Cam Robinson Arrested (UPDATE: No charges due to lack of evidence)

[KrAzY3]

Re: Cam Robinson Arrested

Being a police officer, I'm truly disgusted by some of the responses I have seen on here. I haven't posted here in a long time but I couldn't bite my tongue anymore. I have never been more disappointed in my own fanbase...

That does seem to be a pretty broad generalization. I didn't say a single negative word about police officers, nor did most people here. I know I saw more negative things said about the players than the police officers.

 

[B1GTide]

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Being a police officer, I'm truly disgusted by some of the responses I have seen on here. I haven't posted here in a long time but I couldn't bite my tongue anymore. I have never been more disappointed in my own fanbase...

The police, and the government in general, are no longer trusted in America. If you don't understand why that is, maybe you should read a little history or take a look at some of the things going on in the US. Being a police officer was once a highly respected job, and the police officer was seen as a hero by many. That time has passed, and the boys in blue had a role to play in the passing.

As for this specific incident - I have seen nothing which would have me doubt the actions of the police. As with the accused, we will just have to wait until all of the facts are exposed - or, at least, whatever facts actually get exposed since we will likely never know exactly what happened and why/how here.

 

[81usaf92]

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Being a police officer, I'm truly disgusted by some of the responses I have seen on here. I haven't posted here in a long time but I couldn't bite my tongue anymore. I have never been more disappointed in my own fanbase...

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who are you talking about because since you didn't quote anyone specifically it just comes off as a very broad statement since 90% of this board seems to be dogging cam and the other 10% are either unsure, waiting for facts, or unconcerned.

 

[81usaf92]

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Isn't that what message boards are for?

What's your point? Or was your whole goal in this thread to reply in vauge one sentence statements in which you don't agree. My point was people are getting bent out of shape and assuming the DA's, CNS's, and the university's role going forward without knowing all the facts. I honestly don't get what needed a response other than a rebuttal . It's like me saying the sky is blue, and you responding " I agree the sky is blue, but it also has clouds".

 

[Airborne Tider]

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who are you talking about because since you didn't quote anyone specifically it just comes off as a very broad statement since 90% of this board seems to be dogging cam and the other 10% are either unsure, waiting for facts, or unconcerned.

I believe there was some mention of modern day lynchings and blaming the officers for being overbearing or using questionable probable cause. Not my problem if you didn't read the posts. But those all suggest that SEVERAL on this board would rather blame the officers than blame the ones breaking the law. Funny thing is, I guarantee if they were Auburn players, the rhetoric would be a lot different..

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[KrAzY3]

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I believe there was some mention of modern day lynchings and blaming the officers for being overbearing or using questionable probable cause. Not my problem if you didn't read the posts. But those all suggest that SEVERAL on this board would rather blame the officers than blame the ones breaking the law. Funny thing is, I guarantee if they were Auburn players, the rhetoric would be a lot different..

I have followed the thread, and any remarks like that were marginal and minimal. The idea that you'd be upset at the entire fanbase over what an individual said seems a bit of an overreach. We're talking about 30 pages of posts, of course a few stupid things were said (some pretty over the top things were said about the players to). There was certainly no consensus here in that regard, if anything the consensus was that of condemning the Alabama players.

For the record, I do blame the players, I never blamed the officers. Though, to reiterate what they did was a victimless crime (assuming they had no involvement or knowledge of the gun theft). That might be part of the disconnect here, police officers are charged with arresting people who might not have done anything to anyone. Breaking the law yes, harming others? No. So, some people do get defensive over that. That's nothing against the police officers though, it's a problem with the laws and judicial system as a whole.

I don't want to retread over old stuff, but believe you me, there's no collective condemnation of the police officers here, if that's how you interpreted it you were being rather selective in your interpretation.

 

[Airborne Tider]

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The police, and the government in general, are no longer trusted in America. If you don't understand why that is, maybe you should read a little history or take a look at some of the things going on in the US. Being a police officer was once a highly respected job, and the police officer was seen as a hero by many. That time has passed, and the boys in blue had a role to play in the passing.

As for this specific incident - I have seen nothing which would have me doubt the actions of the police. As with the accused, we will just have to wait until all of the facts are exposed - or, at least, whatever facts actually get exposed since we will likely never know exactly what happened and why/how here.

I am quite aware of the history. But to bunch all police officers into one group because of the actions of the small minority is just as bad as any other stereotype out there. Like you said there is absolutely no reason to think that there was any wrongdoing by the officers in the case yet because they are Alabama players we should start throwing out unfounded accusations?

