Cornelius Bennett on Ballot for College Football Hall of Fame

[BammaNFla]

"Cornelius Bennett, Alabama-Linebacker-Two-time First Team All-America selection (1985-86) – unanimous in 1986. Named SEC Defensive Player of the Year and finished seventh in the Heisman Trophy voting in 1986. Three-time First Team All-Conference selection (1984-86)."

Pat Dye also on the ballot.

http://www.footballfoundation.com/news.php?id=571

 

[BAMMAR]

Flame away but I can't vote for a wife beater.

 

[TidePhin]

May and Alberts?

The only reason these fools are on the ballot is ESPN. When do they vote on the Hall-of-Fame and how many do they select at each time?

 

[4Q Basket Case]

No flame here, Bammar

Flame away but I can't vote for a wife beater.

I think you're right on target.

BTW -- I think Cornelius also pled either guilty or nolo contendere to sexual assault, and served a short stint in prison.

He was a great player while he was in Tuscaloosa, but is not a great person.

Personally, I think he shouldn't be on the all-century team, either. And for exactly those reasons.

I don't demand perfection. Lord knows, I have more than a few things in my background that I don't want made public. But is it too much to draw the line at admitted felons?

 

[ihatefulmer]

I think you're right on target.

BTW -- I think Cornelius also pled either guilty or nolo contendere to sexual assault, and served a short stint in prison.

He was a great player while he was in Tuscaloosa, but is not a great person.

Personally, I think he shouldn't be on the all-century team, either. And for exactly those reasons.

I don't demand perfection. Lord knows, I have more than a few things in my background that I don't want made public. But is it too much to draw the line at admitted felons?

Originally Posted by BAMMAR
Flame away but I can't vote for a wife beater




I'm not sure but I guess it's based upon what he did on the field not off.
Just because he has secured a spot for himself in Wife Beater hall of shame I don't think it has anything to do with the CF hall of fame.

 

[wahpuh]

It is the football hall of fame, not the good people hall of fame!! RTR

 

[4Q Basket Case]

It is the football hall of fame, not the good people hall of fame!! RTR

Wapuh --

As I stated earlier, I don't expect perfection out of Bama players. We all have done stuff we don't want publicized. I'm not saying you have to be the second coming of Lech Walesa in shoulder pads to be honored this way.

But sexual assault is a euphemism for rape. I just don't want my university represented by a rapist, no matter how many tackles he may have made. Same goes for drug dealers, murderers and con men. If Brian Burgdorf had had an on-the-field career worthy of HOF consideration (and we all know he didn't), I'd want him disqualified for the theft of innocent investors' money.

Put another way, I don't think Shaun Alexander or Shaud Williams want to be associated with convicted and admitted felons. And I know what Pat Trammell and Coach would say.

 

[NYBamaFan]

JMO, but I believe that this should be decided based on his actions while at the University of Alabama. Furthermore, it should be decided based on what he did on the field of play.

I know nothing of his off the field antics, and don't care to find out. I try not to judge. I personally know someone who was falsely accused of rape - it happens way too often. As for the spousal abuse - walk a mile in his marital shoes before you draw any conclusions. I know a few spouses (both sexes) that should get smacked...

 

[bat123]

Wapuh --

As I stated earlier, I don't expect perfection out of Bama players. We all have done stuff we don't want publicized. I'm not saying you have to be the second coming of Lech Walesa in shoulder pads to be honored this way.

But sexual assault is a euphemism for rape. I just don't want my university represented by a rapist, no matter how many tackles he may have made. Same goes for drug dealers, murderers and con men. If Brian Burgdorf had had an on-the-field career worthy of HOF consideration (and we all know he didn't), I'd want him disqualified for the theft of innocent investors' money.

Put another way, I don't think Shaun Alexander or Shaud Williams want to be associated with convicted and admitted felons. And I know what Pat Trammell and Coach would say.

I'd prefer links to articles rather than "I think ".......

