Link: Barry Alvarez Gives Lame Reason as to Why SEC Teams Pay Assistants More than B1G

RTR91

Super Moderator
Nov 23, 2007
39,407
8
0
Prattville
It's from a Wisconsin release on Dave Aranda leaving for LSU. Link if you want to read any of the other stuff.

Posting this solely because of Alvarez' lame excuse as to why SEC teams may be an assistant more (you know, one reason Bert reportedly left for Arkansas).

"People shouldn't be offended when somebody leaves," Alvarez said. "Someone else wants them and is going to spend more money than we're willing to pay. That's part of the business. It happens to everyone."

In fact, LSU's defensive coordinator has left following each of the past two seasons to take coordinator jobs in the SEC. Just this year, Pitt's offensive coordinator left to take the same job at Georgia (just a year after leaving Arkansas). Arkansas' offensive line coach took the same position at Georgia. The coaching carousel doesn't only apply to head coaches.

How can LSU afford to more than double Aranda's salary? One answer is that most schools in the SEC have around 18 sports programs to underwrite (the Tigers have 19 sports) while the average in the Big Ten Conference is 23 (the Badgers have 23).

"The reason they can go up higher (in the SEC) is they're not supporting as many sports," Alvarez said. "It's a difference in philosophy. The Big Ten is known for being more broad-based in its sports offerings. We are committed to supporting a broad-based athletic program. People may dismiss that, but it's a real thing. They can sink more of their money into football.

"But we still feel we're very competitive. We're very cognizant of what everyone else is paying. We make adjustments annually.

"You can get your entire staff out of whack if every time someone has a job (offer) you have to give them a raise. You have to make decisions as you go along, what you can handle and what you can't, and go from there."

Alvarez used associate head coach and offensive line assistant Joe Rudolph as an example of someone who deserves a raise. Rudolph molded a unit through a series of injuries and eight different starting lineups. The final product that faced USC had one senior and four redshirt freshmen.
 

BamaDMD

Hall of Fame
Sep 10, 2007
5,508
973
137
Rainsville Al
"The reason they can go up higher (in the SEC) is they're not supporting as many sports," Alvarez said. "It's a difference in philosophy. The Big Ten is known for being more broad-based in its sports offerings. We are committed to supporting a broad-based athletic program. People may dismiss that, but it's a real thing. They can sink more of their money into football.
Well, you can narrow your focus and be better at those things or you can be a "jack of all trades".
 

CajunCrimson

Moderator (FB,BB) and Vinyl Enthusiast
Staff member
Mar 13, 2001
29,099
26,390
337
Breaux Bridge, La
Maybe drop the Women's Rowing Team (and a second Women's Rowing - Lightweight Team) or the Men's Diving Team.....and pay your coaches Barry.....
 

fundytide

1st Team
Oct 22, 1999
661
0
0
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Maybe drop the Women's Rowing Team (and a second Women's Rowing - Lightweight Team) or the Men's Diving Team.....and pay your coaches Barry.....
As a retired international level lightweight rower, I find this somewhat offensive. Title IX requirements aside, there should be opportunities for students who do not have the physical size and skills to play football to have a chance to compete and develop the critical skills that college athletics provides.

FWIW, Alabama recently built a new boathouse and equipment for its women's rowing team and this is one of the nicest college facilities I have seen outside Boston or Philadelphia and I have seen quite a few.

Alvarez's reason for Aranda's departure may or may not be reasonable but there's no reason to dump on other sports programs to make that point.
 

bamablood6

1st Team
Mar 27, 2006
934
0
0
58
That's only 4 more sports programs than LSU for example......so you are telling me, you could not pay the guy more money to keep him because you are supporting 4 more sports teams---which are probably not getting a lot of funding anyway, or is it the guy wanted to go coach in the best conference, the one with the most passion and is a hell of a lot warmer in the winter...... sounds to me there was nothing ol' Barry could do to keep him.

Maybe the DC wanted to get the heck away from Barry Alvarez.....that would be my guess. LOL
 

CajunCrimson

Moderator (FB,BB) and Vinyl Enthusiast
Staff member
Mar 13, 2001
29,099
26,390
337
Breaux Bridge, La
As a retired international level lightweight rower, I find this somewhat offensive. Title IX requirements aside, there should be opportunities for students who do not have the physical size and skills to play football to have a chance to compete and develop the critical skills that college athletics provides.

FWIW, Alabama recently built a new boathouse and equipment for its women's rowing team and this is one of the nicest college facilities I have seen outside Boston or Philadelphia and I have seen quite a few.

Alvarez's reason for Aranda's departure may or may not be reasonable but there's no reason to dump on other sports programs to make that point.
There's always someone that will be offended....should I swap out Rowing for something else that won't offend you?

I'm guessing the Bama facility will be set up as a Club Team and not an NCAA team....but I"m not sure. But if it's a club team....then it has nothing to do with my original statement....

If Barry is saying that the reason he can't pay coaches is because he has more sports he "has" to pay for......then that is a situation that Wisc has to deal with....

But, if an off-the-cuff statement offended you....which had nothing at all to do with you.....you are welcome to swap out the team with another one....just let me know which one you would choose in it's place and I'll be happy to edit my original post.
 

B1GTide

TideFans Legend
Apr 13, 2012
47,874
55,184
187
As a retired international level lightweight rower, I find this somewhat offensive. Title IX requirements aside, there should be opportunities for students who do not have the physical size and skills to play football to have a chance to compete and develop the critical skills...
Complete bunk. Life isn't fair.
 

