Coaching Carousel 2024

[BamaMoon]

It was Milroe.
This year was an anomaly for DeBoer. But normal for Milroe.

Milroe had 168 carries this year out of 488 for the team. 34%. Last year Milroe had 29% of the carries.

Last year, Penix had 35 carries out of 411 at Washington. 0.085 %. Almost identical to 2022 carries for him.

Saw this yesterday and went back and read it again.

This explains 2 FULL YEARS OF FRUSTRATION I'VE HAD WITH JM!!!

JM runs the ball 34% of the time. Penix not even 1%!

So looking forward to the full version of CKD's offense with a real QB!!!

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

DeBoer's offense don't hand the ball off much as far as I can tell, plenty of games where the quarterback kept the ball 75% of the time and if you check that happened this season as well (12 hand offs in the Michigan game for example). So, this seems to be as much a feature of his offense he learned from DeBoer as much as anything else.

This is one reason I kind of hope that they bring in an outside person (and why I threw a bit of a fit when another buddy was hired before any offensive staff was replaced) who can establish a balanced offense. Having said that though, Grubb is his guy, if we want to see what a DeBoer offense is supposed to look like then that's who should be the offensive coordinator. So I'm alright with Grubb, just not a huge fan of Sheridan who was brought in to be the tight ends coach but is also a DeBoer disciple, as he is just the less accomplished of the two.

Any statistics that involve Milroe should be discarded.

What were the statistics at Washington?

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

To reiterate, DeBoer's offense is QB centric. It relies heavily on the QB, you mention Penix only had 35 carries right? Well, that still only put him 9 carries behind the #2 rusher.

Once you bake those 35 carries into the 391 rushing attempts (that's the number I get) you come up with this. The quarterback (almost entirely Penix) kept the ball on 63% of the plays. That aligns almost perfectly with the 35% number we saw from the NFL, correct? Well may you said it's Milroe and was an anomaly, let's check it out and see.

So, we do the same thing with Alabama this year and what do we get? We get the quarterback keeping the ball exactly 63% of the time, again. It's DeBoer's offense. It's not Grubb, it's not Milroe, it's the offense.

Milroe's ineffectiveness doesn't change the fact that DeBoer's system is QB centric. Grubb carries that system to the NFL and it does the same thing, Sheridan used it and it does the same thing. That's how it works.

Edit: Just for fun let's do it one more time. How about DeBoer and Grubb's first year at Frenso State. Quarterback kept the ball on 67% of the plays. It's the system...

It absolutely is Milroe! 100%!

 

[The Ols]

Jerod Mayo gets the axe after one year at New England. Hell naw….we ain’t waiting until Monday.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876030228881105174

It was written in his contract the he was the head coach in waiting…hand picked by Kraft. Guessing the Belichick thing happened sooner than they expected and that backfired.
Anyway…if you’re not happy, why let him keep the keys to a team w/a top pick coming and the most cap room? Building now…
Start fresh…I get it.

 

[KrAzY3]

Keep in mind that Sheridan vs Grubb here is also Indiana vs Washington which is a big mismatch.

I wouldn't argue with that, but we also saw DeBoer at Indiana so we do have something to compare it to. I just don't see any data anywhere that indicates Sheridan is an elite OC, but he's the 12th highest paid OC (got a 800,000 raise).

To use a CNS analogy: Penix was a point guard who distributed the ball. JM was a point guard who was a ball hog.

This is to bring things back to where this started, the exact thing that Grubb was criticized for in Seattle. Bamaga said: "Seattles biggest problem was lack of a run game, they ran the ball 35% of the time, lowest in the league.". I can't expect anyone to follow all my posts, but going back years I've been emphasizing the benefits of a strong running (back) game.

Anyway after that post, I basically defended Grubb by detailing that's just how the offense works. To illustrate it in practice though let's look at the Arizona St. game in 2022:

Arizona St. ended the season with 3 wins, they were a very bad team, yet they beat Washington by 7 points. In that game Penix threw the ball 53 times and then was presumably sacked 3 other times, meaning he accounted for 56 plays. This despite playing poorly (0 passing TDs, 1 INT, 107 rating). The counter might be well yeah they had to throw the ball a lot, but did they? The top 3 running backs that game averaged 6.8 yards per run, more than Penix averaged per pass! They scored 4 touchdowns, but still only got 25 carries!

So a struggling Penix keeps the ball 56 times (to throw it), and only hands off 25 times to more effective running backs. It's the same basic thing, the quarterback is accounting for roughly two thirds of the plays and I would add that if you view him as a point guard distributing to the running backs is as important as distributing to the receivers. That loss kept them out of the conference championship game by the way.

Any statistics that involve Milroe should be discarded.

What were the statistics at Washington?

