I'm 100% with you on this and I'm glad someone had the courage to say this on a public forum.
Coach Saban upset with high expectations
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The truth is they do act like villains sometimes though. This forum is one of the best behaved and can still be a little rough around the edges at times. But, other places? Yeah, the fans can be complete and utter idiots and I don't think that Saban is targeting people who are behaving in a civil manner. Remember, we've had death threats and bricks through windows in the past, these nuts do need a stern talking to from time to time.
I have a different attitude about that, in that Saban does try to coach up the fans. Also, I will say this because I see the whole, why does he care about fans thing from time to time. Things said on this forum have had at least a tiny impact in recruiting! So, when Saban says calm down, or don't leave early, in his mind I think what he's doing what he thinks help the teams win. Why are people so fast to forget he credited fans in the past with helping recruiting? He's credited the fans for supporting the team and being helpful. It can't be a one way street, fans can't have only a positive impact! Why do we as fans only accept praise?
I'm starting to think if Saban has high expectations, everything's great.
If that attitude rubs off on the fans and they feel the same way, well they are being unrealistic.
I get it - if they had played a game with zero mistakes and still got beat by a superior team, there would be some small group of fans for whom that wasn't enough.
That is not what happened the other day. It was a consistent lack of fundamental ball playing that very nearly cost them the game. And it is that same lack of fundamentals that did cost them the game against UM.
That is not what happened the other day. It was a consistent lack of fundamental ball playing that very nearly cost them the game. And it is that same lack of fundamentals that did cost them the game against UM.
I understand your point & agree. The fan base does have good and bad elements, but they come as a package.
When Alabama loses or has a bad showing I don't get myself worked up by going to other sites. I know it will be brutal and refuse to read what the naysayers write. After a few days or another game, things settle down and I go back. Why would the coaches or players put themselves through the criticism that is certain to come?
Cecil's take on the radio...
Saban needs to accept the fan base's high expectations. Get over getting mad about it and move on.
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Goes on to suggest Saban just needs somebody to be mad at. (I think that's called looking for a whipping boy.)
Saban needs to accept the fan base's high expectations. Get over getting mad about it and move on.
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Goes on to suggest Saban just needs somebody to be mad at. (I think that's called looking for a whipping boy.)
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Let me touch few things here and that. I do believe what we as a fan says on any boards can have impact on recruiting.. all it takes for one recruit to have bad experience and go somewhere. I may be wrong, but I think I've heard several recruits over the years that are not from Alabama that have said that Fans here are very critical.
Many of us have said that OL wasn't doing their job, but Saban said they were, just not holding their blocks little longer. Saban said that Defense are playing better as the season goes along, but the fans says otherwise. People complained about how we're blitzing and it's not working, but coaches said it is working. Those are things we do sometime take for granted, and I think everyone is freaking out because of what we went through with other coaches, so we just have to calm down, and be patient with the team. Just because theyre 4 stars and 5 stars doesn't mean it'll guarantee wins. Saban warned us in the spring that this year will be frustrating and rebuilding year. We're starting over. He gave it to us straight. He was honest with us. He had lower expectations and we should've had same thing. It's not fair that we're getting to act like this just because things aren't going well. The offense will figure it out on their own, and Defense will continue to get better. Kicking game will click all without our inputs Sit back and enjoy the season. IF we keep complaining like we are right... he won't be the head of coach at U of A and it'll be our fault.
Many of us have said that OL wasn't doing their job, but Saban said they were, just not holding their blocks little longer. Saban said that Defense are playing better as the season goes along, but the fans says otherwise. People complained about how we're blitzing and it's not working, but coaches said it is working. Those are things we do sometime take for granted, and I think everyone is freaking out because of what we went through with other coaches, so we just have to calm down, and be patient with the team. Just because theyre 4 stars and 5 stars doesn't mean it'll guarantee wins. Saban warned us in the spring that this year will be frustrating and rebuilding year. We're starting over. He gave it to us straight. He was honest with us. He had lower expectations and we should've had same thing. It's not fair that we're getting to act like this just because things aren't going well. The offense will figure it out on their own, and Defense will continue to get better. Kicking game will click all without our inputs
Sit back and enjoy the season. IF we keep complaining like we are right... he won't be the head of coach at U of A and it'll be our fault.