 

[4Q Basket Case]

My Last Comments on This

To NY Bama Fan --

Bennett was not only accused of sexual assault, he pled guilty and served prison time. I'm sorry for your friend being the target of a false accusation. But I don't see a parallel between (1) false accusation, and (2)confession and conviction.

Bennett's a rapist -- he confessed, he was convicted, and he served time in prison. No way to prove this one way or the other, but I'd bet OJ Simpson's legal fees that if he hadn't been Cornelius Bennett the ****** football player, he would still be there.

To bat123 --

Tough crowd. Last time I expressed an opinion, I linked articles. I was told that linked articles meant nothing, and that all opinions, no matter how ill-reasoned, were equally valid.

Regarding my thoughts on Shaun Alexander's and Shaud Williams' preferences: you've got me. I have no articles to link in which either have said that they would prefer not to be associated with convicted felons. If you can find some that say they would like to be associated with such people, I'll make a public retraction of the assertion.

Likewise, if you can find anything anywhere that would indicate that either Pat Trammell or Paul Bryant ever expressed tolerance for rape or wife beating, I'll make a public retraction of that assertion, too.

I'm dumbfounded to find that a significant number of Bama fans on this board feel that forgiveness and redemption for rape and wife beating (or at the very least, willful ignoring of inconvenient facts) can be earned with lots of tackles.

 

[TidePhin]

Anybody know when they vote and how many get in?

 

[bat123]

To NY Bama Fan --

Bennett was not only accused of sexual assault, he pled guilty and served prison time. I'm sorry for your friend being the target of a false accusation. But I don't see a parallel between (1) false accusation, and (2)confession and conviction.

Bennett's a rapist -- he confessed, he was convicted, and he served time in prison. No way to prove this one way or the other, but I'd bet OJ Simpson's legal fees that if he hadn't been Cornelius Bennett the ****** football player, he would still be there.

To bat123 --

Tough crowd. Last time I expressed an opinion, I linked articles. I was told that linked articles meant nothing, and that all opinions, no matter how ill-reasoned, were equally valid.

Regarding my thoughts on Shaun Alexander's and Shaud Williams' preferences: you've got me. I have no articles to link in which either have said that they would prefer not to be associated with convicted felons. If you can find some that say they would like to be associated with such people, I'll make a public retraction of the assertion.

Likewise, if you can find anything anywhere that would indicate that either Pat Trammell or Paul Bryant ever expressed tolerance for rape or wife beating, I'll make a public retraction of that assertion, too.

I'm dumbfounded to find that a significant number of Bama fans on this board feel that forgiveness and redemption for rape and wife beating (or at the very least, willful ignoring of inconvenient facts) can be earned with lots of tackles.

Not trying to bust your chops but I don't know how many posts that stated "I think" or "I heard" that turned out to be opinion and we all know about opinions.
I am not familiar with the incident you mentioned, but I have been out of the country for quite a while, however I do know when someone speaks for someone else usually it ain't exactly how they'd say or feel.
Now for Coach Bryant it's obvious from the many posts I've read that everyone here "knows" what he would have said, done or felt in anygiven situation. I do believe that Coach Bryant would have talked to the individual and gotten to the bottom of the situation (see Namath or Stable) before he passed judgment.
I do know making absoute statements have a way of coming back home.

 

[bat123]

To NY Bama Fan --

Bennett was not only accused of sexual assault, he pled guilty and served prison time. I'm sorry for your friend being the target of a false accusation. But I don't see a parallel between (1) false accusation, and (2)confession and conviction.

Bennett's a rapist -- he confessed, he was convicted, and he served time in prison. No way to prove this one way or the other, but I'd bet OJ Simpson's legal fees that if he hadn't been Cornelius Bennett the ****** football player, he would still be there.

To bat123 --

Tough crowd. Last time I expressed an opinion, I linked articles. I was told that linked articles meant nothing, and that all opinions, no matter how ill-reasoned, were equally valid.

