Did T-Town Menswear Cause an NCAA Violation For Alabama? (UA says no)

[Crimson Cat]

Travis can spew all he wants to (and barn fans & UTee fans can lap it up all they want)...no one outside a few cow pies in Lee County and a couple of blow-hard bloggers gives a care.



Meanwhile, both *U and Utee teams will still be lucky to make bowl game this year and Alabama sits at a #2 ranking...and is the ncaa through with Utee or *U yet?

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

if the player knew, or should have known, that he was signing memorabilia for a guy who was going to use it to 'encourage' or 'entice' people to shop in his store. Or whatever the quoted the bylaw in the letter states......I can't remember the wording.

After the $cam fiasco, I'd love to see the NCAA try to prove what our guys "should have known." DT_gun:

 

[IH8Orange]

Even as much trouble as Tray Clavis is attempting to cause for Bama, I'm thankful that he's no longer practicing law. It's fairly obvious that he lets his own biases and hatred blind his judgement. In his mind, credible evidence is optional when making a verdict.

Who knows how many people would suffer from his disregard for the burden of proof.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Clay's premise is this:

He's not disputing that it's okay for the players to sign autographs. He is stating that, some of these guys signed so many autographs at so many different times, that it's virtually impossible they didn't know the store owner was using them to draw business in.

He's not even saying that he knows they were getting paid for their signatures. He said today he is questioning the players' eligibility. If it were a one time, isolated event, the UofA could say 'yeah, we sent a cease and desist'. But the frequency by which the players were going to the store and signing things, it should have been obvious that the owner was using their autographs for his gain, and that's the very violation the UofA cited in their letter.

He claims that the UofA should have ruled them ineligible, reported the occurence(s) to the NCAA, allowed the NCAA to reinstate the players, and move on. As it stands, Clay feels we played ineligible players.

Yah, we get that, but UA compliance knows a *little* bit more about the rules and what our players are doing than he does.

We're on probation - we're not going to play with the fire of sitting on something.

He's just desperate for traffic.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

YET, ua investigated at a time after all the pics were taken and FOUND NO VIOLATIONS THAT WOULD JEOPARDIZE ELIGIBILITY. UA has addressed it as much as they want to. they've obviously held back some of it as not to embarass the people involved more than necessary and clay's argument back is "nuh uh".

If UA had found anything that endagered eligibility it would have been reported and taken care of, you DONT REPORT NON VIOLATIONS TO THE NCAA. They dont want you to.

Clay's entire case is "its making me money therefore it must be a problem". And to this point the NCAA seems to be ok with UA's investigation. UNTIL or IF we hear otherwise this isnt even an issue.

Has he ever treated the fact that our findings were taken to the SEC office, cleared there, and that we were told not to bother with submitting them to the NCAA? I think I know the answer...

 

[GP for Bama]

I'm with you. I think the only way there is any real trouble, anything greater than a secondary violation, is if it is found that the players received benefits. And I pray pray pray that they didn't!

I pray pray pray with you.

 

[MVKTR2]

Even as much trouble as Tray Clavis is attempting to cause for Bama, I'm thankful that he's no longer practicing law. It's fairly obvious that he lets his own biases and hatred blind his judgement. In his mind, credible evidence is optional when making a verdict.

Who knows how many people would suffer from his disregard for the burden of proof.

Umm the modern practice of 'law' as we know it in the U.S. is by no means a search for truth by either plantiffs, defendants, or prosecutors.

Where there's smoke there's fire... this story doesn't even have a spark, let alone smoke. Till someone produces some 'benefits' this is a non-starter.

 

[BamaJeff]

A co-worker said this story was brought up on ESPN this afternoon. He says he saw it while in the break room at work. He said he didn't catch the whole thing but got the impression that the NCAA is "looking into the situation." I'm not trying to start rumor. But just wondering if this was really on ESPN. Did any of you see it?

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

A co-worker said this story was brought up on ESPN this afternoon. He says he saw it while in the break room at work. He said he didn't catch the whole thing but got the impression that the NCAA is "looking into the situation." I'm not trying to start rumor. But just wondering if this was really on ESPN. Did any of you see it?

Bama has been on ESPN all day, but i havent heard anything about this on there. its mostly been because Jessie Palmer has been in town today talking about the team, you know that sport they play when they aren't signing autographs for nefarious fawning shop owners. But all good stuff as well as Sabans comments about jounalists printing stories with no research or credentials....not sure who he was talking about.

If ESPN had mentioned that, We would have a tweet about it from a few or all of our media guys, especially Cecil.

