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Its On A Slab said:
I'm gonna continue my old-fart-get-off-my-lawn persona on this subject, but it is a fair bet that, 50 years from now, people are not going to be talking about Kendrick Lamarn or Bad Bunny in the same way we talk about George Harrison, Zeppelin, The Beatles.

I tried to watch Kendrick Lamar last year, and all I saw was a big load of unrhythmic crap. My high school kids (both fans) complained that he wasn't allowed to curse, and that he wore jeans.
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I'll tell you what's funny about this.

When I first became familiar with Don McLean, I saw an interview he'd done in the late fall of 1987 and he pointed out that we could remember songs that did not chart from 15-20 or more years ago but the almost nobody except music aficionados could tell you what song was #1 six months earlier in 1987. He further noted that even of those we could remember six months later, how many would we really remember five years later?

The song that was in my mind because it had been #1 six months earlier was the Club Nouveau version of "Lean On Me." Hey, it was an okay song even if Bill Withers's version was only around 6.02 x10(23 power) better than theirs.

But how many people TODAY even recall that song?
And how many today WHO WERE NOT AROUND for that song even know about it?

I'd say very few.

But everybody knows tunes like "Surfin' USA", "That'll Be The Day," "Bridge Over Troubled Water," and "Sultans of Swing."
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
I'll tell you what's funny about this.

When I first became familiar with Don McLean, I saw an interview he'd done in the late fall of 1987 and he pointed out that we could remember songs that did not chart from 15-20 or more years ago but the almost nobody except music aficionados could tell you what song was #1 six months earlier in 1987. He further noted that even of those we could remember six months later, how many would we really remember five years later?

The song that was in my mind because it had been #1 six months earlier was the Club Nouveau version of "Lean On Me." Hey, it was an okay song even if Bill Withers's version was only around 6.02 x10(23 power) better than theirs.

But how many people TODAY even recall that song?
And how many today WHO WERE NOT AROUND for that song even know about it?

I'd say very few.

But everybody knows tunes like "Surfin' USA", "That'll Be The Day," "Bridge Over Troubled Water," and "Sultans of Swing."
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To be fair, covers are rarely as well-regarded as the originals. Some are, but they're few and far between.

That said, the 80's yielded an incredible variety of music that remains very popular today. Even the 90's accomplished some of this, though real homogenization started by the late 90's.
 
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crimsonaudio said:
To be fair, covers are rarely as well-regarded as the originals. Some are, but they're few and far between.

That said, the 80's yielded an incredible variety of music that remains very popular today. Even the 90's accomplished some of this, though real homogenization started by the late 90's.
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True on covers (unless we are talking about the great Linda Ronstadt), but okay, let's look at the number ones from 1987. And sure, you and I could probably no doubt recall the time and place.


But...what's iconic? To drive the point home, titles only. What by folks born in, say, 1998 from 1987 is well-known by a majority of them?

Walk Like An Egyptian - oh that video......
Shake You Down - no
At This Moment - no; the folks who saw Family Ties remember it well
Open Your Heart - no
Living on a Prayer - maybe this one
Jacob's Ladder - no
Lean On Me - not the Club No-No version, but I get what you're saying here
Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now
I Knew You Were Waiting For Me
I Just Died In Your Arms
With Or Without You - possibly
You Keep Me Hangin' On - another remake
Always
I Wanna Dance With Somebody
Head To Toe
Alone
Shakedown
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (don't play this at your wedding btw)
Who's That Girl?
La Bama (wow, a third remake but probably better remembered than the original)
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Didn't We Almost Have It All?
Here I Go Again - possibly
Lost In Emotion
Bad
I Think We're Alone Now - good Lord, I didn't realize at the time we're up to four covers at #1
Mony Mony - I mean five.....
I've Had The Time of My Life
Heaven Is A Place on Earth
Faith

So MAYBE three songs that last years later: Here I Go Again (Whitesnake), Living On A Prayer (Bon Jovi), and POSSIBLY With Or Without You (U2) would be iconic. (I'm not arguing good or bad).

Now compare that with just 20 years earlier:
I'm A Believer
Kind Of A Drag
Ruby Tuesday
Love Is Here And Now You're Gone
Penny Lane
Happy Together
Somethin' Stupid
Groovin'
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Windy
Light My Fire
All You Need Is Love
Ode To Billy Joe
The Letter
To Sir With Love
Incense And Peppermints
Daydream Believer
Hello Goodbye


And this is just the small sample size of number ones.

Of course, PART of the problem is that there's a whole lot more music overall today than there was, so that does play a role.

McLean was waxing nostalgic when he wrote "American Pie" and had somewhat similar feelings about Buddy Holly in particular (he mused that by 1964 you could barely find a Holly tune anywhere but a jukebox).

