Can Brian Kelly and LSU win it all?

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Can Brian Kelly and LSU win it all?

In his fourth season with the program, the coach is facing pressure to win a national championship.

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BamaMoon

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Well, Ed Orgeron won one there so anything is possible.
Yeah, but he had hardly nothing to do with that. They had a generation team that year that you or I could have coached to a winning season.

As for Kelly, he is one of the most smug personalities I've ever seen. I don't say this about too many people, but he just has NO character traits that I like. NONE!

But yeah, they could win it all with annual talent that is better than 95% of all the programs in the country.
 

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Yeah, but he had hardly nothing to do with that. They had a generation team that year that you or I could have coached to a winning season.
So you're saying there is a chance I could win a national championship? Thanks!
Obviously, I agree. He was in charge of that program the way the rodeo rider is "in charge" of the bronco. He's sitting on top, but that horse is going wherever it wants.
 

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Yeah, but he had hardly nothing to do with that. They had a generation team that year that you or I could have coached to a winning season.
But here's where I have a problem with this level of analysis, and I don't disagree with the general point being made. But we can't have this argument both ways.

If a coach is awful and his team is 3-9, he gets blamed for it and - in the SEC - probably fired. We can't say that if a coach gets fired he deserved it but not give him at least SOME credit for WINNING. Even if one wants to go with the argument "but coaching staff, but Joe Burrow," the guy in charge who is "responsible" if they lose has to get some credit if they win. All of it, no.

And YES - mediocre head coaches can win championships.
Does anyone really think Barry Switzer was even minimally passable as an NFL coach? Does anyone believe that Gene Chizik, Bobby Ross, Larry Coker, or Orgeron were really all that great? When Coker imploded, everyone wanted to say, "well, he was okay when he inherited Butch Davis's players."

Excuse me, but what the hell has Butch Davis done? He was 103-75 as a head coach (I'm giving him the wins the NCAA took away for academic misconduct), but take away his 11-1 season in 2000 that was obviously an anomaly and he's 92-74 (.554), meaning his average year was 6.6-5.4.

So Larry Coker was no great shakes, and Butch Davis proved his ineptitude over and over again (he was 24-35 in the NFL and blew a huge lead in his only playoff game)....and yet somehow they managed to compile what a lot of folks insist was the greatest college team ever.

So yes, I would put Orgeron in that category of coaches who were basically .500 schlubs who caught lightning in a bottle with the right staff or right recruits or both plus some schedule luck. But he has to get some credit for it, too; unless the entire coaching staff was picked by the school administration and the recruits came there because of that, Orgeron gets some credit.

It's like the old "Belichick never won anything without Tom Brady."

OK, fine.

But who drafted Tom Brady?
Who stuck with Tom Brady when his starting (and pretty good) QB came back healthy and won the AFC championship to make the Super Bowl?

I'm willing to call it lightning in a bottle for a one-time champion, but Belichick won a bunch of Super Bowls with a quarterback who has probably no HOF teammates on his side of the ball in the Super Bowl years at the helm, too.
 
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selmaborntidefan

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I think Kelly>>>>Orgeron, but the system that enabled Orgeron to win, it has been dramatically modified to the point I don’t think Kelly will be able to do it.
 

Joefus

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I think he certainly COULD and is capable of it but I don’t see it happening with this team. They aren’t elite in several areas you simply have to be to win it all. Def secondary and LB. Qb, rb, o line. A lot things would have to go perfectly for them and awfully for several other teams

Kelly isn’t a bad coach but if he couldn’t pull it off with a heisman winner he dang sure ain’t doing it with nuss
 
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I think Kelly is a very good coach. I agree that he is also an ill fit in Baton Rouge.

They're capable of winning it with him coaching. I'm just not sold on their development defensively since he's been there.
 

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I could actually see Krlly stumble into a title. The game has a history of bone heads winning a championship. Do I want him to win a title? No. Could he win a title? Yeah. I rather see him continue to wet the bed in big games.