good runnng backs of their own and the nation thinks that as well, but i don't care what the nation thinks. What matters is what BAMA NATION knows and acknowledges. IMHO BAMA fans are the best informed regarding the SEC, esp. on the topic of RBs. :) Stats don't lie, so why are we still hyped on CW. Hudson is the leader as of now and still has to shared time with Darby. Imagine if RH was the main tailback in our backfield.

Bebes, RH has less yardage than CW because he was behind Shaud Williams, you remember Shaud, don't you? ;) I also realized that BAMA does not have the best player at every position, but i love the fact that we have the 3 BEST BACKS wearing CRIMSON!


People on this board will accuse me of having CRIMSON glasses on, but the TIDE right now needs our undying support. :biga2: Fans everywhere boost their teams up and displayed bias opinions whenever they can. WE have great players that need to be mention and its time to show off!! :biggrin:

Once again, DARBY will be a force to contend with!!


ROLL TIDE TILL I DIE!!

PEACE AND PRAYERS from Northern California and may Ivan go away soon!!
 
tide_cali said:
Bebes, RH has less yardage than CW because he was behind Shaud Williams, you remember Shaud, don't you? ;) I also realized that BAMA does not have the best player at every position, but i love the fact that we have the 3 BEST BACKS wearing CRIMSON!
Exactly. If he were THAT good, he wouldn't be a 3 year backup....
 
Darby

Darby won my heart when he was in high school by showing up at his athletic banquets wearing a Bama hat and openly letting everyone know just exactly where he wanted to go to college. He was just waiting for an offer from the Tide. You have got to love that if your heart bleeds crimson.
 
If he were THAT good, he wouldn't be a 3 year backup....
No, all that means is that Shaud Williams was better.

And certainly you're not suggesting that there hasn't ever been a fantastic player who was a backup for 3 years...?
 
TheCapstone said:
Darby won my heart when he was in high school by showing up at his athletic banquets wearing a Bama hat and openly letting everyone know just exactly where he wanted to go to college. He was just waiting for an offer from the Tide. You have got to love that if your heart bleeds crimson.

I like that.
 
Vertical said:
No, all that means is that Shaud Williams was better.

And certainly you're not suggesting that there hasn't ever been a fantastic player who was a backup for 3 years...?
No, i am suggesting that Hudson isn't a better RB than Cadillac and Brown. Although very few "fantastic players" would be 3 year backups.
 
Vertical said:
No, all that means is that Shaud Williams was better.

And certainly you're not suggesting that there hasn't ever been a fantastic player who was a backup for 3 years...?

The case in point is Barry Sanders. He was the backup to Thurman Thomas at OSU for two years.
 
Vertical said:
No, all that means is that Shaud Williams was better.

And certainly you're not suggesting that there hasn't ever been a fantastic player who was a backup for 3 years...?

I think Barry Sanders backed-up Thurman a few years. Which one of them was better?
 
Brown and Williams are good RBs, there's no question about that. So far this season, they've been pretty much running the ball without getting touched until they are 6-8 yards downfield. Bama may not have "played anybody" yet, but neither has Auburn. I think you can arguably state that Utah State and Ole Miss stack up better than La-Monroe and Miss State, and La-Monroe did a relatively good job of keeping Williams in check. When Brown and Williams go up against a defense that's determined to stop the run and have the hosses to do it, I think they'll look more like average running backs.
 
No, i am suggesting that Hudson isn't a better RB than Cadillac and Brown.
Uh... OK, so you're agreeing with me. I never said he was. In fact, I explicitly said I didn't think he was better. What's the problem here?
 
CrimsonChuck said:
The case in point is Barry Sanders. He was the backup to Thurman Thomas at OSU for two years.
2 does not equal 3...and I said "very few"...i didn't say none.
 
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Vertical said:
Uh... OK, so you're agreeing with me. I never said he was. In fact, I explicitly said I didn't think he was better. What's the problem here?
I was answering the question you asked...
 
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