Coaching fit.

[denver]

It's pretty much the whole staff

If we have the talent we are told we have, then it appears that our staff isn't up to the same level. It starts at HC and then down to, the OC/DC...they set the tone..and from what we have seen that isn't one of discipline, excellence and consistency

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Bryant- Stallings-Saban- Deboer.

Which one of those doesn’t fit?

I'm not sure since none of them won a national championship in Year Two at Alabama.

The nice guy Mike Shula crap doesn’t work in Tuscaloosa.

True enough, but there's a huge difference in that DeBoer had HEAD COACHING success everywhere he went and if Mike Shula's last name was Smith, he'd have taken his place in line behind 600 other candidates.

Mike Shula's OC career pre-Alabama:

TAMPA (30-team league)
1996 - last in points, 28th in yards (1 NOT)
1997 - 24th in points, 29th in yards (2 NOTs)
1998 - 18th in points, 22nd in yards (3 NOTs)
1999 - 27th in points, 28th in yards (2 NOTs)

And btw - AT THE TIME, Tampa had a QB named Trent Dilfer whose record was 38-38 as a starter, which was then the best record any Bucs QB had. Dilfer went down in Week 10 in 1999 and Shawn King came on, which gives Shula defenders a convenient excuse (and in all honesty, without convenient excuses there would be NO Shula defenders).

That last team made the NFC Championship and was leading into the fourth quarter with the one of the best defenses in the NFL.

There are legit criticisms of DeBoer, but he's better than Mike Shula.

Hopefully sooner than later we go after Cignitti. Seems to be the right fit historically.

Oh, gawd, here we go:

"We've got dozens of coaches out there just waiting to come to Tuscaloosa and win" sounds so much like something Texas fans say (except they change one word to Austin). Everyone is just waiting for the call, can't wait, it's cold in Indiana, blah blah blah.

If we throw DeBoer off the ship at this point, good luck getting anyone to come to Alabama.

Winning 9-10 games a year at Alabama, with the resources, facilities, etc. isn’t anything special.

Why does everyone keep pretending we don't live in a world where a guy can come to Alabama and if he's a star, he can go make millions ELSEWHERE?

Once upon a time - at the very least - that guy would have had to sit out a year at a junior college.

What we have right now is like if the Los Angeles Dodgers decided they wanted Aaron Judge and could get him because he didn't have a contract binding him to his team.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

and this - he gets it

https://twitter.com/x/status/2006908902802338136

He is the Man.

A Real Deal tough hard nosed HC who can evaluate talent and build a system around who he has for maximum efficiency and develop them and get maximum results.

I don’t care that he’s a ‘Jerk’ or a ‘Big Meanie’.

He just WINS.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

I don’t think Mike Shula was a nice guy

 

[81usaf92]

I'm not sure since none of them won a national championship in Year Two at Alabama.



True enough, but there's a huge difference in that DeBoer had HEAD COACHING success everywhere he went and if Mike Shula's last name was Smith, he'd have taken his place in line behind 600 other candidates.

Mike Shula's OC career pre-Alabama:

TAMPA (30-team league)
1996 - last in points, 28th in yards (1 NOT)
1997 - 24th in points, 29th in yards (2 NOTs)
1998 - 18th in points, 22nd in yards (3 NOTs)
1999 - 27th in points, 28th in yards (2 NOTs)

And btw - AT THE TIME, Tampa had a QB named Trent Dilfer whose record was 38-38 as a starter, which was then the best record any Bucs QB had. Dilfer went down in Week 10 in 1999 and Shawn King came on, which gives Shula defenders a convenient excuse (and in all honesty, without convenient excuses there would be NO Shula defenders).

That last team made the NFC Championship and was leading into the fourth quarter with the one of the best defenses in the NFL.

There are legit criticisms of DeBoer, but he's better than Mike Shula.



Oh, gawd, here we go:

"We've got dozens of coaches out there just waiting to come to Tuscaloosa and win" sounds so much like something Texas fans say (except they change one word to Austin). Everyone is just waiting for the call, can't wait, it's cold in Indiana, blah blah blah.

If we throw DeBoer off the ship at this point, good luck getting anyone to come to Alabama.




Why does everyone keep pretending we don't live in a world where a guy can come to Alabama and if he's a star, he can go make millions ELSEWHERE?

Once upon a time - at the very least - that guy would have had to sit out a year at a junior college.

What we have right now is like if the Los Angeles Dodgers decided they wanted Aaron Judge and could get him because he didn't have a contract binding him to his team.

What’s the difference between Michigan and Ohio State vs Florida since 2018…2 national championships between 3 coaches vs a program that is on its 3 coach that “fits” its culture with nothing to show for on the field. Yet Ohio State and Michigan fans were relentless in wanting to make coaching changes. I bet Florida would’ve taken the lean years that they complained about under Harbaugh and Day in a heartbeat.

That doesn’t mean you indefinitely give a guy a grace period. But you have to accept lean years or else you are constantly firing and hiring staffs and ADs and you create a perception of constant instability. Wanting to fire a guy after a 11 win season no matter how losses looked isn’t really a sign of a program that knows what they are doing. DeBoer has some serious issues that he has to fix but totally giving up on the hire after a 20-7 start is how you become Nebraska post Solich or start to become Florida now.

 

[Bamaro]

I think PSU and LSU fans right now would take a butt whooping in the Rose Bowl and looking forward to the 26 season.