I understand the things going on and trust me I'm well versed in it. Some of those things are a lack of understanding of what the law says about police officers right to use deadly force and some of it is poor judgment and yes some of it is just bad police officers that should be punished for their actions. But that is a a very small number of the millions of police interactions with civilians everyday. I do this job because I love to serve my country. I was in the military, worked corrections, and police work. I love to serve, and to be immediately assumed to be some racist government robot is unfair and insulting. How about we judge every situation by the facts of that situation and not turn it into something that it's not?

There is no job with more of a burden of decision making than a police officer. Even the military. In the Army it was very clear when we were going out on a mission to specifically kill someone. As a police officer I NEVER leave the station knowing that today will be the day I am going to kill someone. We are thrown into split second decisions that could mean the difference between life or death for us or members of the public. It is a great burden to bear and one that I caution people from criticizing too much if they have never been in that situation. That's the reason the Supreme Court judges cases of use of force on what a reasonable POLICE OFFICER would do in a situation like that. We aren't expected to be perfect, just reasonable.

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[Airborne Tider]

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So you are lumping all the fanbase together because a few bad fans are lumping together al cops because of a few bad cops. Got it.

Anyway if you are going to come on the internet and claim moral high ground for ALL cops, you probably should just go back biting your tongue.

Nope. I think I'll stay now.

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[Airborne Tider]

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I have followed the thread, and any remarks like that were marginal and minimal. The idea that you'd be upset at the entire fanbase over what an individual said seems a bit of an overreach. We're talking about 30 pages of posts, of course a few stupid things were said (some pretty over the top things were said about the players to). There was certainly no consensus here in that regard, if anything the consensus was that of condemning the Alabama players.

For the record, I do blame the players, I never blamed the officers. Though, to reiterate what they did was a victimless crime (assuming they had no involvement or knowledge of the gun theft). That might be part of the disconnect here, police officers are charged with arresting people who might not have done anything to anyone. Breaking the law yes, harming others? No. So, some people do get defensive over that. That's nothing against the police officers though, it's a problem with the laws and judicial system as a whole.

I don't want to retread over old stuff, but believe you me, there's no collective condemnation of the police officers here, if that's how you interpreted it you were being rather selective in your interpretation.

Yes I agree. The posts were in the minority but I did not see a lot of condemnation about some of the more outlandish statements. I apologize to anyone that was offended by that statement but instead of quoting everyone of them I made the statement and hopefully the ones who made those statements will read my response.

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[PDL]

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Yes I agree. The posts were in the minority but I did not see a lot of condemnation about some of the more outlandish statements. I apologize to anyone that was offended by that statement but instead of quoting everyone of them I made the statement and hopefully the ones who made those statements will read my response.

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That's fair enough.

 

[KrAzY3]

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By the way, since we have a police officer here I thought may be I would bring something up said earlier. Someone asked about one of the guns being in a player's lap and wondered why he didn't try to hide it or something.

My advice would be, if you have a firearm, legal or illegal, and you see a policeman heading towards you the last thing on earth you should ever do is reach for it, for any reason. The thing to do, for your safety and the safety of the officer is to make both of your hands clearly visible and inform him first chance you get that you have a weapon. Airborne might have something else to say about that, but I'd say one of the smarter things out of the stupid things the players did was leave the gun in the lap.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

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Good advice. I think the point of the other poster was there would seem to be time to move the gun between the point a patrol car pulls up and an officer approaches the car.

In the meantime, I appreciate the comments of AT and the criminal defense attorneys on the board. Makes for a fuller perspective.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

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Everyone here seems to assume that Cam and Hootie are guilty as charged. I would like to offer an alternative hypothesis:

1. I imagine that Cam and Hootie are not popular among a certain segment of the Monroe population, perhaps including some law enforcement officers. They spurned LSU to go to a hated rival. And to top it off, Cam has been very successful at said rival.
2. Young black men in many small rural communities in the South are not the most popular people with a certain segment of the population, perhaps including some law enforcement officers. And young black men who are going to be making a whole lot of money soon are even less popular with this group. I believe that the historical term is "uppity".
3. Cam and Hootie were out late at night in a small town in Louisiana, not a good decision. They were parked in a local park. A member of Monroe's finest, a member of one or both of the groups mentioned above approaches the car. He "smells marijuana" and asks both to step out of the vehicle. Then having "smelled marijuana" he is given probable cause to search the vehicle. He "finds" two guns, one of which is stolen, together with a bag of marijuana. Things that were not in fact in the vehicle until he began to "search" for them. Serious charges follow.