Regarding my thoughts on Shaun Alexander's and Shaud Williams' preferences: you've got me. I have no articles to link in which either have said that they would prefer not to be associated with convicted felons. If you can find some that say they would like to be associated with such people, I'll make a public retraction of the assertion.

Likewise, if you can find anything anywhere that would indicate that either Pat Trammell or Paul Bryant ever expressed tolerance for rape or wife beating, I'll make a public retraction of that assertion, too.

I'm dumbfounded to find that a significant number of Bama fans on this board feel that forgiveness and redemption for rape and wife beating (or at the very least, willful ignoring of inconvenient facts) can be earned with lots of tackles.

Not trying to bust your chops but I don't know how many posts that stated "I think" or "I heard" that turned out to be opinion and we all know about opinions.
I am not familiar with the incident you mentioned, but I have been out of the country for quite a while, however I do know when someone speaks for someone else usually it ain't exactly how they'd say or feel.
Now for Coach Bryant it's obvious from the many posts I've read that everyone here "knows" what he would have said, done or felt in any given situation. I do believe that Coach Bryant would have talked to the individual and gotten to the bottom of the situation (see Namath or Stable) before he passed judgment.
I do know making absoute statements have a way of coming back home.

 

[Crim De Le Crim]

Basket case you simply have no clue what you are talking about on several different levels . You mentioned Pat Trammell ... who is a player I will *always* love in my heart and what they would have thought but having been from the Scottsboro area I can tell you the Trammel clan ( and yeah they fell into money which doesnt mean crap to me ) had a reputation in their days there as thugs who would instigate fights at the drop of a hat .


People chuckle now at the story of Pat Trammel coming in right off the bat and throwing his pocket knife in the middle of a table and saying I am quarterback ... you guys figure out what position you are going to play but fact is if anything of that sort happened in todays world left wing liberals would scream in bloody horror .


You simply dont have a clue what has occurred in anyones past other than opinion and your holier than thou attitude towards a fine Bama player who may or may not have have problems later in his life makes me want to puke .

A little clue for you skippy since I am sure you are judging from the far left peanut seats ... if you even get accused of a crime in this country and a prosecuting attorney picks it up you have one of two choices ... plea bargain or face five times the amount of jail time they offered if you decide to use your "constituional rights" to a fair trial . 90% of *all* cases in this country are plea bargained and if you ever get accused of anything you lawayer will 9 out of 10 times tell you to do the same because the penalty for "exercising your rights" will be a hellavu lot worse than what they lay on the table to clear paperwaork off their desk ...

 

[CrImSoNtIdE!]

It is the football hall of fame, not the good people hall of fame!! RTR

True

 

[BamaNation]

Character does count ....

Actually, the linked article from the football foundation confirms that character actually does count:

To be eligible for the ballot, players must have been named a First Team All-America by a major/national selector as recognized and utilized by the NCAA for their consensus All-America teams, played their last year of intercollegiate football at least ten years prior, played within the last 50 years and be retired from playing professional football. Coaches must be out of the college coaching profession for at least three years, coached a minimum of 10 years, 100 games as a head coach, won at least 60% of their games and not be coaching on the professional level. In both cases, the candidate’s post-football record as a citizen may also be weighed.

Once nominated for consideration, all player candidates are submitted to one of eight District Screening Committees, depending on their geographic location, which conducts a vote to determine who will appear on the ballot and represent their respective districts. Each year, 15 candidates, who are not selected for the Hall of Fame, will be named automatic holdovers and will bypass the district screening process and automatically appear on the ballot the following year.

 

[Crim De Le Crim]

After the lying smears

Basketcase (very fitting name ) posted on this board I took the time to see what exactly it was Cornelius "plead guilty to" and see how much "prison time " he got . I fairly well knew being vaguely familar with the story but I wanted to double check and be certain about the exact charge and "prison" time such a foul "rapist" recieved .