 

[BamaJeff]

Bama has been on ESPN all day, but i havent heard anything about this on there.

Yeah I watched when I was on my break and Jesse Palmer discussed Bama's #2 ranking. But I never heard anything about any potential violations regarding Trent. Maybe the co-worker was pulling my leg.

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

Yeah I watched when I was on my break and Jesse Palmer discussed Bama's #2 ranking. But I never heard anything about any potential violations regarding Trent. Maybe the co-worker was pulling my leg.

think so, or he may have caught the Saban rant today and took it out of context, or maybe ESPN mentioned the Travis report. Im wathing sportscenter on ESPNnews and they are about to talk about bama but I figure its the same package theyve been running all day.

 

[edwd58]

Just when you begin to think that maybe, I stress maybe, the Bama/UT rivalry can return to some degree of civility, along comes this tool spewing his vitriol, and once again I find myself wanting UT's problems to continue and for us to beat the crap out of them. Well, I confess, I want to beat the crap out of them all the time anyway, but you know what I mean.

 

[bamanut_aj]

Has he ever treated the fact that our findings were taken to the SEC office, cleared there, and that we were told not to bother with submitting them to the NCAA? I think I know the answer...

No, he has not. He continues to hammer the point that we never took it to the NCAA, yet makes no mention of us taking it to the SEC. I think I have even heard him say we never took it to the SEC, either. As if to hint that we just did our own little 'sweep it under the rug' investigation and called it done.

 

[RedStar]

Just when you begin to think that maybe, I stress maybe, the Bama/UT rivalry can return to some degree of civility, along comes this tool spewing his vitriol, and once again I find myself wanting UT's problems to continue and for us to beat the crap out of them. Well, I confess, I want to beat the crap out of them all the time anyway, but you know what I mean.

To be fair, most UT fans hate the guy too.

 

[bamabelle1991]

A co-worker said this story was brought up on ESPN this afternoon. He says he saw it while in the break room at work. He said he didn't catch the whole thing but got the impression that the NCAA is "looking into the situation." I'm not trying to start rumor. But just wondering if this was really on ESPN. Did any of you see it?

Bama has been on ESPN all day, but i havent heard anything about this on there. its mostly been because Jessie Palmer has been in town today talking about the team, you know that sport they play when they aren't signing autographs for nefarious fawning shop owners. But all good stuff as well as Sabans comments about jounalists printing stories with no research or credentials....not sure who he was talking about.

If ESPN had mentioned that, We would have a tweet about it from a few or all of our media guys, especially Cecil.

Yeah I watched when I was on my break and Jesse Palmer discussed Bama's #2 ranking. But I never heard anything about any potential violations regarding Trent. Maybe the co-worker was pulling my leg.

Ditto to all three comments above. I watched the Jesse Palmer interview twice and ESPN for about 90 minutes and never saw anything about this ridiculous "suitgate" issue.

 

[BamaGoose]

Only reason this story has legs is that people outside of the scum bag travis keeps it in the news. IMO, time to close the thread. :biga:

 

[Glenn_B]

I'm guessing he probably saw the comment on CSS Sports Talk, not ESPN. They mentioned it in passing...

 

[CullmanTide]

Just when you begin to think that maybe, I stress maybe, the Bama/UT rivalry can return to some degree of civility, along comes this tool spewing his vitriol, and once again I find myself wanting UT's problems to continue and for us to beat the crap out of them. Well, I confess, I want to beat the crap out of them all the time anyway, but you know what I mean.

To be fair, most UT fans hate the guy too.

The barners love the scumbag.

 

[bamaguy32]

i hate to bring up a hopefully dead topic, but if the allegations are all true, and the narrative created by SbB/C.T. is more accurate than the current one told by the compliance office, what's the worse we could be looking at here? vacating wins and a few players ineligible until they pay back benefits for this year? or are we potentially looking at scholarship reduction/loss of post-season. again, want to stress that i'm not saying anything is true, just wondering what the penalties would be for these violations.

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

i hate to bring up a hopefully dead topic, but if the allegations are all true, and the narrative created by SbB/C.T. is more accurate than the current one told by the compliance office, what's the worse we could be looking at here? vacating wins and a few players ineligible until they pay back benefits for this year? or are we potentially looking at scholarship reduction/loss of post-season. again, want to stress that i'm not saying anything is true, just wondering what the penalties would be for these violations.

OMG. please let this go, this topic is DEAD, the NCAA seems to have no concern over it. Stop stirring it up unless something new comes out. MODS i beg you to LOCK THIS THREAD.