I have no problem if we play well and get beat but I do have a problem when we play like crap and continue to make the same mistakes over and over. We cannot expect to win every game, I understand that 100%.
I have a huge problem when we can't run the ball and make a first down when it's less than a football length. I have a problem when we do not line up in an I formation with Fowler as the FB and Yeldon or Henry are the TB and do not run once in a blue moon. I have a problem when the same mistakes are made over and over again; penalties and mental mistakes. We all realize that things are being worked on in practice on a daily basis to correct those mistakes.
Everybody is frustrated but I am still gonna pull for the Tide no matter what.
I have a huge problem when we can't run the ball and make a first down when it's less than a football length. I have a problem when we do not line up in an I formation with Fowler as the FB and Yeldon or Henry are the TB and do not run once in a blue moon. I have a problem when the same mistakes are made over and over again; penalties and mental mistakes. We all realize that things are being worked on in practice on a daily basis to correct those mistakes.
Everybody is frustrated but I am still gonna pull for the Tide no matter what.
I think you hit it right on the head. Coach Saban preaches how he expects the players to run the right route, do their assignments correctly every time, every game. He is always looking for "the perfect game".
We pay him an incredible amount of money. As the saying goes... the buck stops with him. I completely understand how difficult this must be. It is hard to win a championship, but much harder to keep a bunch of 18-22 year olds focused on winning every week. Even harder when the opponent is from a lower division or conference.
Please do not take this as my bashing Coach Saban. I am not trying to do so, I'm just saying that our (as fans) expectations are incredibly high, because he has these same expectations.
I expect us to win every game. If we don't...then we don't. Like I tell my kids...I want them try their best.
The team has had quite a bit of mistakes. I think that is what most people aren't happy with. Saban needs to realize that.
I say that our defense really tried their best last weekend and we ended up winning an ugly game. So I was happy with that. Not happy with our offense and special teams.
The team has had quite a bit of mistakes. I think that is what most people aren't happy with. Saban needs to realize that.
I say that our defense really tried their best last weekend and we ended up winning an ugly game. So I was happy with that. Not happy with our offense and special teams.
I am torn - a part of me agrees with Saban that the fans just don't seem to appreciate what it takes to win on the road in the SEC anymore. You know that the SEC is the best conference in the country, and you know how tough the SEC West is, but a one point win against Arkansas is a disappointment because Alabama did not play to a standard.
On the other hand, the process is all about playing to a standard and not getting fixated on the scoreboard. Alabama did not play to their standard, and the final score doesn't change that.
My concern really is that this is exactly the type of thing that will push Saban into retirement. Rip him for criticizing the fans and you may just be looking for a replacement.
On the other hand, the process is all about playing to a standard and not getting fixated on the scoreboard. Alabama did not play to their standard, and the final score doesn't change that.
My concern really is that this is exactly the type of thing that will push Saban into retirement. Rip him for criticizing the fans and you may just be looking for a replacement.
True, but I'm willing to give Saban every benefit of the doubt, especially when I can see the point. I mean I read a lot of over some sentiments here, bringing up Dubose and the like. I personally found it frustrating, and I am just a spectator. That's no big deal though, people here know how to behave, but if Alabama loses big to A&M, there's going to be some crazy behavior and may be what Saban said won't help a bit, but I can't blame him for trying.
I was a constant detractor of Mike Shula, I umm... well let's just say my opinion on his performance was so unpleasant that it wasn't welcomed here. I'm not someone that's going to mindlessly backup a coach, but I see logic in what Nick Saban has done, in fact I don't think he does anything without a logical reason and that's why I'm so quick to be supportive. He plans every little detail out, why would I think he gets up there and grumbles just because he's moody? I remember the announcers during the Florida game commenting on why fans were not leaving. Did he rub people the wrong way with what he said? Did his wife rub people the wrong way? Sure, but they also got at least a certain level of results. The thing is, if it's players we expect, well demand they take the criticism and let him coach them. But, if he considers us part of the team's success, and he's made it clear he does, then if he sends a message then I think it's done for a purpose, not to serve some egotistical motivation.
Having said all of that, I do get why a loyal, devoted fan might bristle at criticism. Take crimsonaudio, he's one of the most mature, level headed posters on the forum. He has a right to be indignant at anything that appears to be broad criticism of the fans. I think Saban probably could do a better job at being more specific or perhaps explain more with their criticism.
