Cam Robinson Arrested (UPDATE: No charges due to lack of evidence)

[Airborne Tider]

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In fact, be as nice as you possibly can, using "sir." OTOH, I don't believe for a moment that they had a gun lying in a lap or a bag of weed lying openly on the floorboard...

I have to believe the officer's had no reason to lie until it's proven otherwise. If they are lying on the arrest report then they need to be fired immediately. One thing I was told from day one on the force... never lie, no matter what.

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[NationalTitles18]

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If they lied the officers need to be immediately fired and then immediately arrested. While it would help these kids and my favorite team if they did lie, it would also be yet more evidence of a much bigger and infinitely more important problem if that was the case.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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I have to believe the officer's had no reason to lie until it's proven otherwise. If they are lying on the arrest report then they need to be fired immediately. One thing I was told from day one on the force... never lie, no matter what.

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I'm sorry. I do not accept the proposition that no officers lie, ever. They are not some form of superhuman angel. I have not only practiced law for over 50 years, I have had close friendships with LEOs of many decades of experience. I have had conversations stretching far into the night on exactly this point. As a consequence of what I've learned, when I see something highly improbable, I make the logical assumption that the report may have been fictionalized a bit, for the greater good, of course. It happens, and no amount of stating it doesn't will change that. That said, I'm glad you believe and conduct yourself as you do and I'm sorry if my attitude steps on your toes...

 

[Airborne Tider]

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I'm sorry. I do not accept the proposition that no officers lie, ever. They are not some form of superhuman angel. I have not only practiced law for over 50 years, I have had close friendships with LEOs of many decades of experience. I have had conversations stretching far into the night on exactly this point. As a consequence of what I've learned, when I see something highly improbable, I make the logical assumption that the report may have been fictionalized a bit, for the greater good, of course. It happens, and no amount of stating it doesn't will change that. That said, I'm glad you believe and conduct yourself as you do and I'm sorry if my attitude steps on your toes...

I never said officers do not lie. In fact I said they should be fired if they do. As a lawyer you know that just like a witness or a victim, a law enforcement officer's testimony is assumed to be truthful and we have a obligation to do that. If we are proven to been untruthful in an official capacity then we can be barred from ever testifying in court which means you might as well find another career. So I will restate, if police officers lie they should be punished, and this account is not that hard to believe. I can assure you that I have seen much dumber ways of getting caught with guns and drugs. You are making an assumption based off zero facts, I don't have the luxury of doing that as a police officer. Sorry if that steps on your toes..

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[Airborne Tider]

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I never said officers do not lie. In fact I said they should be fired if they do. As a lawyer you know that just like a witness or a victim, a law enforcement officer's testimony is assumed to be truthful and we have a obligation to do that. If we are proven to been untruthful in an official capacity then we can be barred from ever testifying in court which means you might as well find another career. So I will restate, if police officers lie they should be punished, and this account is not that hard to believe. I can assure you that I have seen much dumber ways of getting caught with guns and drugs. You are making an assumption based off zero facts, I don't have the luxury of doing that as a police officer. Sorry if that steps on your toes..

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And to add on to this I don't see why the officer would need to lie about the placement of the gun. If he had plain smell of marijuana then the car was going to get searched anyway. He didn't need to church it up and say the gun was in Hootie's lap. So just like so many have said why don't we not make assumptions about the players but also not about the officers until the case works itself out. Let's see if Hootie even refutes the claim that it was in his lap. I don't think that's too much to ask. I won't disrespect the players but I ask that everyone try to refrain from disrespecting the officers until there is a reason to do so.

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[Chukker Veteran]

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He didn't need to church it up and say the gun was in Hootie's lap....Let's see if Hootie even refutes the claim that it was in his lap. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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If the guys were in the park after it was closed I think that's enough for the cops to search them. I don't think they needed the pot or guns in plain sight to see if they could find something on them they could arrest them for.

