Question: Do all or most coaches use foul language?

[TommyMac]

Sorry folks, but in an all male environment, you will almost without fail, find some bad language. Matter of fact, you'll find a lot of it. It doesn't define the character of the men using it either. During my time in the Navy and in the fire service, I met and worked with some of the finest men I've ever known......and some of the most accomplished cussers too.

 

[bamabryan]

Here's two interesting thoughts I've heard.

I read one time that profanity shows a persons lack of vocabulary. I'm sure many of you have heard this as well.

The other side of this is I know a pastor that I have a lot of respect for and think a lot of him as a human being who once told me he did not trust a man that never cussed. I've known this man for about thirty years, but I've never heard him curse which is interesting considering what he told me.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with either. I'm just sharing these two thoughts with everyone.

 

[twofbyc]

Sorry folks, but in an all male environment, you will almost without fail, find some bad language. Matter of fact, you'll find a lot of it. It doesn't define the character of the men using it either. During my time in the Navy and in the fire service, I met and worked with some of the finest men I've ever known......and some of the most accomplished cussers too.

Good point...working offshore, I heard words I didn't even know existed, and I didn't grow up with a small vocabulary. In an all-male environment, it is what it is. With "outsiders" (females or those not part of the group) it becomes unacceptable.

 

[lafella]

Discounting volunteer coaches ( pee wee ) I don't know of one coach personally that doesn't cuss. Baseball, Basketball, or Football .. I even know a soccer coach :biggrin: .


I would definitely go with most... then again I don't know all of them or even most of them had to say. I do know 100% of the ones I do know curse at least every now and then.

 

[bamachile]

Actually, most Americans use foul language. If you think it's a male thing, you've never worked in an environment where you were the only guy.

Among the bad habits I've dropped, foul language was about middle of the pack in difficulty. At first you still get caught off guard when things go bad, but after a little work you can get to a point where cursing just isn't part of your vocabulary. Put it this way - cleaning up my vocabulary was about 1000% easier than quitting smoking.

 

[IH8Orange]

Because my 4 and 6 year old then ask me what the sound those air pressure waves crashing against their ear drums mean. Then I have to keep them from creating those air pressure waves themselves.
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I feel your pain. I have a 3 and 6 year old.

The point still remains that we sit and cheer on these men as they attempt to violently perturb the motion of each other's bodies and then we worry about the words that they say. We celebrate their aggressiveness, strength and surliness, but then expect them to speak in the manner of a Sunday school teacher.

I'm just being realistic.

 

[BamaGoose]

And this from a guy who started this thread named Jack Daniel's?

Seriously, guys this is football in college. I have had bosses who cussed every other breath when something went wrong but overall they were pretty good guys who wore their emotions on their sleeves. This ain't Sunday school.

 

[Alasippi]

Profanity has no place at all in youth league sports like Little League Baseball or Pee Wee football.

I was privileged to coach Two Mississippi State Championship Little League teams and one runner up. I did a whole lot of cursing....lol...I just didn't say it out loud. In other words I never cursed.

But once kid players grow into young men players profanity can sometimes grab their attention when nothing else will. But it has to be well timed and it has to be an exception, rather than the rule.

An example would be the coach who constantly screams at his players. They eventually grow deaf ears.

But that non-screaming coach who never yells at the players, well, when he does, you better believe they listen. Because it's out of the norm and they KNOW the coach means business. Else he wouldn't have screamed or yelled in the first place. Coach Saban is an expert at that type of timing.

The one time I remember using profanity in front of my players was when my son played 16-17 year old recreation basketball. (I know...small time), but the kids were competitive and they were at an age where they wanted to win.

We were undefeated at 6-0 playing another 6-0 team. They were a total bunch of thugs with an obnoxious, cocky, loud coach......but they were so much better than us it was ridiculous. They had killed everybody they played by scores of like 89-12. We had kinda scraped by.

I honestly never coached a game where, going in, I thought we'd lose, except for this game. I told my wife secretly "We could play as good as we can possibly play and lose by 50 points".

Well the game started and we went back and forth. It was 12-10 when the other teams best player stole the ball and broke for a layup. My son reached out and hacked him(legally) to prevent the easy bucket.

The kid turned, threw the ball and hit my son in the face, busting his nose.

I again emphasize the word THUGS.

Throwing the ball at another player, by rule, was an automatic ejection. But since the ref was the opposing teams coaches brother, he told the players to shake hands and said there would be no ejection. I protested a bit but nothing major.

Then, to top it off, the thug refused to shake hands with my son and the ref did nothing.

So I went ballistic. I got a technical. The result of the play was the other team got two free throws, two technical foul shots and the ball. There was no penalty at all for the ball throwing and the busted nose.

I called time out. I told my players..."I've never said the word win to you guys...not one time. I've always said play hard, play loose and have fun...right? (reply-RIGHT!) Well gentlemen,( and I was animated) when we go back on that court....I want you to kick their ..."!!

Timing.

We beat them by 30 points.

After the game their coach, the thugs Daddy, wouldn't shake my hand accusing me of teaching my players to be way too physical and dirty.

I had the privilege of saying.."Dirty's a ball in the face ***hole. Hustle, rebounding and defense AIN'T.

Long story I know but I love telling it.

sip

 

[Dallas4Bama]

Seriously, guys this is football in college.