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I was actually just about to edit something about this into what I said, then you put it fairly well. That's the overarching concern. If Saban said we all needed to wear purple to the game, and if we did that would make him happy, then why the heck shouldn't we wear purple even if that's ridiculous and LSU colors? At this point, he's done so well that I'm willing to accept silly or outrageous demands on his part, he in my opinion earned that right. But, I don't think he's even doing that. On the other hand, I do think we as fans could push him into retirement before he otherwise would want to, and there are some fans that seem to gone back to the whole Alabama's Alabama thing, and forget that so much of the success came under just two head coaches. The next head coach is far more likely to struggle than he is to come close to what Saban has done. I'm in no hurry to go back to 10 wins being the highlight of a coach's career.
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Isn't this mostly CNS's fault?
He said he came to Bama to win Championships (Which he has done, quite efficiently).
He brought a 'Process" that has proven quite successful (when the recruited players buy into it).
He has installed a system and a staff that is second to none (although some of the better ones have, understandingly, moved on to other positions).
Yet, things just do not seem quite right...something is missing...intensity, drive, hunger, the overwhelming desire to dominate, defeat, destroy and hear the lamentations
from the women of Bama's opponents?
I think back to the LSU game of a few years ago, and the picture, late in the fourth quarter, of three LSU defenders laying on the ground in formation it seemed,
while Vlahos was strutting over to his teammates with his head held high. And the phrase "Make their blanks quit!" was attached to this photo. I miss that attitude.
If this team can reconnect with that attitude, they would be able to make an awful lot of blanks quit. IMHO. That's what I felt CNS brought to the program, and I
have every confidence that he can do it again. I think it's just a matter of rediscovering the catalyst that will relight that fire.
Roll Tide!
He said he came to Bama to win Championships (Which he has done, quite efficiently).
He brought a 'Process" that has proven quite successful (when the recruited players buy into it).
He has installed a system and a staff that is second to none (although some of the better ones have, understandingly, moved on to other positions).
Yet, things just do not seem quite right...something is missing...intensity, drive, hunger, the overwhelming desire to dominate, defeat, destroy and hear the lamentations
from the women of Bama's opponents?
I think back to the LSU game of a few years ago, and the picture, late in the fourth quarter, of three LSU defenders laying on the ground in formation it seemed,
while Vlahos was strutting over to his teammates with his head held high. And the phrase "Make their blanks quit!" was attached to this photo. I miss that attitude.
If this team can reconnect with that attitude, they would be able to make an awful lot of blanks quit. IMHO. That's what I felt CNS brought to the program, and I
have every confidence that he can do it again. I think it's just a matter of rediscovering the catalyst that will relight that fire.
Roll Tide!
I think we're evaluating them the same way he is. Was I ticked because of the score or because of how they played relative to how they're capable of playing? It was because of their play relative to how they can/should play, aight!
As others have already said, CNS is just as unhappy, maybe more so, than the fans are at the mistakes this team is making. My take is he's frustrated. Not only at the mistakes, but at the perception that the team just started making these mistakes, and therefore the team is not working hard. In truth, we've made mistakes all year. CNS has pointed those out after each game, but pushback on mistakes were non-existent until last two games.
I don't have any data to back it up, but it sure feels like we've made more mistakes this year than in past 6 years.
Look at the Ole Miss game.....we had over twice as many rush yards as they did; we had nearly the same passing yards as they did; we had more first downs than they did; our T.O.P. was over 7 mins. more than their's. On the other hand, we had 2 critical turnovers, and 5 more penalties than they did. When we're not making mental mistakes, we don't have 2 TO's, and we don't even have 5 penalties, much less 5 more than the competition.
I don't have any data to back it up, but it sure feels like we've made more mistakes this year than in past 6 years.
Look at the Ole Miss game.....we had over twice as many rush yards as they did; we had nearly the same passing yards as they did; we had more first downs than they did; our T.O.P. was over 7 mins. more than their's. On the other hand, we had 2 critical turnovers, and 5 more penalties than they did. When we're not making mental mistakes, we don't have 2 TO's, and we don't even have 5 penalties, much less 5 more than the competition.
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