PSU & LSU wouldn't be happy with taking a 'butt whooping' like we did yesterday. They expect more as should we.

 

[SeventhHeavenRanch7777@gm]

DeBoer had talent when he got here. Yes he lost some but there was still plenty left. I know its too late this year to do anything but if this happens next year he needs to go. Personally im not in his corner. I just dont see him working out hereKiffin dod a great . Cignetti built his team like Saban did. Kiffin did a great job building that Ole Miss team

 

[81usaf92]

PSU & LSU wouldn't be happy with taking a 'butt whooping' like we did yesterday. They expect more as should we.

I challenge you to find one PSU fan that finds their current situation after their coaching search debacle that wouldn’t be willing to trade places right now with an Alabama fan.

 

[Bama9001]

Two years and ZERO improvement in the OL. That's got to be some kind of record.

 

[bamaga]

I don't think this is fair at all to make a thread comparing coaches from past. This doesn't feel right to do that. This off season is critical and I believe CKD already has plan to make some changes within staff and the roster via transfer portal. But for now, This isn't appropriate thread, to discuss... Now if CKD decides to move on from Alabama at some point in next few years, then it's worthy to have thtis discussion.

As much as I feel like renting a U-Haul truck for him myself, I will give him another year to make changes and go from there. There is a pattern, though. His team usually starts out well and tail off as the game goes on. Most believe it’s the lack of a run game.
Same can be said for the season, we start well, except game one, and tail off toward the end of the year.

 

[Bamacracker]

I would love to be wrong on CKD. But looking at the last two seasons and his tenure at Washington… It’s pretty obvious he doesn’t love running the football, and his teams do not have a killer instinct. We’ve got all that talent on the offensive line, and size, but they spend all their time in practice backing up and catching rushers. You can tell by the way they patty cake, that they don’t get after it with their hands in the dirt in practice.

This isnt about not winning a national title in year two. It’s about style and philosophy. Maybe he’ll hire a physical offensive line coach and a running backs coach. Maybe he’ll change? But I’ll be surprised if he does. I probably also have PTSD with the fact that he stands over there and makes the same faces as Mike Shula. Happy new year everybody.

 

[Stonecoldtide]

I'm frustrated with how things ended too. But 11 wins is 11 wins. 92 team won 13 games. They also only played 13 games. This was this team's 15th game. Not making excuses. But these aren't apples to apples comparisons, in my humble opinion. And, again....11 wins is 11 wins.

With all due respect
We lost 3blowout games
LSU, Auburn, USC, Missouri, and UT were either average or in down years.
The first GA game is the only game we executed in.
We have lost mental toughness and physicality.
You may be staring down the barrel of 9 and 3 or 8 and 4 next year.
The red flags are everywhere but I think Coach should get next year to fix. If we are still having the same conversation this time next year, well you got what you got.
No way Coach should get an extension at this point.

 

[Stonecoldtide]

I love how people literally attribute value to wins. Literally nothing else matters to those folks - if you don't win them all, or look awesome in every game, you're a bad hire.

None of these folks look at the team the coach inherited, nor the state of modern CFB recruiting, etc. It's literally all about how dominating you are as a HC - if you're not on all the time, you need to go...

SMH

I would say he inherited a lot more to work with than coach Cignetti did.

 

[92tide]

Two years and ZERO improvement in the OL. That's got to be some kind of record.

our o-line has sucked since 2021. and our d started playing "softer" in the late teens and outside of a few instances, has not been consistently good.

 

[92tide]

Then go root for Indiana…my goodness we’re a sad bunch…

bama fans are one of the most sad sack, sore loser fan bases.

 

[AlexanderFan]

What’s the difference between Michigan and Ohio State vs Florida since 2018…2 national championships between 3 coaches vs a program that is on its 3 coach that “fits” its culture with nothing to show for on the field. Yet Ohio State and Michigan fans were relentless in wanting to make coaching changes. I bet Florida would’ve taken the lean years that they complained about under Harbaugh and Day in a heartbeat.

That doesn’t mean you indefinitely give a guy a grace period. But you have to accept lean years or else you are constantly firing and hiring staffs and ADs and you create a perception of constant instability. Wanting to fire a guy after a 11 win season no matter how losses looked isn’t really a sign of a program that knows what they are doing. DeBoer has some serious issues that he has to fix but totally giving up on the hire after a 20-7 start is how you become Nebraska post Solich or start to become Florida now.

“Lean” - 11 wins and a playoff appearance.

It’s how we lost that matters when there’s double digit wins

 

[92tide]

I love how people literally attribute value to wins. Literally nothing else matters to those folks - if you don't win them all, or look awesome in every game, you're a bad hire.

None of these folks look at the team the coach inherited, nor the state of modern CFB recruiting, etc. It's literally all about how dominating you are as a HC - if you're not on all the time, you need to go...

SMH

kirby hasn't won a playoff game since the 2022 season. i think they should start kicking tires

 

[SeventhHeavenRanch7777@gm]

bama fans are one of the most sad sack, sore loser fan bases.

No we just expect more than what we are getting for $70 million

 

[BamaMoon]

No we just expect more than what we are getting for $70 million

Stop the belly aching! We know how you feel.

Unless he walks away, CKD is our coach at least through '26.

If he doesn't feel the heat of a 1000 suns in his coaching seat and doesn't make some changes, let's talk next year!

 

[92tide]

No we just expect more than what we are getting for $70 million

i was making the same observations in the last 2-3 years of saban's tenure as well and i stand by it.