If the things were out of sight but the cops said they were in plain view, it would only get the players in worse trouble to accuse the cops of lying when they knew they were going to be convicted anyway.

That's just my best guess, I certainly could be wrong.

"church it up"...that's an interesting term I've never heard before. It's meaning is very clear.

 

[Airborne Tider]

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If the guys were in the park after it was closed I think that's enough for the cops to search them. I don't think they needed the pot or guns in plain sight to see if they could find something on them they could arrest them for.

If the things were out of sight but the cops said they were in plain view, it would only get the players in worse trouble to accuse the cops of lying when they knew they were going to be convicted anyway.

That's just my best guess, I certainly could be wrong.

I think the moderators have the right to step on toes, but I'm not sure that right extends to regular posters.

No they would not have been able search based on just a closure violation. Legally that's not enough to get them into the car. The smell of marijuana is. The gun could be but that depends on Louisiana gun laws. I don't know the laws there but I would say it's a pretty good bet that there is nothing wrong having a gun out in the open in your car.

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[TIDE-HSV]

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I never said officers do not lie. In fact I said they should be fired if they do. As a lawyer you know that just like a witness or a victim, a law enforcement officer's testimony is assumed to be truthful and we have a obligation to do that. If we are proven to been untruthful in an official capacity then we can be barred from ever testifying in court which means you might as well find another career. So I will restate, if police officers lie they should be punished, and this account is not that hard to believe. I can assure you that I have seen much dumber ways of getting caught with guns and drugs. You are making an assumption based off zero facts, I don't have the luxury of doing that as a police officer. Sorry if that steps on your toes..

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Well, that was about what I expected. I assume that either or both may be lying. Part of my training. Now, let's drop this. I understand your position...

 

[Airborne Tider]

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Well, that was about what I expected. I assume that either or both may be lying. Part of my training. Now, let's drop this. I understand your position...

Sounds good. Thanks.

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[Maudiemae]

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I am quite aware of the history. But to bunch all police officers into one group because of the actions of the small minority is just as bad as any other stereotype out there. Like you said there is absolutely no reason to think that there was any wrongdoing by the officers in the case yet because they are Alabama players we should start throwing out unfounded accusations?

I understand the things going on and trust me I'm well versed in it. Some of those things are a lack of understanding of what the law says about police officers right to use deadly force and some of it is poor judgment and yes some of it is just bad police officers that should be punished for their actions. But that is a a very small number of the millions of police interactions with civilians everyday. I do this job because I love to serve my country. I was in the military, worked corrections, and police work. I love to serve, and to be immediately assumed to be some racist government robot is unfair and insulting. How about we judge every situation by the facts of that situation and not turn it into something that it's not?

There is no job with more of a burden of decision making than a police officer. Even the military. In the Army it was very clear when we were going out on a mission to specifically kill someone. As a police officer I NEVER leave the station knowing that today will be the day I am going to kill someone. We are thrown into split second decisions that could mean the difference between life or death for us or members of the public. It is a great burden to bear and one that I caution people from criticizing too much if they have never been in that situation. That's the reason the Supreme Court judges cases of use of force on what a reasonable POLICE OFFICER would do in a situation like that. We aren't expected to be perfect, just reasonable.

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I agree with you 100 percent. No, we can't assume the worst about ALL police due to the actions of a few. And I also think cops live with uncertainty and great danger. The thing is I didn't see many posts in this thread blaming or disparaging the police. The far greater percentage of us have been debating over what the players did and what we think should be done about it.

 

[Airborne Tider]

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I agree with you 100 percent. No, we can't assume the worst about ALL police due to the actions of a few. And I also think cops live with uncertainty and great danger. The thing is I didn't see many posts in this thread blaming or disparaging the police. The far greater percentage of us have been debating over what the players did and what we think should be done about it.

I won't rehash the debate out of respect for Earle but there was definitely some choice words questioning police action without any facts to back them up. Let's hold judgment on all parties involved until the case is resolved.

