Dabo defending himself and Clempson

[arthurdawg]

72-24 isn’t .61. It’s about 73%

Oof. Typo... I think with was actually 72-45... Or sumpin close.

A good bit lower than the Dabo record.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

I am not a Dabo fan at all simply because of his coaching style. Still, i agree with his point of the two losses being very close games, down to the wire.

 

[BamaMoon]

Those who know, know (I don't) but they claim Bama would never hire him because of something(s) he did when he coached under Coach Stallings.

Someone asked about what Clemson was before Dabo and someone answered "Clemsoning" but IIRC, that was true for several years after Dabo took over there too. It's like they inventing ways to lose, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

But, to his credit, he learned how to win and he won big for a while. But it seems things have leveled out now for reasons stated earlier in the thread.

And one other thing for the Clemson fanbase to remember: Were it not for Danny Ford and Dabo Sweeney, Clemson wouldn't have anything to brag about minus those two Bama boys.

 

[crimsonaudio]

72-24 isn’t .61. It’s about 73%

They were actually 72-45 (.615)

 

[crimsonaudio]

Those who know, know (I don't) but they claim Bama would never hire him because of something(s) he did when he coached under Coach Stallings.

Someone asked about what Clemson was before Dabo and someone answered "Clemsoning" but IIRC, that was true for several years after Dabo took over there too. It's like they inventing ways to lose, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

But, to his credit, he learned how to win and he won big for a while. But it seems things have leveled out now for reasons stated earlier in the thread.

And one other thing for the Clemson fanbase to remember: Were it not for Danny Ford and Dabo Sweeney, Clemson wouldn't have anything to brag about minus those two Bama boys.

I get his 'good ole boy' demeanor along with his Bama background endear him to some here, but I've long suspected that his success (suddenly consistently winning at least 10 games every year after starting his first three years with a combined record of 19-15) was achieved via the continuation of what got Bama hammered while he was here.

 

[jashleyren2]

I get his 'good ole boy' demeanor along with his Bama background endear him to some here, but I've long suspected that his success (suddenly consistently winning at least 10 games every year after starting his first three years with a combined record of 19-15) was achieved via the continuation of what got Bama hammered while he was here.

I think that's accurate. I have no evidence of it myself.

The game has changed. But the pay for college coaches is commiserate with what comes with all that change now. Generational money at top programs like Clemson. If you get hired, your contract sets your entire extended family up forever. But, you get to take lots of flack for even the best, but imperfect performances. Make big bucks, take the lumps.

I still agree with him.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Clemson's (Dabo's) problem right now is that they don't have a good quarterback. That team is talented enough to be undefeated right now, but Klubnick seems to be the piece that is holding the offense back. I've watched him play this year and no way he goes before the 4th or 5th round of the draft, if he's even drafted at all. He's looked bad.

 

[BamaMoon]

Clemson's (Dabo's) problem right now is that they don't have a good quarterback. That team is talented enough to be undefeated right now, but Klubnick seems to be the piece that is holding the offense back. I've watched him play this year and no way he goes before the 4th or 5th round of the draft, if he's even drafted at all. He's looked bad.

It's not always that simple, but it's hard to have a very good team with a very good QB, especially in this modern era of high scoring offenses.

We did it with some good 'uns like GMac and Coker, but I suppose that wouldn't work as well anymore. But from watching Klubnick so far, I think ole Dabo would kill for a Gmac or Coker right now.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

It's not always that simple, but it's hard to have a very good team with a very good QB, especially in this modern era of high scoring offenses.

We did it with some good 'uns like GMac and Coker, but I suppose that wouldn't work as well anymore. But from watching Klubnick so far, I think ole Dabo would kill for a Gmac or Coker right now.

Have you watched him play this season? He's hardly an "average" QB at best right now. He's not seeing wide open receivers, making grossly wrong reads at the line, etc. He's already thrown half the interceptions through three games that he threw all of last season. Below are Klubnik's stats through three games and Ty's stats through three games. Klubnik was supposed to have Ty's stats, and most pundits would have told you before the season that Ty would have Klubnik's stats. Dabo has a quarterback problem, just like Texas does.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I get his 'good ole boy' demeanor along with his Bama background endear him to some here, but I've long suspected that his success (suddenly consistently winning at least 10 games every year after starting his first three years with a combined record of 19-15) was achieved via the continuation of what got Bama hammered while he was here.

That tracks.

It would have given him an advantage before and especially in the ACC and with FSU and Miami not being what they were before during much of that time.

Now everyone can pay players and he took a stance against it so he’s put himself at a disadvantage.

He’s also not had the benefit of his staff staying together year after year anymore.

Edit: They also got busted for stealing signs and teams probably changed signals accordingly.

 

[Bubbaloo]

Clempson is still Aubarn with a lake.... Given a generational quarterback, a superb defensive line and a weak schedule , a championship ensues!

