Clemson owns Alabama recruiting?

[RollTideinGA]

I had an interesting conversation with a Clemson fan. He seems to think Clemson owns the state of Alabama because they targeted 4 Alabama players for recruiting and all 4 signed with Clemson. I seem to remember him being mad when Stover, Stabler, Robinson, and Wilson signed with Bama on signing day.

Anyway he claims that the Clemsonites are all excited that they will be able to easily recruit in Alabama because they targeted 4 and got 4. I never heard of these guys, are they great pick ups? I know its all mood point until they actually produce in a game.

Tribble Reese
Jock McKissic
Adrian Kinard
LaDonte Harris

RTR!

 

[Capstone46]

Alabama offered 23 scholarships in the state of Alabama and got 21. We lost one to Fla and one to Georgia. None to the cow college.

 

[Crimson Surfer]

Clemson owns Alabama recruiting?

If that is a question then the answer is no they do not own Alabama recruiting.

If that is a statement with a misplaced question mark then it is an incorrect statement.

I am not even sure that Clemson owns South Carolina recruiting much less Alabama recruiting.

Tell the Clemsonites that three of those four players were not even offered a scholarship by Alabama.

Tribble Reese is good QB and he looked really good in the all-star game winning the MVP. Alabama didn't recruit Reese. And he wouldn't have even played in the all-star game if the first two invited QBs J. P. Wilson and Patrick White would have been able to play.

Bama signed QB J. P. Wilson and he is considered a better QB than Reese. J. P. Wilson is a 2004 Parade All-American. Wilson was considered the best QB in Alabama this year.

Tibble Reese profile

Jacquez McKissic did look good in the all-star game. McKissic was not recruited by Bama. Bama signed four higher rated defensive linemen from Alabama. They are Justin Britt, Kevin Hamilton, Jeramie Holifield, and Travis McCall TE/DE. Bama also signed two other defensive linemen from out of state Lorenzo Washington and Brandon Fanney that are rated higher than McKissic.

McKissic profile

Adrian Kindred was not pursued by Bama after they offered him early last year. He ended up with only two scholarship offers. Bama signed four other defensive backs from Alabama that are rated higher than Kindred. They are Simeon Castille, Marcus Carter, Travis Robinson, and Aaron McDaniel.

Adrian Kindred profile

LaDonte Harris was not recruited by Bama. Bama signed six other wide receivers that are higher rated than Harris. Nikita Stover, Ezekial Knight, and Marcel Stamps are from Alabama. D. J. Hall, Keith Brown, and Will Oakley are from Florida.

La'Donte Harris profile

These Clemson signees weren't just missed by Bama recruiting they were evaluated and three of the four were not even offered scholarships.



[This message has been edited by Crimson Surfer (edited 06-07-2004).]

 

[Whammer Jammer]

Yes and I own Ali...Whammer in round 3!

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[wastedmason]

Thats funny! Clemson owning the state of Alabama in recruiting? Who the hell is Clemson? Maybe they out recruited the barn in this state. Maybe thats what they are referring to.

 

[Bama Torch in Pcola]

I never will forget Lewis Grizzard calling Clemson Auburn with a lake. If the Clemson people want to believe they own Alabama I don't have a problem with that. I'm willing to let them own it every year as long as we sign classes like we did this year. Still, for the next few years I'll think of Phillip Rivers every time we let a quarterback go to the ACC.

 

[SCrammerjammer]

Clempson owns nothing from Alabama but a glad-on for Danny Ford.

Clempson DOES own UTee.

 

[pluckngrit]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SCrammerjammer:
Clempson owns nothing from Alabama but a glad-on for Danny Ford.

Clempson DOES own UTee.</font>

and frank howard.

RTR!

 

[TommyMac]

Typical cow college delusion. The allbarn of South Carolina.

Maybe they're so excited because the only football successes they've had were achieved under BAMA guys.

 

[TerryP]

I've dealt with many a Clemson fan in the Carolina's. The quickest way to shut them up is one simple statement, "Clemson, the school Alabama built."

Frank Howard has been mentioned already. He put Clemson on the map. He was born/raised in Alabama, was a member of one of our NC teams and played alongside Coach Bryant.