Go back and reread the original post by JD. He says he can see it in college, but is disturbed by it in front of Pee Wee League age kids. I for one agree that it's a little ridiculous to be screaming and cussing at little kids. If you can't control, motivate and manage 6 year olds without cursing at them you need to find something else to do with your time.

 

[Alasippi]

Go back and reread the original post by JD. He says he can see it in college, but is disturbed by it in front of Pee Wee League age kids. I for one agree that it's a little ridiculous to be screaming and cussing at little kids. If you can't control, motivate and manage 6 year olds without cursing at them you need to find something else to do with your time.

ditto

 

[BamaGoose]

Go back and reread the original post by JD. He says he can see it in college, but is disturbed by it in front of Pee Wee League age kids. I for one agree that it's a little ridiculous to be screaming and cussing at little kids. If you can't control, motivate and manage 6 year olds without cursing at them you need to find something else to do with your time.

I thought this was a college football forum not peewee forum. Maybe the thread just needs to be moved.

 

[JDCrimson]

Have you ever watched Paula Deen's cooking show?! She let's them slip quite regularly. I asked my wife about that the other night and she said it was known, by women I guess, that Paula Deen is a vuuulgar lady. You would think given her profile should could contain it better.

What you do in your garage or at the hunting camp is your business - but obscene talk in business will never get you very far.

 

[TideFan in AU]

Pretty much all my much coaches did on every level. It was on a much smaller scale on the pee wee level.n It was never realy dire ted AT me. My pee wee coaches said stuff to the effect of "Knock his a-- off the ball" and I remember one in particular that told me to "Don't worry about blocking anybody else. "MAKE SURE YOU BLOCK THAT D--- NUMBER 32!" After little league, I actually got cussed at, at times. Right or wrong, I gotta say it was effective motivation though.

 

[hollisx4]

When I was growing up, us boys where I lived were taught that you didn't talk "rough" talk around females. But if it was all guys, then the occasional curse words were tolerated, and I don't mean the hardcore ones that are so prevalent with every reality TV show on these days, you folks know what I mean I'm sure.

It still bothers me to hear females curse, it probably shouldn't but it does. And these young girls today talk worse than us boys did in our wildest dreams back then.

Maybe I'm just getting old.

 

[MobtownK]

When I was growing up, us boys where I lived were taught that you didn't talk "rough" talk around females. But if it was all guys, then the occasional curse words were tolerated, and I don't mean the hardcore ones that are so prevalent with every reality TV show on these days, you folks know what I mean I'm sure.

It still bothers me to hear females curse, it probably shouldn't but it does. And these young girls today talk worse than us boys did in our wildest dreams back then.

Maybe I'm just getting old.

I think women actually cuss worse than men, just not around them. A group of women can get very very vulger.
In college football - it's fine, in pee-wee & middle school, not ok.
But many people use it only for emphasis, and very rarely - in those cases, it is becoming more of an adjective. (the milder words) It still shocks me to hear the F-word coming out of a co-workers mouth, but it's common. But honestly you hear it more from women (that could be because I'm around women more)
However there are a few words that are strictly off limits, in any occasion - even football.

 

[deliveryman35]

Is water wet?:wink:

 

[BEATtutorsee]

I've always thought it funny that people cringe at a series of air pressure waves that produce a particular pattern of "sound" when impacting the eardrum, but see nothing crazy about teaching our kids how best to crash their bodies together at high speed. :biggrin:

It's a game that goes outside the bounds of normal civility. It's quite understandable that the language will also.

:rofl:

 

[FutureAlumnusDT]

Never mind...

 

[Probius]

I'm sure most people will say that this is college football and that is just the way it is. But it is not neccesary. As our society continues to slide further down I keep hearing, "well that is just the way it is." Well there is no reason each of us can't strive to be better. I wrestled in high school and our coach would not tolerate bad language under any circumstances. If one bad word was uttered, even in the heat of battle during practice, the entire practice would be stopped and somebody would get an earful. That distilled in me a respect for the english language and how important it is to not resort to foul language. It just isn't neccesary, we can all do better.

 

[Mav^]

I used to have a very foul mouth and now I rarely (and I mean maybe 1-2 swears a month) use it. I think having a very foul mouth is just a result of having a lack of personal discipline. You parents teach you not to cuss, but if you never really analyze yourself and learn to show emotions in ways other than swearing, then you don't really know how to communicate.

I think Saban does a very good job with this. I know in the halftime locker room he uses some crisp language, but it's not every other word like some coaches use. He knows how to balance love for his players and program with agression and intensity. Compare that to Mark Mangino, who never grasped the "love" part of coaching. For him it was agression and anger all the time, and that just won't work, ever.

My peewee coaches never used profanity. My middle school head coach never used it, either, and I respected him A LOT, because when he would get aggressive with a player, he expressed his emotions to that person in many ways other than profanity. My high school head coach used the s-word a few times, but it wasn't that bad. Our defensive backs coach, on the other hand, was a complete clown. He cussed so much that it didn't make any type of intimidating or forceful impact on us, we just thought he was ridiculous. My favorite line from him was:

"I want you to hit that guy so hard that you knock his _ _ _ _ in the dirt and make his momma s _ _ _ it."

We were trying not to LOL right in his face. He was absurd.