 

[arthurdawg]

Without getting too deep into the weeds seems like we've had quite a few high profile guys who seemed to struggle with the basics in recent years. Milroe, Nico, DJ Ukelele, Klubnik, Arch...

Not saying less talented, but really struggling with the basics of running the offense, making basic reads, etc.

 

[JDCrimson]

He probably was feeling Dabo out. Meanwhile Byrne was on the phone with CKD offering a fully guaranteed contract and writing a blank check to Milroe.

I think as time passes we will learn more that there was a transition plan in place. But that all went in the hand basket when Saban abruptly retired which resulted in going into crisis mode.

Maybe so, but I'd love to know the details of the phone call between Saban and Dabo right after Saban decided to retire. I can't help but wonder if Saban was testing Dabo at all to see if he was interested. I know Dabo said publicly many times he's happy at Clemson.

 

[arthurdawg]

He probably was feeling Dabo out. Meanwhile Byrne was on the phone with CKD offering a fully guaranteed contract and writing a blank check to Milroe.

I think as time passes we will learn more that there was a transition plan in place. But that all went in the hand basket when Saban abruptly retired which resulted in going into crisis mode.

I had heard for years about how great our transition plan was and how Saban would carefully step down. And then he basically decided as he was walking into the auditorium... Oof!

I don't blame him though... The football world had and has changed.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I had heard for years about how great our transition plan was and how Saban would carefully step down. And then he basically decided as he was walking into the auditorium... Oof!

I don't blame him though... The football world had and has changed.

I really wish he hadn't done it that way. Granted, he doesn't owe me anything, but it just might of saved us from accepting the ridiculous buyout number that Jimmy Sexton demanded in DeBoer's contract. Not saying we shouldn't have hired DeBoer after Saban, but if it had been "by the plan," we would have had more leverage at the negotiating table and pushed a lower number back across the table rather than just saying "tell us where to sign, Jimmy!".

 

[JDCrimson]

I don't agree. You dont walkout on a program that collectively you helped build into the preeminent program in history - regardless of the circumstances or era of college football.

And he can say what he wants but he made the decision before the 2023 season to retire. He just didnt tell all the people he should have, aka his boss.

I heard it in several places in August 2023 by people who would know.

Saban nor the AD either didnt know or appreciate the transfer portal window opening only for Bama for 30 days allowing every program poach everyone of our players.

I am convinced replacing your coach during the season is the only way going forward to potentially mitigate the roster loss.

I had heard for years about how great our transition plan was and how Saban would carefully step down. And then he basically decided as he was walking into the auditorium... Oof!

I don't blame him though... The football world had and has changed.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I not sure there was a ‘Best Way’ for CNS to leave.

Teams were already trying to use his age against him for years in recruiting.

If he comes out before or during the season and says he’s retiring then recruiting would have taken a big hit and especially with no immediate replacement known.

He probably also had no idea just how bad the rats would jump ship into the Portal.

If he has been retiring pre NIL/Portal era there would have been a better way to navigate everything.

It’s hard for me to hold much against him or the exit.

He won 6 NC’s in 9 NCG appearances and 9 SECC in 10 appearances.

His final season he went to the Semifinals w/o a QB.

At least he didn’t go out like Bowden or Paterno with the programs on life support.

 

[arthurdawg]

I don't agree. You dont walkout on a program that collectively you helped build into the preeminent program in history - regardless of the circumstances or era of college football.

And he can say what he wants but he made the decision before the 2023 season to retire. He just didnt tell all the people he should have, aka his boss.

I heard it in several places in August 2023 by people who would know.

Saban nor the AD either didnt know or appreciate the transfer portal window opening only for Bama for 30 days allowing every program poach everyone of our players.

I am convinced replacing tour coach during the season is the only way going forward to potentially mitigate the roster loss.

I have no doubt that he was thinking about it well in advance... and through 2023 the energy was off.

But... He should have sat down at the beginning of 2023 and told the AD and worked from there.

 

[Joefus]

Those who know, know (I don't) but they claim Bama would never hire him because of something(s) he did when he coached under Coach Stallings.

Someone asked about what Clemson was before Dabo and someone answered "Clemsoning" but IIRC, that was true for several years after Dabo took over there too. It's like they inventing ways to lose, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

But, to his credit, he learned how to win and he won big for a while. But it seems things have leveled out now for reasons stated earlier in the thread.

And one other thing for the Clemson fanbase to remember: Were it not for Danny Ford and Dabo Sweeney, Clemson wouldn't have anything to brag about minus those two Bama boys.

If I’m not mistaken he was the bag man for a bit and the means sitch was the reason he had to start doing real estate after he was let go at bama. Clemson (Tommy) hired him when literally no one else would. He was radioactive

 

[Valley View]

I saw some show with Stephen A. Smith saying Dabo has been slow to get on the NIL and transfer portal program and is now playing catchup.