Danny Ford has been mentioned. You can add Hootie Ingram to that list. Hell, even Bowden is from the state and had a previous coaching stop here under Stallings.

Their famouns IPTAY group? Patterned after TidePride and started by Danny Ford.

It's always struck me funny that when Ford was in the coaching ranks his daughters attended UA.

 

[Just Win]

Tribble Reese has one of the best touches on the ball that I've ever seen. I also saw him hit Joe Jones in stride on a 60 yd bomb against Vestavia in the playoffs that would have put the game out of reach if it wasn't called back because of a holding penalty that was away from the play. On that play he threw the ball 55 yds in the air almost flat footed and it was a perfect spiral. I watched him play all last year, and he is amazing, especially considering that he had to wait until his senior year to get alot of playing time. If JPW is half the QB that Reese is, we got a winner. And don't quote stats to me, I know JPW had all kinds of records. But JPW also had tremendous athletes from a huge pool of students to play with, and Reese had to play with the limited talents around him (not to be politically correct, but you should all know what I'm referring to). Anyway, I'm sure getting JPW will compensate for not getting Reese. RTR!

 

[GOODLIFE47]

There's just something about the fans who wear orange!!! Clemson, what a hick school and their fans are almost as obnoxious as Uten.

 

[imauafan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TerryP:


Danny Ford has been mentioned. You can add Hootie Ingram to that list. Hell, even Bowden is from the state and had a previous coaching stop here under Stallings.

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Sorry to nitpick but Bowden coached under Curry instead of Stallings.

 

[Crimson Surfer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Just Win:
If JPW is half the QB that Reese is, we got a winner. And don't quote stats to me, I know JPW had all kinds of records. But JPW also had tremendous athletes from a huge pool of students to play with, and Reese had to play with the limited talents around him (not to be politically correct, but you should all know what I'm referring to). Anyway, I'm sure getting JPW will compensate for not getting Reese. RTR! </font>

No I don't know what you are referring to. Especially the politically correct part. If you wanted to be politically correct with you sentiment you need to go to the Clemson board. I think that Tribble Reese is a good QB but he is headed to Clemson not Bama. You need to carry your infatuation of Reese on over to the Clemson board were it may be better received.

Bama's signee is John Parker Wilson. Even if he wasn't the better QB which he is, I would like him much better because he chose Bama. Most Bama fans are very happy that Wilson will be playing football at Alabama rather than MLB.

Here are some links on John Parker Wilson with information that you apparently don't know about or simply choose to disregard in your evaluation of him.

1. John Parker Wilson is a 2004 Parade All-American Team member. He is one of only seven QBs nationally to make that team. He has been evaluated far and wide as a better QB than Tribble Reese.

2004 Parade All-America Football Team

2. Wilson was selected to the Alabama Sports Writers Association 2003 All-State football Super 12 Team and All-State Class 6A team. He was also chosen as their Class 6A Back of the Year. Reese was honorable mention 6A.

ASWA 2003 All-State football teams

3. Wilson is the QB on the Birmingham News 2003 Super All-State Team and the 2003 Birmingham News 6A All-State team.

Birmingham News 2002 Super All-State Team

4. Wilson is on the Tuscaloosa News Sweet Sixteen list. Reese is in among the other sixteen.

The Tuscaloosa News Sweet 16

5. Wilson is listed among Alabama's best in the Mobile Register Elite 18. Reese is in the best of the rest on that list.

Mobile Register Elite 18

I could not find nor have I read anything that rated Reese a better QB than Wilson.



[This message has been edited by Crimson Surfer (edited 06-08-2004).]

 

[Just Win]

OK Surfer, calm down. I'm not infatuated with Reese, and I like JPW better because he CHOSE Alabama. I just watched the two and only in my opinion did I think reese was better, but that does not mean that i think JPW is bad. If I rated one as 98 out of 100 and one as 96 out of 100, one is better than the other, but both are talented winners, that's all i meant. And the politically correct part, let me spell it out for you since you may have never been to a Mt. Brook game: All Reese's recievers were white guys, who are generally a step slower and not as athletic. But just by a small margin (before you guys go crazy on the race thing). And I only said "generally", so don't start telling me about the fastest white guy you know. Mt. Brook also has a pool of about 900 students to find their players from, as opposed to 2000+ for Hoover. You guys need to really read these posts all the way through and understand the objectivity before you let the hair stand up on the back of your neck. Roll Tide.

