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Concerns about Assistant/Position Coaches.

Bamabuzzard

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Proxigean Tide said:
I know CcH is supposedly attending seminars to learn how to coach WRs, but I don't think they're working.
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Over the past several years we've had assistant coaches and their capabilities/impact on the team come into question. The most famous I guess was Joe Kines. In 2003 most of the Bamanation was on him like bees on honey for the appearance of his incompetancy to put together a defense. The next year Ole Joe rebounds and "shows us who's boss" by assembling one of the nations best defenses then followed up in 2005 with a great encore.

I guess next on the "pistol whippin' " list has been Coach Connally and his one size fits all blocking technique. Like Coach Kines he's been here since 2003 however he hasn't had the "rebound" like coach kines has generated. And it can be debated that he hasn't had much success or maybe sustained success since he's been here.

Now we've got a wr coach who's having to be sent to "seminars" in order to "LEARN HOW" to coach wr's? The two positions the latter two coaches coach have been one of the weakest links on this team. Our wr's over the past few years have been described by mods on here as "soft" or "lack of toughness", they consistent run bad routes, can't catch balls on a consistent basis.

Is there any other assistants/position coaches that we should be worried about as well? Reading that we're having to send our Wr coach to "seminars" to "learn how to coach" wr's for some reason bothers me and brings red flags to my mind. How concerned should we be about things like this?
 
BB, I for one agree with you, particulary your concerns regarding our WR's coach attending coaching seminars.

One thing that stands out in my mind is how much can/do the WR's actually believe what he's teaching them when their position coach is being sent to "school" to learn how to teach them? I'm assuming the players know he is being sent to seminars since we know.
 
With regards to attending seminars, must be noted that many coaches attend some type of event designed to improve their coaching abilities... many might be considered "informal" learning opportunities (coaches visitings schools for a particular coaching emphasis). Therefore, simply attending a seminar shouldn't be necessarily considered a bad thing. However, the actual performance could be another discussion entirely. Moving on... the idea behind the CCH problem is bigger than performance. IMO, CMS is willing to sacrifice performance for cohesion right now. Coming off of the problems of the past, probably has been a good move because continuity is essential to rebuilding. However, after we have somewhat recovered from the past problems, it will be interesting to see if the issue is simply "loyalty" (and not cohesion). I hope that CMS will decide to make the changes that need to be made for performace's sake... starting this year. IMO (for the 2 cents it's worth), this area represents the greatest danger to CMS's job in the next couple of years. If he hangs on to coaches who obviously don't get the job done because of loyalty, at some point their failure will be totally attributed to his unwillingness to make needed changes. In my mind, that's exactly where we're at with CBC... at first, it was because of his OL philosophy... now, I'm assigning the primary blame to CMS for not doing anything about it. If things stay the same for another year, I will place all the blame at his feet... and his supporters will do the same at some point as well.
 
Talk about much ado about nothing. :rolleyes:

You are concerned because the coaches are continuing to learn new techniques? If you are complaining they aren't getting the job done, shouldn't you want them getting training? Instead that is pointed as an admission of weakness? Most coaches attend seminars and such during the summer. They visit other teams to see how they do things such as defend the spread option. That is called professional development and happens regardless of profession. I attend seminars and such yearly, in fact I'm required to accumulate a certain number of Continuing Professional Education credits to maintain my professional certifications. If you think you already know everything there is to know, that is just an indication of how little you know.

I also find it intersting that two weeks ago I didnt see any post complaining about our WR coach. Now after a few rumours of problems with DJ and KB, there is much gnashing of teeth over his shortcomings. I realize it is summer and there isn't much news but are we really that desperate to find something to complain about? Can't we just complain about all of these out-of-state one-star recruits that we are landing? How many days until kickoff? :conf2:

RTR!!!!
 
charlie harbison has coached db's and receivers since 1984.. if you caoch db's im sure that you would know a little about coaching wr's... also i dont think you can teach a receiver to be physical either a guy is a finesse receiver or a physical one .. you can teach physical techniques and moves.. but only a guy who likes to be physical will use them... i think coach harbison is doin a fine job.. maybe if we get some guys in here that catch more than half of the passes thrown to them..


you cant coach hands
 
coach cheese is also a greatttt recruiter as well. he has the b'ham to recruit and i think that he does a find job both coaching and bringing players to alabama.
 
GrandBayTider said:
Talk about much ado about nothing. :rolleyes:

You are concerned because the coaches are continuing to learn new techniques? If you are complaining they aren't getting the job done, shouldn't you want them getting training? Instead that is pointed as an admission of weakness? Most coaches attend seminars and such during the summer. They visit other teams to see how they do things such as defend the spread option. That is called professional development and happens regardless of profession. I attend seminars and such yearly, in fact I'm required to accumulate a certain number of Continuing Professional Education credits to maintain my professional certifications. If you think you already know everything there is to know, that is just an indication of how little you know.

