Didnt believe Deboer (About Milroe) - no teasers please

[22Musso22]

Never believed Deboer when he said Milroe had made all these improvements over offseason. He looked bad at A day. He looks the exact same as he did 2 years ago. What he does wrong is instinct you can't coach it this far along. It wasn't possible for him to improve his qb play. He got over on alot of people his attitude and charisma brings you in but it was never happening.

Qb has to be able to feel pressure and step up in pocket can't drift you run into d end everytime.
Has be able to throw the quick slant
Has to recognize coverage. By default can't cover everyone the double covered guy should never get the ball
Has to look off safety
No amount of coaching will help you run read option Has to be instinctive react to the option player
College qb has to be able to slide coverage center can't do it he doesn't have the view qb does.

Hundreds of great athletes with great arms get told every year your not a qb change positions because they can't comprehend what it takes to play qb. Nobody ever told Milroe. 3 offense coordinator two different head coaches and he still looks the exact same. Easy to game plan for minus Kirby who becausen of his scheme he always matched up well with.

 

[M2J]

I don't agree with you.......yet. The fact that he never held Milroe accountable for stinking up the joint in multiple games means he gets to listen to everyone question his competence until next September. So be it.

I've defended Milroe to some degree, but I do agree that CKD not feeling like he could bench Jalen for whatever reason is worrying. Either he felt too grateful to Jalen for staying and holding things together. Or he doesn't have faith in the backups or worse he felt he would lose the team or didn't install a gameplan for the backups.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I get that some of y'all need to vent - and I have unanswered questions about CKD myself - but suggesting he was 'the wrong hire' after one season is ridiculous. He may well be the wrong guy, but there's literally zero chance you know that at this point.

And yes, if he fails, I know some of you will strut about as if you were somehow prescient rather that guessing luckily on what amounts to a 50/50 proposition...

So go ahead and vent, talk about how bad he is, etc. But I'll keep receipts and expect you to eat crow just as publicly when/if you're proven wrong.

RTR

 

[AWRTR]

The 2007 team ended the regular season with 4 straight loses including La-Monroe, MSU coached by Croom and a 6th straight Loss to auburn, then barely winning the Independence Bowl. Are you sure you're remembering correctly?

I felt better after national signing day that year.

 

[AWRTR]

I get that some of y'all need to vent - and I have unanswered questions about CKD myself - but suggesting he was 'the wrong hire' after one season is ridiculous. He may well be the wrong guy, but there's literally zero chance you know that at this point.

And yes, if he fails, I know some of you will strut about as if you were somehow prescient rather that guessing luckily on what amounts to a 50/50 proposition...

So go ahead and vent, talk about how bad he is, etc. But I'll keep receipts and expect you to eat crow just as publicly when/if you're proven wrong.

RTR

He’s got a total mulligan from me for this year. If half the stuff that’s been said by people on this board that have gotten things right for years because they obviously have access to information I don’t is true then his hands were tied in some ways and he had to play the hand he was given. It wasn’t a good hand. I want to see him get to play with the cards he draws himself.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

I've defended Milroe to some degree, but I do agree that CKD not feeling like he could bench Jalen for whatever reason is worrying. Either he felt too grateful to Jalen for staying and holding things together. Or he doesn't have faith in the backups or worse he felt he would lose the team or didn't install a gameplan for the backups.

Give it a year or 2. I have a feeling there's more to it than we're privy to, but things usually come out eventually. I don't think it's as simple as DeBoer being so incompetent that he refuses to makea QB change. It's pretty clear at this point that some sort of deal was made to hold together the roster that involved Milroe being the unquestioned starter. But even if I'm wrong, and that wasn't the case, there are plenty of other reasons why he wouldn't make the change today. For starters, the offense we have installed is more suitable to Milroe than it is for Simpson. Even if Simpson came in, we wouldn't be running the DeBoer offense, because it's not installed. It would be this shell of the offense that we had to create for Milroe. There's also the fact that Ty has basically zero meaningful game experience, and not much experience with the first team, and we'd be throwing him to the wolves. Maybe it's best that he didn't play. In the worst case scenario, you'd be killing the confidence of your presumed starter for next year, and in the best case scenario, he comes in and wins a meaningless bowl game that half the fanbase claimed they didn't even care about until we lost. I'm just not sure it was worth it.

And if we're being honest, I think I'd have been a little more upset if he did make a change today, after not doing so when it actually counted and we had a shot at the playoffs.

 

[colbysullivan]

How is someone with a 90% winning percentage, over multiple collegiate divisions (with a cfb championship appearance), not a finished product?

Only a small bit of that was in the Power 4/5, and none of it in the SEC meatgrinder

 

[colbysullivan]

I get that some of y'all need to vent - and I have unanswered questions about CKD myself - but suggesting he was 'the wrong hire' after one season is ridiculous. He may well be the wrong guy, but there's literally zero chance you know that at this point.

And yes, if he fails, I know some of you will strut about as if you were somehow prescient rather that guessing luckily on what amounts to a 50/50 proposition...

So go ahead and vent, talk about how bad he is, etc. But I'll keep receipts and expect you to eat crow just as publicly when/if you're proven wrong.

RTR

It’s too early either way IMO. I’m rooting for him, I know that much. But if Milroe comes back and isn’t immediately shown the bench, I won’t watch a single play.