Redwood Forrest

Hall of Fame
Sep 19, 2003
11,299
1,303
287
78
Boaz, AL USA
As a retired international level lightweight rower, I find this somewhat offensive. Title IX requirements aside, there should be opportunities for students who do not have the physical size and skills to play football to have a chance to compete and develop the critical skills that college athletics provides.

FWIW, Alabama recently built a new boathouse and equipment for its women's rowing team and this is one of the nicest college facilities I have seen outside Boston or Philadelphia and I have seen quite a few.

Alvarez's reason for Aranda's departure may or may not be reasonable but there's no reason to dump on other sports programs to make that point.
I only have one issue with all these other sports and it is the same I have with the Birmingham Symphony Orchestra. If enough people won't buy a ticket to support it ..... then don't make me (the taxpayer) pay for it. If rowing pays for itself they by all means row away because that means people want to come a watch.
 

mittman

All-American
Jun 19, 2009
3,942
0
0
I think his reasoning is legitimate. The more sports being funded that are not revenue producing the less there is available for the revenue producing sports. When your high profile normally revenue producing sports are getting out competed and start struggling the school has to make some tough decisions.

I don't have a problem with revenue producing sports funding non producing ones, but one should always be nervous if you are in the later category.
 

CrimsonForce

Hall of Fame
Dec 20, 2012
12,757
94
67
As a retired international level lightweight rower, I find this somewhat offensive. Title IX requirements aside, there should be opportunities for students who do not have the physical size and skills to play football to have a chance to compete and develop the critical skills that college athletics provides.

FWIW, Alabama recently built a new boathouse and equipment for its women's rowing team and this is one of the nicest college facilities I have seen outside Boston or Philadelphia and I have seen quite a few.

Alvarez's reason for Aranda's departure may or may not be reasonable but there's no reason to dump on other sports programs to make that point.
And guess what paid for the new boathouse and equipment? Football. It's the only collegiate sport that generates any significant revenue. Football pays for and absorbs the losses that all the other sports incur. If you are really for rowing or whatever else off the cuff sport you like then your opinion should be to do whatever it takes to create the best football program. That will in turn create better (and more) opportunities for the other sports..
 

RTR91

Super Moderator
Nov 23, 2007
39,407
8
0
Prattville
I think his reasoning is legitimate. The more sports being funded that are not revenue producing the less there is available for the revenue producing sports. When your high profile normally revenue producing sports are getting out competed and start struggling the school has to make some tough decisions.

I don't have a problem with revenue producing sports funding non producing ones, but one should always be nervous if you are in the later category.
So their two more sports than Alabama are the reason they can't pay as much? That's essentially what he's saying. Those two additional sports lose so much money the football coach can't pay his assistants enough to keep them.
 

mittman

All-American
Jun 19, 2009
3,942
0
0
So their two more sports than Alabama are the reason they can't pay as much? That's essentially what he's saying. Those two additional sports lose so much money the football coach can't pay his assistants enough to keep them.
I don't think it is about the number of sports as much as it is about the number of sports that are not at least revenue neutral. Even then there could be a specific choice of sports that is costing a great deal more than it is producing. I know he didn't state it that way, and made it about the number of sports. So I can see your point.

I have not looked to see what the ratio is between Alabama and Wisconsin choices of sports, and the budgets for each sport, but I do think the reasoning is still legitimate.
 
Last edited:

fundytide

1st Team
Oct 22, 1999
661
0
0
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
There's always someone that will be offended....should I swap out Rowing for something else that won't offend you?

I'm guessing the Bama facility will be set up as a Club Team and not an NCAA team....but I"m not sure. But if it's a club team....then it has nothing to do with my original statement....

If Barry is saying that the reason he can't pay coaches is because he has more sports he "has" to pay for......then that is a situation that Wisc has to deal with....

But, if an off-the-cuff statement offended you....which had nothing at all to do with you.....you are welcome to swap out the team with another one....just let me know which one you would choose in it's place and I'll be happy to edit my original post.
Spoken like someone who does not have even the basic understanding of concepts like team and the purpose of collegiate athletics.
 

fundytide

1st Team
Oct 22, 1999
661
0
0
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Really? Isn't Ohio State a publicly-funded institution? Maybe you should revisit the reason why public colleges and universities offer varsity sports. Hint: it's not revenue generation. Or maybe as an OSU fan you've just overstayed your welcome.
 

RTR91

Super Moderator
Nov 23, 2007
39,407
8
0
Prattville
I don't think it is about the number of sports as much as it is about the number of sports that are not at least revenue neutral. Even then there could be a specific choice of sports that is costing a great deal more than it is producing. I know he didn't state it that way, and made it about the number of sports. So I can see your point.

I have not looked to see what the ratio is between Alabama and Wisconsin choices of sports, and the budgets for each sport, but I do think the reasoning is still legitimate.
Checked USAToday's list of 2014 revenues.

Alabama had $153,234,273 in revenue. Wisconsin had $127,910,918 in revenue.

Alabama spent $44,971,633 on coaches/staff while Wisconsin spent $39,707,418.

Wisconsin subsidized a little over $8,000,000, and Alabama was just under $6,000,000.

Seems like they aren't being very wise in their spending.
 
|

Latest threads