A few posts back I showed basically the same ratios at Indiana under Deboer, and at Fresno St. and Washington. It's a very qb-centric offense and always has been, so of course it looks that way in the NFL as well, which was the intial point I was making.

 

[B1GTide]

Non-related to his firing, but wondering out loud if Mac will possibly get picked up as a starter. What's his contract status with Jacksonville?

Probably not, but possibly as a backup player.

 

[BamaMoon]

I wouldn't argue with that, but we also saw DeBoer at Indiana so we do have something to compare it to. I just don't see any data anywhere that indicates Sheridan is an elite OC, but he's the 12th highest paid OC (got a 800,000 raise).


This is to bring things back to where this started, the exact thing that Grubb was criticized for in Seattle. Bamaga said: "Seattles biggest problem was lack of a run game, they ran the ball 35% of the time, lowest in the league.". I can't expect anyone to follow all my posts, but going back years I've been emphasizing the benefits of a strong running (back) game.

Anyway after that post, I basically defended Grubb by detailing that's just how the offense works. To illustrate it in practice though let's look at the Arizona St. game in 2022:

Arizona St. ended the season with 3 wins, they were a very bad team, yet they beat Washington by 7 points. In that game Penix threw the ball 53 times and then was presumably sacked 3 other times, meaning he accounted for 56 plays. This despite playing poorly (0 passing TDs, 1 INT, 107 rating). The counter might be well yeah they had to throw the ball a lot, but did they? The top 3 running backs that game averaged 6.8 yards per run, more than Penix averaged per pass! They scored 4 touchdowns, but still only got 25 carries!

So a struggling Penix keeps the ball 56 times (to throw it), and only hands off 25 times to more effective running backs. It's the same basic thing, the quarterback is accounting for roughly two thirds of the plays and I would add that if you view him as a point guard distributing to the running backs is as important as distributing to the receivers. That loss kept them out of the conference championship game by the way.


A few posts back I showed basically the same ratios at Indiana under Deboer, and at Fresno St. and Washington. It's a very qb-centric offense and always has been, so of course it looks that way in the NFL as well, which was the intial point I was making.

My counter would be there is more potential for dynamic plays with distribution to the WRs than RBs. I'm sure there's a stat for it, but for every house call by a running back there's probably 4 or 5 for WR.

Even with my frustration with JM this year, I was frustrated beyond measure when our pathetic running game left us in second and/or third and long.

I'd rather see JM sling it, inaccurately most likely, than to see us run it and not make more than a few yards.

Not saying a good running attack isn't good or needed at times, but IMO, in modern college football you are going to live or die with a dynamic passing game.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

Grubb is out at Seattle.

Ryan Grubb will not be back as Seahawks offensive coordinator next season

The Seahawks will once again be looking for a new offensive coordinator in the offseason.

www.fieldgulls.com

 

[colbysullivan]

Grubb fired in Seattle.

I hope we do whatever it takes to get him.

 

[some_al_fan]

It was Milroe.
This year was an anomaly for DeBoer. But normal for Milroe.

Milroe had 168 carries this year out of 488 for the team. 34%. Last year Milroe had 29% of the carries.

Last year, Penix had 35 carries out of 411 at Washington. 0.085 %. Almost identical to 2022 carries for him.

Nitpick: 35 out of 411 is 8.5%, not 0.085%.

 

[CoolBreeze]

Yea, maybe he is good but I never really understood the Grubb love. I mean, the posted piece said it plainly:

Seahawks offense posted uninspiring numbers under Ryan Grubb
Ryan Grubb rarely used play action
Seahawks were extraordinarily pass heavy

I could be wrong but just not impressed with the dude.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Grubb fired in Seattle.

I hope we do whatever it takes to get him.

It would probably take a Private Jet to fly back and forth to Wash and that's not practical and it still wouldn't work I don't think.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Yea, maybe he is good but I never really understood the Grubb love. I mean, the posted piece said it plainly:

Seahawks offense posted uninspiring numbers under Ryan Grubb
Ryan Grubb rarely used play action
Seahawks were extraordinarily pass heavy

I could be wrong but just not impressed with the dude.

Saban desperately wanted him for some reason. Saban said he tried to hire him multiple times.

 

[KrAzY3]

Yea, maybe he is good but I never really understood the Grubb love.

First, failure in the NFL doesn't mean that much. Sheridan was fired as OC, at Indiana and his coach took a pay cut to make the change.

Secondly, while I don't love Grubb and have preached that it's important to establish a strong running game... Grubb was DeBoer's first choice! Not only that, but he was the only one who has actually had great success running DeBoer's offense.

So the question really is why would anyone chose Sheridan over Grubb? DeBoer didn't, Saban didn't... no one else even wanted to hire Sheridan as an OC. So if we want to see DeBoer's offense and we know we can't go get Penix, there's only one other piece that we can get and it's Grubb.