I also find it intersting that two weeks ago I didnt see any post complaining about our WR coach. Now after a few rumours of problems with DJ and KB, there is much gnashing of teeth over his shortcomings. I realize it is summer and there isn't much news but are we really that desperate to find something to complain about? Can't we just complain about all of these out-of-state one-star recruits that we are landing? How many days until kickoff? :conf2:

RTR!!!!
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I'd rather get a coach that already knows how to coach the wr's rather than spend valuable time sending a guy that supposedly didn't know to "seminars" with no guarantee that he would "know" when he got out. You're running the risk of wasting valuable time and resources.

I completely understand continuing education. My job requires it every year. But "continuing education" isn't the impression I've been getting as to the "seminars" he's been attending. When I go to a "seminar"/continuing education it isn't to teach me the basics of accounting, debits & credits or how to do a tax return. It is new accounting methods, tax law changes etc. The impression I've gotten is that he's going in order to LEARN HOW TO COACH wide reivers. If that is the case then that is totally different than "continuing education". If I've misunderstood the reason behind him going to these seminars then I sincerely apologize. I just misunderstood. But my impression and according to remarks on this board was that he's going to LEARN HOW to coach wide reivers. If that is the case why not hire a coach that already knows how? I know we're all about "stability" but then again this isn't the Offensive/Defensive Co or Head Coach we're talking about either.

Again, if I've misunderstood then I apologize.
 
BamaBuzzard,
Would you have said the same thing about Coach Bryant and his assistants who routinely visited other schools and such to learn new schemes and improve their abilities?
 
CCH had Pro ready to play. Shortly after he went down DJ appeared ready to play. In the bowl game Brown appeared ready to play when Hall couldn't make it and, MC looked better blocking down field. Spring nobody looked good anywhere but, that's what spring is for. CCH is maybe the most effective recruiter on staff. Not such a bad review for a DB coach. My opinion of the OL situation including the coach and coaching has gotten my hand spanked and sent to a time out in here more than ounce.
 
Didnt Bryant go see Royal about the wishbone?:conf2:

I see nothing wrong with a coach attending a seminar. If he doesnt know enough to coach WR's that CMS had to send him to a class to learn how to coach them I would have never seen CMS making him WR's coach.
 
It doesn't bother me at all that CCH doesn't think he knows it all and is willing to learn more about the position of wide receiver, to better himself, the players under his supervision, the team and the program.

It does bother me that CBC says his technique is all that's needed,
has shown a lack of work ethic to get players under his supervision properly involved in strength and conditionilng,
and hasn't been known to go anywhere to learn anything.

CBC is the only coach on the staff I am worried about;
yes I do worry that his lack of ability will get CMS in hot water if things don't change and loyalty over-rules logic.

T7
 
uafan4life said:
BamaBuzzard,
Would you have said the same thing about Coach Bryant and his assistants who routinely visited other schools and such to learn new schemes and improve their abilities?
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Learning new schemes and learning the basic fundamentals of a position in football are two different things. The impression I've gotten from this "sending him to seminars" is that he's going to learn how to coach the position. Which is entirely different than building on the advance aspects of a position.

Maybe some one that is privy to this information can clarify. Are these seminars to teach him how to coach the position or are they seminars that expand into advanced aspects of the position? Because there is a difference.......MAJOR diffence.
 
If I was worried about any coach, but I'm not, I would be concerned with CBC. With the returning players, great recruiting class and talented redshirt players he has coming back, Bama's line should start to be solid and not a weakspot. I think everything will be fine with line, but if it's not, then he might be a coaching casualty next offseason.
 
BeenwiththeBear said:
I agree with the concerns about the OL coaching.

But,..I'm surprised no one has mentioned special teams yet. I think the jury is still out on the coaching prowess there.
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Hey, I have an idea!!!!!!!!!

Let's get rid of them all - since we now have one winning season under our belt, heck we can get anybody we want to coach our team - it sure was nice of Mike and crew to come in and take care and clean up the mess we made. But, now we are the elite program again we no longer need them -right? :biggrin2:
 
Displaced Bama Fan said:
I think we need to bring back Neil Callaway as the OL Coach/Asst. Head Coach or whatever other title he wants. I don't think Connelly can cut it.
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hard to disagree, but of course, it won't happen. Despite Coach Calloway's runaway success at UGA he' ll never be invited back to his alma mater, if for nothing else, his association with the Dubose administration.
I know Paul Randolph left for a promotion and you certainly can't blame him for wanting to advance his career, but I felt like this staff lost it's best member when he left after last season. He was a top notch recruiter and a great on the field coach. I really think he will be missed this season.....
 
Bamabuzzard said:
Maybe some one that is privy to this information can clarify. Are these seminars to teach him how to coach the position or are they seminars that expand into advanced aspects of the position? Because there is a difference.......MAJOR diffence.
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Dude, if you don't know why he's attending the seminar...maybe you shouldn't ridicule him for attending. Just a thought. :rolleyes:

I'm fine with giving this staff another year or two to show what they can do with a team that isn't wrecked by scholarship limitations, injuries, and a lack of depth. I may be right there with you guys after the end of the season, but right now I'm pretty darn happy that our staff took us to 10 wins in their third season with all they've had to deal with.
 
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