Bryant-Denny Stadium Capacity

crabapplemcfly

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I was having a conversation the other day about the supply of tickets grossly underwhelming the demand. We agreed that the next expansion couldn't happen fast enough. But even with the expansion and if they make the seating area smaller, ie Neyland Stadium, would it matter? I made the point that a over 100,000 would have easily come into the stadium for A-Day, a freaking practice (that is still crazy to me by the way)! So would it even be helpful if BDS was made to seat, say, 125,000 tidefans?

So let me just ask: At what point do yall think we quit selling out BDS?

I believe if our capacity were 125,00 - 175,000 we easily fill the stadium week in and week out.
 

RT3413

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I believe if our capacity were 125,00 - 175,000 we easily fill the stadium week in and week out.
Two things....

1. If we had 175,000 seats available that would be nearly twice the capacity today. Tickets would become highly plentiful and easy to access, thus no need for the large donation fees.

2. I lived in Tuscaloosa after graduation and got to experience Game Days from a "resident" POV. Let me tell you, the infrastructure can barely support 92,000. You start pushing above 100K and you're going to have to do some MAJOR improvements to the roadways.
 

irish_tide

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Two things....

1. If we had 175,000 seats available that would be nearly twice the capacity today. Tickets would become highly plentiful and easy to access, thus no need for the large donation fees.

2. I lived in Tuscaloosa after graduation and got to experience Game Days from a "resident" POV. Let me tell you, the infrastructure can barely support 92,000. You start pushing above 100K and you're going to have to do some MAJOR improvements to the roadways.
I second that. The stadium could easily be renovated, but T-town could not hold the numbers. Heck, I wish 'Bama had the largest stadium in college football (the largest stadium for the most storied program!), but Without some MAJOR projects around town, it would be miserable.

But, to answer the question, I honestly believe we could sell out 200,000-250,000 every week.
 

HammerJammer

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i think alabama versus auburn in a good year could sell out 250k. if both teams were undefeated, maybe 400k.
 

TIDE-HSV

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I do agree with the above. Much beyond our present cpy and getting folks in and out of town, not to mention housing and feeding them, gets to be critical. Knoxville, in my experience, does a much better job of logistics and I'm hard pressed to explain why that should be so...
 

ColumbusTide

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Knoxville has a million plus people living in its metro area. Birmingham would have no trouble supporting a massive stadium if it had a team to fill it. Tuscaloosa is thankfully a small town. Eight saturdays a year there are not enough lanes on the highway and not enough hotel rooms. I think we will manage.

I'd like us to wait and see if the interest at least stays stable before we make definite plans to expand. There's nothing wrong with exploring and planning, but breaking ground is another matter. 105K by 2012, that seems like a nice 5 year plan to me. Of course, getting to 105K would mean that the endzone gets closed in with fewer skyboxes. Alot of space in the most recent expansion was taken up by the new club seating. I don't see that happening in the opposite endzone.
 

BamaLaw

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I believe that "This season" we could have sold another 50,000 to 70,000 season tix, if capacity would have allowed. For the forseeable future, (at least the next 5-7 years) I believe we could easily sell out a stadium that would seat as many as 125,000. However, to fill those seats every week, we would have to upgrade the non-conference portion of our schedule. We've seen in the past that selling the seats and putting butts in those seats can be very different propositions.

Now, I've never encountered problems getting in and out of tuscaloosa or in and out of the campus area. Of course, I'm usually in town on Friday afternoon before the game on Saturday and on campus by 6:00 or 7:00 A.M. on game day. Then, I usually am still on campus until around midnight or so after the game and stay in Tuscaloosa until sometime on Sunday. On the rare occasions that I head to town on Saturday morning or head back to B'ham on Saturday nights, I've never had any problem. My biggest problems with getting into restaurants has been that I'm usually not looking for food until after everything is closed. It's not been a matter of waiting for a table.

I'm sure we've all heard rumblings, on this site and through other avenues, as well, that the South endzone expansion will be started sooner rather than later, and will be more extensive than most have imagined. Regardless of the number of seats to be added, with the current level of interest, it won't be enough; however, the University will certainly take into consideration that various things can happen to diminish interest, just as things have come together to create the unprecedented levels of interest and record demand for tickets.

This brings me to a question I've been pondering for a while. I don't want to high-jack this thread by asking the question here, so, I'll mention it here, then start a thread specifically to consider that question.

We all know that Saban is a significant part of the puzzle that has resulted in this unprecedented interest in the Crimson Tide football program. However, we all must know that there are many other factors at play, here.

Amongst those factors are the recent history of the program, including the revolving door that has been on the head coach's office door since Coach Bryant's retirement and the fact that several of those coaches were not even remotely qualified, let alone capable of handling that position.