 

[colbysullivan]

Yea, maybe he is good but I never really understood the Grubb love. I mean, the posted piece said it plainly:

Seahawks offense posted uninspiring numbers under Ryan Grubb
Ryan Grubb rarely used play action
Seahawks were extraordinarily pass heavy

I could be wrong but just not impressed with the dude.

Saban wanted him in 2023...

 

[bamaga]

DeBoer's offense don't hand the ball off much as far as I can tell, plenty of games where the quarterback kept the ball 75% of the time and if you check that happened this season as well (12 hand offs in the Michigan game for example). So, this seems to be as much a feature of his offense he learned from DeBoer as much as anything else.

This is one reason I kind of hope that they bring in an outside person (and why I threw a bit of a fit when another buddy was hired before any offensive staff was replaced) who can establish a balanced offense. Having said that though, Grubb is his guy, if we want to see what a DeBoer offense is supposed to look like then that's who should be the offensive coordinator. So I'm alright with Grubb, just not a huge fan of Sheridan who was brought in to be the tight ends coach but is also a DeBoer disciple, as he is just the less accomplished of the two.

In 2023, Deboer’s best year at Washington, they ran the ball 42% of the time. I would be ok with running the ball 42% of the time with the receivers we have had the last few years. With one caveat, that we could run the ball when we needed to. 58/42 is not a bad ratio. We had the same ratio this year, except flip flopped.

 

[KrAzY3]

In 2023, Deboer’s best year at Washington, they ran the ball 42% of the time. I would be ok with running the ball 42% of the time with the receivers we have had the last few years. With one caveat, that we could run the ball when we needed to. 58/42 is not a bad ratio. We had the same ratio this year, except flip flopped.

First, I do want to point out that I'm advocating for hiring Grubb, so it isn't that I'm dead set against this offense, just if you're going to do it, darn sure need to be doing it well.

But, there's a bit of a misleading aspect to the run/pass distribution statistic and this is when a quarterback scrambles or is sacked it counts as a run. This can make the offense look more balanced than it is. So when I was citing statistics, I was differentiating between plays the quarterback handed off and plays where he didn't.

So, in 2023 you end up with them only actually handing the ball off 36.7% of the time, which is almost dead even with what happened with Seattle this year (35%).

The ratio in 2024 by the way was also handing the ball off 37% of the time. It's actually remarkably consistent in his offense.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

This was CKD's first season in the SEC and as I said in another post, if he didn't learn a million things from it then he won't be here past year three. I would wait and see how he adjust his coaching/playcalling style based on his experience from this past season before trying to predict anything. Any coach worth their salt makes adjustments to new environments when things don't go well. I suspect what he thought compared to what he got will force him to make some adjustments to how he calls games. If not, like I said, he'll be gone after year three because he is averaging 3-4 losses every season.

 

[CoolBreeze]

First, failure in the NFL doesn't mean that much. Sheridan was fired as OC, at Indiana and his coach took a pay cut to make the change.

Secondly, while I don't love Grubb and have preached that it's important to establish a strong running game... Grubb was DeBoer's first choice! Not only that, but he was the only one who has actually had great success running DeBoer's offense.

So the question really is why would anyone chose Sheridan over Grubb? DeBoer didn't, Saban didn't... no one else even wanted to hire Sheridan as an OC. So if we want to see DeBoer's offense and we know we can't go get Penix, there's only one other piece that we can get and it's Grubb.

Yea, I get all of that and agree. Grubb was certainly a hot ticket because Saban tried to hire him then Seattle hired him away from CKD in the 11th hour. Maybe he really is all that, I don't know. Just was never really impressed with him for whatever reason. Could be that I view Kalen as the offensive guru and Grubb as just part of the team he put together. Maybe they are a dynamic duo together, who knows. Time will tell I guess but I do not think he could have helped us much this past season anyway given our QB situation. Here is to hoping my perception is wrong and dude comes and we put up 50+ points per game.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Yea, I get all of that and agree. Grubb was certainly a hot ticket because Saban tried to hire him then Seattle hired him away from CKD in the 11th hour. Maybe he really is all that, I don't know. Just was never really impressed with him for whatever reason. Could be that I view Kalen as the offensive guru and Grubb as just part of the team he put together. Maybe they are a dynamic duo together, who knows. Time will tell I guess but I do not think he could have helped us much this past season anyway given our QB situation. Here is to hoping my perception is wrong and dude comes and we put up 50+ points per game.

Just my opinion but I don't think Grubb would have done any better with this offense than the previous two OC's. The QB and holes in the OL just put so many constraints on the playcalling that there really wasn't much any OC could do differently.