 

[Crimson Surfer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Just Win:
OK Surfer, calm down. I'm not infatuated with Reese, and I like JPW better because he CHOSE Alabama. I just watched the two and only in my opinion did I think reese was better, but that does not mean that i think JPW is bad. If I rated one as 98 out of 100 and one as 96 out of 100, one is better than the other, but both are talented winners, that's all i meant. And the politically correct part, let me spell it out for you since you may have never been to a Mt. Brook game: All Reese's recievers were white guys, who are generally a step slower and not as athletic. But just by a small margin (before you guys go crazy on the race thing). And I only said "generally", so don't start telling me about the fastest white guy you know. Mt. Brook also has a pool of about 900 students to find their players from, as opposed to 2000+ for Hoover. You guys need to really read these posts all the way through and understand the objectivity before you let the hair stand up on the back of your neck. Roll Tide.</font>

Thanks for spelling it out even though I didn't actually need that. I understood exactly what you meant about the type athletes at Hoover and Mountain Brook. I just wasn't going to disagree with that implied assertion until you actually wrote it. You did and now I do disagree with it.

I was born at the University Hospital in Birmingham. I grew up in on the East side Birmingham and went to Banks High School until I moved to Tuscaloosa during my senior year in High School. So you know that I have been to a few Mountain Brook High School football games. One of my best friends graduated from Hoover. I knew exactly what you meant but did not actually say.

I was saying the politically incorrect thing that you "were" saying is that Reese is a better QB than Wilson. I know that is your opinion. You are entitled to that. But that doesn't make it right does it?

Let me remind you that one of the all-star standout wide receivers was Joe Jones. Did the fact that he is white and from Mountain Brook escape you? There were not any black or white wide receivers from Hoover in the all-star game. Actually I have read that quite a few observers thought that Joe Jones was the overall best performer of the all-star game. Reese was the all-star game MVP. So that means that two of the best performers if not the top two best performers from the Alabama all-star team were white athletes from Mountain Brook.

These facts help to disproved your two politically incorrect opinions. Reese had one all-star wide receiver on his team last year to work with. And even with the disadvantage of no all-star receivers on Wilson's team he was able to amass greater passing statistics, set a state passing record, and win the state championship. These facts along with the numerous accolades that I mentioned and linked in the earlier post seem to indicate that Wilson is the better QB.

It is your right to think that Reese is better than Wilson. I don't think many people especially on this board agree with you on that. I disagree with you on both of your points and I stated reasons why I disagree. I think I proved my points. But that is only my opinion.


UPDATE: Clemson may not own Alabama recruiting but they sure like to recruit in Alabama.

Spain Park's Grisham commits to Clemson



[This message has been edited by Crimson Surfer (edited 06-09-2004).]

 

[ThePoloLounge]

This statement just doesn't make any sense.

We signed D.J Hall, Will Oakley and Keith "Mississippi" Brown, all from the Sunshine State, and arguably all are rated higher than the four players Clemson signed from Alabama.

Based on this logic, we owned UF, FSU and Miami in recruiting. Tell your buddy that I'd like whatever he's smoking...

 

[CarolinaTidefan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by UAtlantaTider:
Based on this logic, we owned UF, FSU and Miami in recruiting. Tell your buddy that I'd like whatever he's smoking...</font>

That about sums up this thread. I live in close proximity to that other cow college, so Clemsonites are plentiful around here. They are indeed the Aubies of this state. I know a guy that graduated from Auburn and got his masters from Clemson. He's not a bad guy, but when it comes to football he's the most ignorant man I've ever met. Not only is he ignorantly obnoxious about his football, but his wardrobe is so obnoxious, its almost comical. You know... all those Peach Bowl/Gator Bowl shirts with big cartoon tigers on them. On any given day he wears more orange than I have in my entire closet. Come to think of it, I don't have any orange in my closet. Heck, I even have to turn my Frosted Flakes box around so I don't have to look at that tiger. Forgive me, I digress.
All of you that haven't had the opportunity to meet a Clemson fan, you aren't missing a thing. If you really want to know what one is like, just substitute your least favorite Auburn fan, and there you go.

RTR!!!