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[Maudiemae]

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I won't rehash the debate out of respect for Earle but there was definitely some choice words questioning police action without any facts to back them up. Let's hold judgment on all parties involved until the case is resolved.

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We need to do that anyway since none of us know much about what happened. I think we all get worked up because bad news hits and then, there's nothing we, as fans, can do about it except blab and guess. And somewhere along the line, we get testy with each other! Off season. Ain't it great?

 

[Bamaro]

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We need to do that anyway since none of us know much about what happened. I think we all get worked up because bad news hits and then, there's nothing we, as fans, can do about it except blab and guess. And somewhere along the line, we get testy with each other! Off season. Ain't it great?

Yup, 423 posts so far and noting more is known since day one.

 

[AUDub]

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We need to do that anyway since none of us know much about what happened. I think we all get worked up because bad news hits and then, there's nothing we, as fans, can do about it except blab and guess. And somewhere along the line, we get testy with each other! Off season. Ain't it great?

Welcome to the Internet. I'll take your hat and coat.

 

[bamabelle1991]

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Yes, I agree, it's society's fault. Thank goodness we have reached a time in this country where personal responsibility is a thing of the past.

Who said anything about this being "society's fault?" I sure didn't. But you did.

 

[bamabelle1991]

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If the guys were in the park after it was closed I think that's enough for the cops to search them. I don't think they needed the pot or guns in plain sight to see if they could find something on them they could arrest them for.

If the things were out of sight but the cops said they were in plain view, it would only get the players in worse trouble to accuse the cops of lying when they knew they were going to be convicted anyway.

That's just my best guess, I certainly could be wrong.

"church it up"...that's an interesting term I've never heard before. It's meaning is very clear.

A park with "hours" needs to have gates on the entrances and exits, otherwise, it is not really "closed." The mere location of a car in a public place at 2am may or may not indicate a reason for a Terry Stop (stop and frisk). A box truck behind a furniture store at 3am loading furniture would be a legitimate reason for a Terry Stop. The park Robinson and Jones were in may or may not be such a location. If it is a high crime area, probably a legitimate reason for a stop. If not, and there were no closed entrances and exits, then I would certainly argue that the Terry Stop was an illegal search and seizure. The "smell of marijuana" excuse is widely used when there is no other reason to perform a traffic stop. Any LEO who denies this is telling a fib. Like I said before, a high percentage of the time the smell is legit--either from just having smoked in the car or just having a car that smells like a weed ashtray.

As for LEO's who lie on police reports, it most definitely happens. Sometimes, it is just in the form of an "embellished" story. I've seen it a few times in my 12 years of being a juvenile defense attorney. The good thing is, it happens rarely, but IMO, once is too much. All of the LEO I deal with personally in my job are top notch men and women. But, let's be honest here. All humans have the capacity to lie in a CYA situation.

Another thing to remember regarding Terry stops is that a lot of them probably result in nothing. In this case, it resulted in weed and guns. But anyone in 2016 who tries to refute that being black, in a fancy car, in a closed park isn't an invitation for an illegal search is kidding yourself.

 

[Bazza]

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Welcome to the Internet. I'll take your hat and coat.

I'll be here all week....don't forget to tip your bartender!

 

[KrAzY3]

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I almost couldn't help myself and started to post an imaginary conversation explaining to a framer of the Bill of Rights how smelling a plant could be cause for a search. I stopped myself though, you all should be proud of me.

 

[gtowntide]

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I bought the SEC magazines (Athlon and Lindy's) this afternoon. I was looking at all the preseason All American lists and of course Cam is on both. I realize these were published before this incident, but I couldn't help but think that if this ends badly what an incredible waste of talent this will be. Before anyone calls me Captain Obvious, seeing his name on all these lists just drove it home to me just how serious this is. Smoking a little weed is just not worth it.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

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Maybe we need to put timeout on this until more details come forth. This is getting silly at this point.