Dems lose Kennedy's seat in Senate

cuda.1973

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Health care is not dead. Get ready for an all-out, full court press.

Bank taxes are next.

The rein of the Chosen One has effectively been ended after one year. They don't see it that way. They see it as proof they have not gone far enough.

Radicals do not retreat. They "double down" and go even more radical. Just wait and see............
 

CrimsonNan

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1 dem gone, many more to follow (hopefully).
Well said. There was Virginia and New Jersy, now Mass. so could it be that Obama is going to "get the message".

It's so like "O" to blame someone else - Coakley, that is - for losing and never taking any blame himself. Guess he thought making fun of Brown driving a pickup truck with 200,000 miles on it, and other such things, that it was cute and funny, and could get "Marcia" - as she was called - more votes. Everywhere he goes to pump up the voters, they lose. Lololololololol!!!
 

gmart74

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I agree -- I think you'll see a REVOLT like never before.
there wasnt a revolt when 100's of billions were stolen and given to wall street elites, why should anyone care now? a revolt is what we need. somehow i feel americans have lost the personal independence to ever stand up to their government no matter what happens.
 

Bama1970

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there wasnt a revolt when 100's of billions were stolen and given to wall street elites, why should anyone care now? a revolt is what we need. somehow i feel americans have lost the personal independence to ever stand up to their government no matter what happens.
Sad but true.
 

TommyMac

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I wouldn't be so sure that Obamacare is dead. To assume that would be placing blind faith in the rest of the GOP senators being united against it. Don't forget, they're politicians and are not above selling out if they get the right deal. :mad: I don't trust any of the slimy opportunists.
 

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The Dems know that they are about to be slaughtered in the mid-terms. I would say just about every Senator and Congressman up for re-election who voted for this health debacle and the Cap and Tax scheme are going to lose badly. They have no reason not to double down in their mind. If they do though the long-term damage may be even more profound than the damage Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have already done. Last night just assured that Barack Hussein Obama is on the clock as a one-termer. Were he not a complete hack ideologue I could see a Clintonesque sprint to the center but that ship has sailed.
 

Bodhisattva

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Last night just assured that Barack Hussein Obama is on the clock as a one-termer. Were he not a complete hack ideologue I could see a Clintonesque sprint to the center but that ship has sailed.
That will be interesting to watch. Clinton was the ultimate politician. He ran as a centrist, shifted left once in office with health care as a major issue, got his arse handed to him in the 1994midterms, and adopted nearly all the Republican issues as his own so he could claim success.

Will Barry do a Clinton-esque triangulation? Is he capable of being a pragmatist? I don't think so, but we'll see. I think Barry is a dyed-in-the-wool leftist and will sacrifice a second term in exchange for New Deal-style big government programs. But, many of his advisors have greater allegiance to their careers and will want to moderate these plans to hold onto power into a second term.

Pass the popcorn, please. :cool:
 
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+1 for the Senate.

His daughter is much hotter than any of the Kennedys'.:biggrin2:

 

CrimsonNan

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Although I feel hopeful since this election in Mass. I heard just this morning that some of the "leaders" met into the wee hours of the morning in "Bela Lugosi's" (that's Pelosi to you) office to plot their next strategy.

After all, Obama IS a Marxist following the "book" on how to run this country in the ground.
 
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I think if Brown can keep from killing someone he will be one to watch on the national scene as well.
As much as the GOP has much to be happy about in this win, Brown supports abortion, supports MA healthcare (authored by none other than former GOP Gov. Mitt Romney).

I doubt he'll be a GOP favorite at the national level any more than Romney or Giuliani. He'll try to say he didn't really mean to support health ins. reform and abortion, but, like the other two, conservative Republicans won't buy it.
 

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As much as the GOP has much to be happy about in this win, Brown supports abortion, supports MA healthcare (authored by none other than former GOP Gov. Mitt Romney).

I doubt he'll be a GOP favorite at the national level any more than Romney or Giuliani. He'll try to say he didn't really mean to support health ins. reform and abortion, but, like the other two, conservative Republicans won't buy it.
So your saying he's an independent thinker. Hmmm, such a travesty.
 

Bodhisattva

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As much as the GOP has much to be happy about in this win, Brown supports abortion, supports MA healthcare (authored by none other than former GOP Gov. Mitt Romney).

I doubt he'll be a GOP favorite at the national level any more than Romney or Giuliani. He'll try to say he didn't really mean to support health ins. reform and abortion, but, like the other two, conservative Republicans won't buy it.
It will be interesting to see how Brown rises in the GOP, if at all. It would be nice if the social conservatives didn't have such a hold on the party. If the GOP would focus on fiscal responsibility and small government they'd be much better off nationally.

Regarding MA healthcare, it's consititutional and it's a state issue. And the citizens of MA will figure out for themselves if their plan is sound economically.
 

Crimson Speed

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I'm enjoying watching the cast of characters on MSNBC try to spin that Massachusetts was anything but a very Blue state.

It was the candidate, blah, blah, blah, not anything in Washington, blah, blah, blah...
Yes, and that is the problem here; the democrats, even after being trounced in Virginia, New Jersey, and now Mass, still don't get it. They really believe the American public is just to dumb to know what is best and they expect everyone to just follow along, as if we are a bunch of zombies. This health care thing is not over yet. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi don't care what Americans think. They will do anything and everything possible to futher their Marxist agenda. We are in a fight for the freedom and future of America as we know it.
 

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Part of Sol (Saul) Alinsky's "Rules for Radical":


7. Tactics

"Tactics are those conscious deliberate acts by which human beings live with each other and deal with the world around them. ... Here our concern is with the tactic of taking; how the Have-Nots can take power away from the Haves." p.126

Always remember the first rule of power tactics (pps.127-134):

1. "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."

2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.

3. "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time...."

8. "Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose."

9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."

10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign."

11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside... every positive has its negative."

12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.'...

"...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?' When your 'freeze the target,' you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the 'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...'

"One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other." (pps.127-134)




Alinsky's Rules for Radicals: "Known as the 'father of modern American radicalism,' Saul D. Alinsky (1909-1972) developed strategies and tactics that take the enormous, unfocused emotional energy of grassroots groups and transform it into effective anti-government and anti-corporate activism. ... Some of these rules are ruthless, but they work."
 

Bamaro

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I have to say that its rather interesting to see all the celebration of a rep victory by those who previously have said they are not republican, both parties are corrupt yada, yada.
To me it is just a mirror of the special election in NY last month and proves that all politics are local.
It really wont change much. The dems were incompetent with 60 votes, they will still be incompetent with 59. The reps seem to do OK when they have 51. :conf2:
 
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