Throw in the NCAA penalties, Phil Fulmer, Tom Culpepper, Tom Yeager, and the "piling on" of the media over the last decade, and what do you get? You get a fanbase that is sick of being called cheaters, sick of playing with one hand and one leg tied behind our backs, sick of being the butt of media jokes, sick of Tubby's thumb, etc. Add to that the fact that enrollment is way up on a faster pace than Witt had targetted when he arrived. Add in the fact that for many Bama fans, my age and older, Bama had won six (6) national championships during their lifetimes by the time they entered college. Then we suffered through 13 years without before Stallings lead us to a championship in 1992. Now, it's been another 15 years in the wilderness.

We fans are sick and tired of losing and all the adversity of the last decade have brought us to a boil. Saban was just the last ingredient needed for the thing to explode at the seams.

I don't believe that Saban is so much THE reason for all the interest, so much as he was just the final piece in the puzzle. For that matter, he may not have even been the final piece in the puzzle. The media reaction to his hiring, may have been the final piece.

At any rate, I've listed several contributing factors that have combined to generate the current level of interest in our program. Now, fellow TideFans, put in your two-cents worth on the subject...

Throw
 

alatider

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My question is this: Say the "powers-to-be" expanded BDS to over 100,000
will the fans buy tickets in the expanded area?

To increase the seating capacity now would mean that lots of fans will have to sit in extremely high upper decks and thus it is hard to see the players play at that height. If you don't believe me, go sit in the hightest seat in on of the current upper decks. The players look like ants.

To me, at that height, it's not worth buying a ticket. One could get a better view sitting at home or at a sports bar watching it on the big screen.
 

Tide Tales

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I believe that "This season" we could have sold another 50,000 to 70,000 season tix, if capacity would have allowed. For the forseeable future, (at least the next 5-7 years) I believe we could easily sell out a stadium that would seat as many as 125,000. However, to fill those seats every week, we would have to upgrade the non-conference portion of our schedule. We've seen in the past that selling the seats and putting butts in those seats can be very different propositions.

Now, I've never encountered problems getting in and out of tuscaloosa or in and out of the campus area. Of course, I'm usually in town on Friday afternoon before the game on Saturday and on campus by 6:00 or 7:00 A.M. on game day. Then, I usually am still on campus until around midnight or so after the game and stay in Tuscaloosa until sometime on Sunday. On the rare occasions that I head to town on Saturday morning or head back to B'ham on Saturday nights, I've never had any problem. My biggest problems with getting into restaurants has been that I'm usually not looking for food until after everything is closed. It's not been a matter of waiting for a table.

I'm sure we've all heard rumblings, on this site and through other avenues, as well, that the South endzone expansion will be started sooner rather than later, and will be more extensive than most have imagined. Regardless of the number of seats to be added, with the current level of interest, it won't be enough; however, the University will certainly take into consideration that various things can happen to diminish interest, just as things have come together to create the unprecedented levels of interest and record demand for tickets.

This brings me to a question I've been pondering for a while. I don't want to high-jack this thread by asking the question here, so, I'll mention it here, then start a thread specifically to consider that question.

We all know that Saban is a significant part of the puzzle that has resulted in this unprecedented interest in the Crimson Tide football program. However, we all must know that there are many other factors at play, here.

Amongst those factors are the recent history of the program, including the revolving door that has been on the head coach's office door since Coach Bryant's retirement and the fact that several of those coaches were not even remotely qualified, let alone capable of handling that position.

Throw in the NCAA penalties, Phil Fulmer, Tom Culpepper, Tom Yeager, and the "piling on" of the media over the last decade, and what do you get? You get a fanbase that is sick of being called cheaters, sick of playing with one hand and one leg tied behind our backs, sick of being the butt of media jokes, sick of Tubby's thumb, etc. Add to that the fact that enrollment is way up on a faster pace than Witt had targetted when he arrived. Add in the fact that for many Bama fans, my age and older, Bama had won six (6) national championships during their lifetimes by the time they entered college. Then we suffered through 13 years without before Stallings lead us to a championship in 1992. Now, it's been another 15 years in the wilderness.

We fans are sick and tired of losing and all the adversity of the last decade have brought us to a boil. Saban was just the last ingredient needed for the thing to explode at the seams.

I don't believe that Saban is so much THE reason for all the interest, so much as he was just the final piece in the puzzle. For that matter, he may not have even been the final piece in the puzzle. The media reaction to his hiring, may have been the final piece.

At any rate, I've listed several contributing factors that have combined to generate the current level of interest in our program. Now, fellow TideFans, put in your two-cents worth on the subject...