 

[rolltide_21]

I knew. KNEW. The way that he managed that 2007 roster told me. The way that he recruited told me. I had no idea that he would be the GOAT, but I knew that he would win championships at Alabama after the 2007 season

It really wasn’t the 2007 season. It was signing day 2008. We never had a haul like that. Completely changed the roster. Even then, though, we were underdogs to a mediocre Clemson team to start the 2008 season. Their dynamic duo RBs were supposed to wipe bama off the map. I’d say it was the 2008 season that showed what was coming. Not so much 2007

 

[NorCalTide]

I don't think we fully understand what was going on behind the scenes from the day CNS retired to today. I suspect that a number of people have hit it on the head regarding NIL/LANK/Roster deals that were made to prevent a complete disaster in the portal last January. CKD inherited $10 million a year problems and with that pay comes $10 million dollar a year expectations. I sincerely hope that 1/1/2025 marks the full implementation of CKD's program and ends the transitional period. CKD record of success at all levels up to this point gives me confidence that he will get this right given enough time. I know this is the SEC and there are levels to every game, but usually people with the track record he has will adapt their system and do well.

 

[AWRTR]

It’s too early either way IMO. I’m rooting for him, I know that much. But if Milroe comes back and isn’t immediately shown the bench, I won’t watch a single play.

Me too. If Milroe comes back I’ll take the year off and try again in 2026.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

I wouldn’t go that far

I am joking( blue font)

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

I get that some of y'all need to vent - and I have unanswered questions about CKD myself - but suggesting he was 'the wrong hire' after one season is ridiculous. He may well be the wrong guy, but there's literally zero chance you know that at this point.

And yes, if he fails, I know some of you will strut about as if you were somehow prescient rather that guessing luckily on what amounts to a 50/50 proposition...

So go ahead and vent, talk about how bad he is, etc. But I'll keep receipts and expect you to eat crow just as publicly when/if you're proven wrong.

RTR

I dont want the guy to fail...............I still have high hopes that things come together. I take no pleasure in seeing Bama football go to low levels. I think the guy deserves his full contract and he may well make us all look silly, and if so, so be it.........

 

[LeBron47]

There’s a huge difference. There was an optimism after Saban’s first year. We knew it was getting better. With DeBoer, it feels like Shula. This isn’t going to end well.

Obviously you didn’t attend the ULM game after that game there were some serious questions about whether he was going to get it done. He had to play out the players that Shula left and the next season there started to be some daylight as to what we could be under Saban, but no one had any idea of how great it would be

 

[BamaSC]

Obviously you didn’t attend the ULM game after that game there were some serious questions about whether he was going to get it done. He had to play out the players that Shula left and the next season there started to be some daylight as to what we could be under Saban, but no one had any idea of how great it would be

So you are seriously trying to equate 2007 Bama to 2024 Bama? And Nick Saban to Deboer? Saban took over a rusted out Pinto and turned it into a Ferrari. Deboer wrecked the Ferrari and lit it on fire.

 

[BamaBoySince89]

I knew. KNEW. The way that he managed that 2007 roster told me. The way that he recruited told me. I had no idea that he would be the GOAT, but I knew that he would win championships at Alabama after the 2007 season

Plus when Saban arrived, it was more about will he bolt after 4-5 years, winning a NC was inevitable.

 

[CoolBreeze]

I get that some of y'all need to vent - and I have unanswered questions about CKD myself - but suggesting he was 'the wrong hire' after one season is ridiculous. He may well be the wrong guy, but there's literally zero chance you know that at this point.

And yes, if he fails, I know some of you will strut about as if you were somehow prescient rather that guessing luckily on what amounts to a 50/50 proposition...

So go ahead and vent, talk about how bad he is, etc. But I'll keep receipts and expect you to eat crow just as publicly when/if you're proven wrong.

RTR

My experience that you have to give it a few days Bro. Always gonna be venters after games like this. Frankly, I have nothing positive to say either so what the heck am I doing here. See you guys later lol.

 

[BamaSC]

I get that some of y'all need to vent - and I have unanswered questions about CKD myself - but suggesting he was 'the wrong hire' after one season is ridiculous. He may well be the wrong guy, but there's literally zero chance you know that at this point.

And yes, if he fails, I know some of you will strut about as if you were somehow prescient rather that guessing luckily on what amounts to a 50/50 proposition...

So go ahead and vent, talk about how bad he is, etc. But I'll keep receipts and expect you to eat crow just as publicly when/if you're proven wrong.

RTR

Love ya, but yeah, CKD is a buster. And I’ll be happy to eat some crow, but don’t think I’ll have to on this one.

 

[crimsonaudio]

My experience that you have to give it a few days Bro. Always gonna be venters after games like this. Frankly, I have nothing positive to say either so what the heck am I doing here. See you guys later lol.

I've been at this for a minute, I get that.

But some of these takes are so silly I have to comment. Mouth before brain is rarely beneficial.

 

[AlexanderFan]

There’s a huge difference. There was an optimism after Saban’s first year. We knew it was getting better. With DeBoer, it feels like Shula. This isn’t going to end well.

The only similarity between Saban’s first year and CKD’s first year is that it was a coach’s first year at Alabama. The college football world has been turned upside down. Nothing is the same. Saban drew criticism for delaying enrollment, now Duke has dropped eight million bucks on a quarterback.

Nothing is comparable to the past now. There is a Berlin Wall sized line of demarcation: Pre and Post NIL.

I have no idea if CKD will be a success at Alabama, but I do know trying to compare his current job atmosphere to Saban’s is terribly unfair.