The man plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of sex abuse after an incident in a hotel room with someone he had known for quite a while and was sentenced to serve 60 days in the county jail ... of which he served 36 and was let out . Not an incident to be proud of but hardly a case of the man stalking the bushes to rape ....

No way to prove this one way or the other, but I'd bet OJ Simpson's legal fees that if he hadn't been Cornelius Bennett the ****** football player, he would still be there.

Sure there is ... he never went to prison in the first place and in fact served a little over half of the the full sixty day county jail sentence he recieved in return for his plea bargain when he was let out for good behaviour . As soon as you round up OJs legal fees to pay off that bet just let me know ....



I'm not surpised someone stupid enough to confuse a a prosecutor forcing a weak plea bargain on misdemeanor charge with a felony rape conviction would also confuse a short county jail sentence with a prison term . I doubt he has a clue just how weak a prosecutors case has to be if they were willing to accept a plea deal for a frigging misdemeanor nor how quickly someone in Cornelius's postion would be advised to take that plea when the slim chance of being convicted could bring huge prison sentences for having the audacity to challenge the charge in a trial .

I am surpised we get all these followup comments on a Bama board ready to throw the mans entire Bama career and his 15 year follwup career in the NFL out the window based on the rambling slurs of some idiot who can't even get their facts straight ...

 

[BamafanLSUland]

Biscuit nominated for NCAA Hall of Fame

Does anyone remember the pre-game segment "where are they now?" before the Kentucky game that was done on Cornelius Bennett? I watched the tape again, JP showed where he is now working with the Ronald McDonald house charaties as a fund raiser, not a full time job but as someone who is giving back to the community. Do ya'll think that Ronald McDonald house charaties did not do a background check before attaching their name to his?

He was also nominated on last years ballot but did not get in. Hopefully he will get in this year.

 

[bat123]

Basketcase (very fitting name ) posted on this board I took the time to see what exactly it was Cornelius "plead guilty to" and see how much "prison time " he got . I fairly well knew being vaguely familar with the story but I wanted to double check and be certain about the exact charge and "prison" time such a foul "rapist" recieved .


The man plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of sex abuse after an incident in a hotel room with someone he had known for quite a while and was sentenced to serve 60 days in the county jail ... of which he served 36 and was let out . Not an incident to be proud of but hardly a case of the man stalking the bushes to rape ....




Sure there is ... he never went to prison in the first place and in fact served a little over half of the the full sixty day county jail sentence he recieved in return for his plea bargain when he was let out for good behaviour . As soon as you round up OJs legal fees to pay off that bet just let me know ....



I'm not surpised someone stupid enough to confuse a a prosecutor forcing a weak plea bargain on misdemeanor charge with a felony rape conviction would also confuse a short county jail sentence with a prison term . I doubt he has a clue just how weak a prosecutors case has to be if they were willing to accept a plea deal for a frigging misdemeanor nor how quickly someone in Cornelius's postion would be advised to take that plea when the slim chance of being convicted could bring huge prison sentences for having the audacity to challenge the charge in a trial .

I am surpised we get all these followup comments on a Bama board ready to throw the mans entire Bama career and his 15 year follwup career in the NFL out the window based on the rambling slurs of some idiot who can't even get their facts straight ...

Thanks for that bit of info......pretty much as I expected

 

[bamaslammer]

I don't think there is any right or wrong on this issue, but one thing I feel is that there are alot of questionable sexually related charges brought forward by individuals who are taking the focus off of those who have truely been hurt.

I don't know about Bennets case but if your a woman and you enter a mans hotel room, what are you there for? I have three daughters and I tell them to use their HEADS to stay out of bad situations. I know according to the law a woman can say no EVEN in the middle of a sex act and if the guy doesn't hit the ceiling at that very moment he's a rapist. This I find disturbing because I know those who were dragged off the street, thrown in the bushes and attacked. There's a pretty big difference.