Throw
Caught, BamaLaw, but you have stated what is so very obvious (at least to me) so eloquently I can't add any "worth" to your post. The confidence the fan base has placed in CNS is justifiable (from his past accomplishments @ college level and current recruiting 'scores') and it may be border-line-over-the-top-for-the-moment, but I think that's understandable-especially when comparing him with the most recent experience with a hc. (Not that that's a deep-thought process, but more of a "how could he not be better"...and "he" could have been almost anyone else.) Personally I strive for balance...doesn't mean I'm ho-hum about CNS, but I also have a bit of wait-and-see in the back of my mind, based on nothing more than it takes a combination of essential ingredients to be a successful hc @ Alabama. Thus far, we're ahead, but only time will provide a true overall "grade". I hope CNS is "it" but it isn't yet known. Roll Tide!:BigA:
 

AlistarWills

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I think if you ripped out the chairback seats on the West side upper deck, you could add a couple thousand seats easy. Of everyone I've talked to, that deck is actually uncomfortable because of the seats. Knees in your head, your knees in someone elses. You get walked all over with someone trying to get down the aisle, etc.
 

AllTide

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The possible solutions for accom 110K + are endless.

First thing that came to my mind is rent the spaces for the ones that want to drive in and tailgate before the game. For the ones that don't, have parking areas around town and bus them in. Heck, even for the ones bussed in they could even buy a taligating package complete with food, blanket on the ground tent canopy etc.

Like I said the possibilities are endless. It can be done.

RTR
 

RT1941

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I'm of the opinion that we should take a wait & see approach. There will be many changes this year alone. RV parking, vehicle parking & tailgating areas, etc. I would love to see BDS expand to over 100,000 seats. I just thank God that I've progressed in Tide Pride to get to the lower bowl seats over the past 10-15 years.
 

Selma-Bama-Fan

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My question is this: Say the "powers-to-be" expanded BDS to over 100,000
will the fans buy tickets in the expanded area?

To increase the seating capacity now would mean that lots of fans will have to sit in extremely high upper decks and thus it is hard to see the players play at that height. If you don't believe me, go sit in the hightest seat in on of the current upper decks. The players look like ants.

To me, at that height, it's not worth buying a ticket. One could get a better view sitting at home or at a sports bar watching it on the big screen.

Being in any seat in BDS is worth more than watching it on TV. Just the atmosphere alone on a game day is worth it. Having said that, Id much rather sit in the student section so I can stand the entire game and sing the fight song without getting strange looks from people heh.
 

RollTide007

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I have a pretty cool idea, let me know what everyone thinks.

What if they built a high-speed rail line from Birmingham to Tuscaloosa, thus allowing fans to park somewhere in B'ham and ride the train to T-town instead of tying up roads and highways? This could also be used throughout the year as I know several people that commute from B'ham 3-4 times a week for school purposes. And it could also be used for other sports like basketball, baseball, gymnastics...etc. Maybe this would increase attendance of those sports with the ease of travel, not to mention cut down on the headaches of traffic jams that we currently have following games.

Then, maybe they could increase the stadium capacity significantly.
 

bayoutider

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I have a pretty cool idea, let me know what everyone thinks.

What if they built a high-speed rail line from Birmingham to Tuscaloosa, thus allowing fans to park somewhere in B'ham and ride the train to T-town instead of tying up roads and highways? This could also be used throughout the year as I know several people that commute from B'ham 3-4 times a week for school purposes. And it could also be used for other sports like basketball, baseball, gymnastics...etc. Maybe this would increase attendance of those sports with the ease of travel, not to mention cut down on the headaches of traffic jams that we currently have following games.

Then, maybe they could increase the stadium capacity significantly.
I'm pretty sure the cost of doing that would be unreasonable. Even the cost of buying right of way to build it would be enormous.
 

red55

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Schools with big stadiums (90,000+) already have problems with no-shows. Winning schools have no problems selling out the seats, but they don't get as many re-peat ticket holders as the sideline decks and the lower bowl. With so many games on TV nowadays, many such fans opt to stay at home and watch the game on the HDTV for a much better view of the game . . . especially in rainy weather, cold weather, or hot September afternoons. Nobody likes to see empty seats.

And, as has already been mentioned, very high decks in the end-zone offer a poor view of the field and folks aren't willing to pay high surcharges for those seats. It makes it hard to make the very expensive upper decks pay for themselves. LSU has considered making end-zone upper decks to raise the capacity of Tiger stadium to 120,000. But a study showed that it would never pay for itself and it would be much cheaper to just go over to the River Road and build a shiny new 100,000-seat Tiger Stadium.

The trend among schools who already have big stadiums is to create more premium club seats and sky-boxes on the sidelines, where people will pay fantastic surcharges for a good view of the field and luxury accomodations. LSU recently demolished a 20-year-old upper deck and replaced it with a new one that only gained them 400 new seats . . . but it converted 3,500 seats into three new club levels with $2,650 surcharges per seat.

This kind of upgrade, rather than expansion, eliminates the congestion and game-day crowd problems that Earle has mentioned as it brings in much more money without increasing the crowd size. All big campus stadiums have problems with traffic and crowd control. New security issues just make it worse.
 

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