This could just be a modern day lynching. Nothing more.

Any facts to back this up? To quote one of my favorite TV lines, "It COULD have been little green men from Mars...but the facts don't support that."

I know some police have gone over the line. Far more put their lives on the line and deal with situations we don't want to, every day, for not a lot of pay, so we can sleep soundly.

So...any facts relevant to this incident, or is this pure speculation?

 

[81usaf92]

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I believe there was some mention of modern day lynchings and blaming the officers for being overbearing or using questionable probable cause. Not my problem if you didn't read the posts. But those all suggest that SEVERAL on this board would rather blame the officers than blame the ones breaking the law. Funny thing is, I guarantee if they were Auburn players, the rhetoric would be a lot different..

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Krazy beat me to it so my response is basically everything he said. For the record I've been on the side of we should wait and see what the DA is going to do, and the cop did his job and cam didn't.

 

[rgw]

Re: Cam Robinson Arrested

I don't believe marijuana should be criminalized but it is the law and you assume the according risk when using it in a public area.

 

[Airborne Tider]

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Krazy beat me to it so my response is basically everything he said. For the record I've been on the side of we should wait and see what the DA is going to do, and the cop did his job and cam didn't.

And I agree one hundred percent. No need to throw these kids to the wolves. Yes it seems they messed up, but just like I believe in police officers I believe in the justice system, so let's let it run its course before we hold public executions.

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[Airborne Tider]

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By the way, since we have a police officer here I thought may be I would bring something up said earlier. Someone asked about one of the guns being in a player's lap and wondered why he didn't try to hide it or something.

My advice would be, if you have a firearm, legal or illegal, and you see a policeman heading towards you the last thing on earth you should ever do is reach for it, for any reason. The thing to do, for your safety and the safety of the officer is to make both of your hands clearly visible and inform him first chance you get that you have a weapon. Airborne might have something else to say about that, but I'd say one of the smarter things out of the stupid things the players did was leave the gun in the lap.

I would have to understand the exact circumstances. We have performed operations similar to this where we used plained clothes officers to get close to the vehicle without rousing suspicion as well as parking the patrol car around the corner and walking up to the car. That could be how they caught him off guard. Or maybe Hootie had fallen asleep. It's hard to tell without seeing the arresting officer's report. But either way the officers were well within their legal authority to detain both men while they conducted the investigation if they were in the park after closing hours.

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[CHATTBRIT]

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And I agree one hundred percent. No need to throw these kids to the wolves. Yes it seems they messed up, but just like I believe in police officers I believe in the justice system, so let's let it run its course before we hold public executions.

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Ditto!

One major contributing factor to "death by police" is that the individuals involved did not obey the police officers' instructions. I am certainly not suggesting they deserved a death sentence, but, unfortunately, it was the end result. One thing I've always taught my kids that if they ever got into a situation where they were to be arrested (thank God that has not happened) that they are to comply fully with the officers' instructions and ask for an attorney immediately. In this way, they could not be brow beaten into a false confession like so many currently in our prison system. Thankfully, Cam & Hootie complied and their case will be adjudicated. Hopefully, these two young men will get a second chance and will reach their potential. After all the legal proceedings are complete, they still have to meet with CNS.

 

[Airborne Tider]

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Ditto!

One major contributing factor to "death by police" is that the individuals involved did not obey the police officers' instructions. I am certainly not suggesting they deserved a death sentence, but, unfortunately, it was the end result. One thing I've always taught my kids that if they ever got into a situation where they were to be arrested (thank God that has not happened) that they are to comply fully with the officers' instructions and ask for an attorney immediately. In this way, they could not be brow beaten into a false confession like so many currently in our prison system. Thankfully, Cam & Hootie complied and their case will be adjudicated. Hopefully, these two young men will get a second chance and will reach their potential. After all the legal proceedings are complete, they still have to meet with CNS.

That is fantastic advice. Let it get worked out in court. NEVER try to fight the police on the street, even if they are wrong.

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[TIDE-HSV]

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That is fantastic advice. Let it get worked out in court. NEVER try to fight the police on the street, even if they are wrong.

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In fact, be as nice as you possibly can, using "sir." OTOH, I don't believe for a moment that they had a gun lying in a lap or a bag of weed lying openly on the floorboard...