Bowden all-time coaching record....

[Ivory Tusk]

I posted this below under the fsu thread. Thought I would bring it to the top to see other opinions.

Like I said, I'm not bitter the record was broken I just don't think some of the "W's" should count. I have more respect for Joe Pa's record.

I know it was going to get broken sooner or later. Don't mind if Joe Pa was the one to do it.
However I don't think it's fair that bobby gets to count victories against JV teams and non-div 1 teams to his total.
If those games count then ALL of Robison's games count and he is in the lead. Can't have it both ways.

They actually count games/victories for bobby against....Tenn. Tech freshman, Gordon Jr. College Ga., Millington NAS, University of Mexico (yes I said Mexico).
Sure these were games when he was at Samford...yet they count towards his win total.
During that same era Joe Pa was at Penn St playing UCLA, Ga tech, Pitt, Mich St their usual schedule. Just doesn't seem right that bobby got to pad his stats/victories against JC's, freshman teams & non Div-1 opponents while Joe Pa earned it the hard way. If these games are not counted then Bobby should subtract 31 games from his total record....AND if non Div-1 games count then John Gagliardi is the all-time leader for all divisions.


another side note...If Ronnie Cottrel is as crooked as the NCAA and the media
makes him out to be...why didn't fsu ever get "looked into" when he was hauling in #1 signing classes as THEIR recruiting cord?

 

[TNBama]

I fully agree. Its rediculous to count those games in Bobby's record. Why not throw in his little league records too? Its worth about the same.

 

[TommyMac]

Without a doubt, Diddy has had a much easier path to the record than did Coach Bryant, but is it really that much easier than JoPa's? For years and years, JoPa feasted on some pretty weak competition in the East, probably even weaker than the ACC.

 

[IHateUT]

Listen, you can talk about a lot of things, but don't disrespect my alma mater, Tennessee Tech and their (in)ability to put a great team on the field.





I do agree that Jo Pa's record has much more credibilty that Daddy Bowden's. Although, I think he's a great coach, some of those wins that count are ridiculous.

 

[RobK]

You also have to remember that early on in Bowden's FSU tenure, the 'Noles were an Independent and played schedules that closely resemble Conference USA in recent years (East Carolina, Memphis, Cincinnati, Tulane, etc.). To Bowden's credit, they would always schedule 2 or 3 top-notch opponents (and won their fair share), but rest assured there were plenty of gimmes on the slate.

 

[TideTiger2005]

Alabama fans need to get off of Bowden's record against smaller schools. The NCAA counts them for Bowden...just like they did for Bear Bryant.

When you look closer at the opponents that are included in Bear's 315, they deserve to be questioned just as hard. Here are a few that stand out:

Virginia Military - 1
Merchant Marine - 1
Guilford College - 1
Evansville - 1
Marquette - 2
Saint Xavier - 4
North Dakota - 1
Dayton - 1
George Washington - 1
Tennessee Tech - 1
Cincinnati - 4
Wichita State - 1
Tampa - 1
UT Chattanooga - 1
Tulsa - 1
Memphis (before they were I-A) - 3

That's 25 that ain't too impressive but are counted nonetheless in the 315. (BTW, He beat North Dakota 83-0...with Kentucky...in 1950.)

Back when Bear was playing the Hurricanes, Miami was homecoming fodder. They didn't get scary good until one of Bear's Boys, Shnellenberger, unleashed them in the early 80's.

Florida State under Bobby Bowden was to major football about what Fresno State is today. They were the original play anyone, anytime, anywhere crew. He deserves the record for no other reason than his tremendous run in the 90's alone!

Most importantly, he accomplished his wins...which have passed Joe Pa...in 17 years less time than it took Joe Pa. And, he's still putting good teams on the field year in and year out.

Besides, right now, he is only 4 wins away from having 31 more than Bear did, which is how many he won while he was at Samford, also which would make this a moot point anyways.

 

[Ivory Tusk]

TideTiger....

...you must have missed my point. I said if you count those teams for saint bobby then their are two other coaches that should be named at the top. AND yes Bear & Joe Pa did have some Patsy's...not even close to what bobby has. I mean Juco teams, a team from Mexico, JV teams should count???
Yes. bobby's run in the 90's was amazing...although it makes ya wonder how clean it was. He had the same man RC that went down with Bama...however year after year when RC had #1 classes in tally they never got in trouble. The man has "prayed for misdemeanor" ...had the Dillards incident not to mention his rules for "polish" players when they are in the national title game.
The man has "Aw shucked" his way with the media and the NCAA for years...when ya live as close as I do to the cess poll you would be tired of the old game as well.

It's nice to see the semis on their slow and painful decline for my standpoint. Since Richt has left and Amato...baby bowden #3 just can't get it done.

 

[determined]

Florida State under Bobby Bowden was to major football about what Fresno State is today. They were the original play anyone, anytime, anywhere crew.

Southern Miss has surpassed Fresno in that regard because Fresno doesn't really play those top-tier schools and they can't beat the lesser competition in the WAC like they used to

I saw them beaten....literally beaten....by Louisiana Tech last year. The game was close and went to the wire but Fresno did not deserve to win due in part to their coaching. Pat Hill was literally scared to throw the ball and did very very little passing in the second half.

A friend of mine conmented after the game "Tech didn't beat Fresno State, they beat people wearing Fresno's uniforms"

 

[TommyMac]

Alabama fans need to get off of Bowden's record against smaller schools. The NCAA counts them for Bowden...just like they did for Bear Bryant.

When you look closer at the opponents that are included in Bear's 315, they deserve to be questioned just as hard. Here are a few that stand out:

Virginia Military - 1
Merchant Marine - 1
Guilford College - 1
Evansville - 1
Marquette - 2
Saint Xavier - 4
North Dakota - 1
Dayton - 1
George Washington - 1
Tennessee Tech - 1
Cincinnati - 4
Wichita State - 1
Tampa - 1
UT Chattanooga - 1
Tulsa - 1
Memphis (before they were I-A) - 3

That's 25 that ain't too impressive but are counted nonetheless in the 315. (BTW, He beat North Dakota 83-0...with Kentucky...in 1950.)

Back when Bear was playing the Hurricanes, Miami was homecoming fodder. They didn't get scary good until one of Bear's Boys, Shnellenberger, unleashed them in the early 80's.

Florida State under Bobby Bowden was to major football about what Fresno State is today. They were the original play anyone, anytime, anywhere crew. He deserves the record for no other reason than his tremendous run in the 90's alone!

Most importantly, he accomplished his wins...which have passed Joe Pa...in 17 years less time than it took Joe Pa. And, he's still putting good teams on the field year in and year out.

Besides, right now, he is only 4 wins away from having 31 more than Bear did, which is how many he won while he was at Samford, also which would make this a moot point anyways.

How do you figure Bowden did it in 17 less years than Paterno? Paterno took over at PSU i8n 1966, Bowden took over at FSU in 1976, plus he coached 6 years at WVU and at Samford for ever how many years.