Buyers remorse for Freeze?
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I did not mean to imply that I thought Freeze was equivalent to Saban in 2007. Merely that it was too early to judge his performance due to the situation he inherited. I do think he can be as or more successful than he was at Ole Miss due to the ”resources” available to him at Auburn. Plus the portal and NIL.
Hugh Freeze left Ole Miss in scandal, retreated to the Title IX cesspool that is Liberty University (which, fittingly and helpfully for the right Reverend HF, has one of the worst Title IX reporting track records of any American school, right along with, you guessed it, Auburn). And in the summer before his hiring, he very stupidly and publicly inserted himself in a nasty lawsuit that had nothing to do with him. Until, of course, by his own doing, it did.
Auburn had to ignore a lot by hiring him. Some of what they ignored is very public. Some of it is … well, very NOT.
I have both extended grace and needed it in my time, and redemption is mine, thank God. Same goes for Hugh. But a recovering drunk probably shouldn’t be a bartender, no matter how solid their sobriety.
Play with fire, get burned.
Auburn had to ignore a lot by hiring him. Some of what they ignored is very public. Some of it is … well, very NOT.
I have both extended grace and needed it in my time, and redemption is mine, thank God. Same goes for Hugh. But a recovering drunk probably shouldn’t be a bartender, no matter how solid their sobriety.
Play with fire, get burned.
I think timing is everything over there. Dye took over at the right time, Tuberville also, and the Gus Bus was lucky enough to sustain a tenure.
Has any AD (including ours) ever said anything else??The AD said he was the "perfect fit" for awbern...
They won't laugh at escorts though.
It was probably not in great shape before Harsin if truth were to be publicly known. I know nothing about Awbun anymore. Years ago I knew things because the wife was tight with the Auburn Alumni group here in Tenn. Being a Bama guy...I was sorta out of place...the wife helped organize and make the finger foods. I don't miss those guys
I don't follow them but at glances but from what I've seen they dont have a quarterback. Every time I've watched them play the qb looks bad.
Agreed. I also thought overall team speed was lacking, especially on defense.
They are just bad all the way around. And they should feel bad about themselves.
I'll wait to comment until we successfully muddle through the voodoo fog on the pasture.
He took over a team that had gone 6-18 with a 15-game SEC losing streak the previous two years and won more games each of his first four years. And his QB missed the last 3 games of his tenure with a torn ACL. Given where he was - and what he inherited - he didn't do all that badly.
I don't disagree that their analysis never advanced beyond:
1) he beat Saban twice and nearly beat him a third time and
2) if we don't get him, Saban is going to hire him as OC
But saying he was somehow helped by an Alabama comedy of errors is an interesting way of saying, "when the other team forces turnovers, it doesn't count the same as when we do."
At OLE MISS!!!
Not at LSU or Alabama or Florida. At OLE MISS!!
I'm not arguing the guy is the next Knute Rockne, but to pretend he wasn't successful at Ole Miss by their standards and lack of national pedigree is ludicrous. Yeah, it was bought with dirty money, but the dollar bills don't catch passes or make tackles, as I've said ad nauseum.
He beat five coaches who won national championships (four at the time he played them plus Kirby Smart in his first year).
Go look at the coaching record of Gene Stallings before Alabama hired him.
He wouldn't even meet the standard of "slightly above average coach."
He had a losing record, he was 11 games below .500, and he never lost fewer than FOUR times in a season - including his only winning season, when he beat Bryant in that famous Cotton Bowl.
Again, I'm not going to argue that Hugh Freeze is an upper echelon coach. He won a bunch of games with tactics that when everyone uses them mitigates any significant advantage when he isn't the only one using them. And he won a bunch of those games - like Malzahn - in a time when their trickery often enabled ineligible receivers to sneak downfield and get away with things.
It's no accident that as they have better learned to police that particular tactic, neither Auburn nor Ole Miss has been all that fantastic. (Yes, Auburn was highly ranked in 2017 - right up until their fear made them keep the mediocrity they already had as coach).
I was being snarky by alluding to the companionship thing. I should have also included the rules changes that have increasingly made both his and Gus' trick play offenses far less productive. Both of those coaches exploited weaknesses in the rules. They can't do that anymore.
Edit: I see that you've addressed this so, carry on!
Well, I'm more than a tad bit sick and tired of analysis that starts with "X didn't win any national championships" (no reflection on poster to whom I responded just to be clear).Wow! You just killed this thread.
Hiring ANY coach is a crapshoot. Seriously, it's like getting married or choosing a running mate for office. Past success isn't necessarily indicative of future accomplishment.
These are the internet fans if we could go back in time to 1957 would say, "Don't hire that Paul Bryant guy, he ain't never won a national championship."
That's about the level of analysis involved in a lot of this stuff.
However - there IS something to Auburn's entire approach that the entire reason for their existence is to beat Alabama. I know many good fans of that program who are NOT that way, but the fact is that their entire existence for many of them depends on ALABAMA LOSING.
It's not even them winning, just "I hope Alabama loses."
They arent getting blown out and will still probably finish 6-6 and win a small bowl to go 7-6. With the team he had that’s not that bad really. Next year will be a better judgement of him at auburn imo
Exactly. Outside of Saban, Kirby, and Dabo NO ACTIVE HC HAS WON A NC. You could hire anyone outside of those three (well, exclude Dabo) and you would probably hope to get one NC in 7 years.
It’s too early to say what Freeze will do. You see a coach like Sonny Dykes and think to yourself, “see he did it, why can’t Freeze?” and to be fair, Dykes path was catching the right team at the right time mixed with some obvious help. TCU probably won’t ever sniff the playoffs again, and it’s not certain Freeze will at Auburn.
There are not 10 Nick Saban’s walking around looking for jobs nowadays. Fanbases need to be realistic and patient.
Yep, let em fire Freeze... Sam Pitman will likely be availaible.
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