But his overall point IN GENERAL was true in 1987 and more true now, too.
 
crimsonaudio said:
To be fair, covers are rarely as well-regarded as the originals. Some are, but they're few and far between.

That said, the 80's yielded an incredible variety of music that remains very popular today. Even the 90's accomplished some of this, though real homogenization started by the late 90's.
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I'm all about covers. Done well covers. And change up the arrangement.

Like Johnny Cash's version of Nine Inch Nails' "Hurt".
 
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Its On A Slab said:
I'm all about covers. Done well covers. And change up the arrangement.

Like Johnny Cash's version of Nine Inch Nails' "Hurt".
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I had no idea until about six weeks ago that Joan Jett's "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" was a cover.

The Carpenters did "Ticket To Ride" better than the Beatles did.

But I getcha.

(ain't it great we're talking about different stuff than the guy who got killed?)
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
True on covers (unless we are talking about the great Linda Ronstadt), but okay, let's look at the number ones from 1987. And sure, you and I could probably no doubt recall the time and place.


But...what's iconic? To drive the point home, titles only. What by folks born in, say, 1998 from 1987 is well-known by a majority of them?

Walk Like An Egyptian - oh that video......
Shake You Down - no
At This Moment - no; the folks who saw Family Ties remember it well
Open Your Heart - no
Living on a Prayer - maybe this one
Jacob's Ladder - no
Lean On Me - not the Club No-No version, but I get what you're saying here
Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now
I Knew You Were Waiting For Me
I Just Died In Your Arms
With Or Without You - possibly
You Keep Me Hangin' On - another remake
Always
I Wanna Dance With Somebody
Head To Toe
Alone
Shakedown
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (don't play this at your wedding btw)
Who's That Girl?
La Bama (wow, a third remake but probably better remembered than the original)
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Didn't We Almost Have It All?
Here I Go Again - possibly
Lost In Emotion
Bad
I Think We're Alone Now - good Lord, I didn't realize at the time we're up to four covers at #1
Mony Mony - I mean five.....
I've Had The Time of My Life
Heaven Is A Place on Earth
Faith

So MAYBE three songs that last years later: Here I Go Again (Whitesnake), Living On A Prayer (Bon Jovi), and POSSIBLY With Or Without You (U2) would be iconic. (I'm not arguing good or bad).

Now compare that with just 20 years earlier:
I'm A Believer
Kind Of A Drag
Ruby Tuesday
Love Is Here And Now You're Gone
Penny Lane
Happy Together
Somethin' Stupid
Groovin'
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Windy
Light My Fire
All You Need Is Love
Ode To Billy Joe
The Letter
To Sir With Love
Incense And Peppermints
Daydream Believer
Hello Goodbye


And this is just the small sample size of number ones.

Of course, PART of the problem is that there's a whole lot more music overall today than there was, so that does play a role.

McLean was waxing nostalgic when he wrote "American Pie" and had somewhat similar feelings about Buddy Holly in particular (he mused that by 1964 you could barely find a Holly tune anywhere but a jukebox).

But his overall point IN GENERAL was true in 1987 and more true now, too.
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1987 was an awful year for music 🤣
 
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Benson Boone does one cover during each show of his current tour. He nails the covers. You can see most of them on YT. Whether you like his music or not, this kid has some real talent.

I actually enjoy his music. I took my 2 daughters to his concert in Atlanta last month, and his cover that night was "Lose Control" by Teddy Swims. Benson crushed it.

selmaborntidefan said:
The song that was in my mind because it had been #1 six months earlier was the Club Nouveau version of "Lean On Me." Hey, it was an okay song even if Bill Withers's version was only around 6.02 x10(23 power) better than theirs.
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You haven't heard "Lean On Me" until you have heard the D.C. Talk version.
 
selmaborntidefan said:
I had no idea until about six weeks ago that Joan Jett's "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" was a cover.

The Carpenters did "Ticket To Ride" better than the Beatles did.

But I getcha.

(ain't it great we're talking about different stuff than the guy who got killed?)
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For years I thought The Night they drove Old Dixie Down was a Joan Baez original.
 
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Crimson1967 said:
For years I thought The Night they drove Old Dixie Down was a Joan Baez original.
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I can understand why - for the reason 92tide says.

92tide said:
she did a great version of the song
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She really did.

I knew she didn't write it, but she did about as sincere a version as was possible. I mean, the one by The Band was good, but I thought Joan did it better.
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
I had no idea until about six weeks ago that Joan Jett's "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" was a cover.

The Carpenters did "Ticket To Ride" better than the Beatles did.

But I getcha.

(ain't it great we're talking about different stuff than the guy who got killed?)
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Charlie would approve. I even heard from Squeaky Fromme and even she adores a good cover.

She also verified that he don't surf. :D
 
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