ROFL. Just AP writers with sour grapes. They punish us for losing to Texas but then pretend like our win over UGA didn’t happen because UGA beat FSU’s 3rd string team by 60pts. AP is a joke these days.
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I can’t believe they dropped us to #5 in the Polls and behind UGA when we beat them Head to Head and took the eventual NC to OT.
Didn’t TCU lose last year in the Big12 CG and Move up a spot and then not drop at all after losing by a Gazillon points to UGA?
Make it make sense!!
Didn’t TCU lose last year in the Big12 CG and Move up a spot and then not drop at all after losing by a Gazillon points to UGA?
Make it make sense!!
Does it really matter if we finished 3rd, 4th, or 5th? If you can't claim #1, then you have a "top 5" finish.
It's kind of funny to watch fans who - just 6-8 weeks ago - insisted a head to head loss to Texas wasn't everything NOW insist a head to head win by fewer points IS.
It's because we have one loss and UGA has two - and won their game against "an unbeaten P5 champion" by 60 points. I'm not saying it's RIGHT, I'm just telling you why it happened. The AP has notoriously done this their entire existence.
Yes.
No, they were #3 before the game (in the AP poll, too) and #3 after the game.
The supposed "logic" of why they didn't drop was, "Well, TCU beat Michigan, so they have to be ranked above them."
Which - you're correct - should apply here but apparently doesn't.
Especially since the margin was the same 3 points.
Alabama 100% SHOULD be ranked ahead of UGA and no worse than fourth, but oh well.
I mean, what difference does it make where Bama ends up in the final poll? Who really cares, and why? If you're not #1, it doesn't matter - at all.
Second place is the first loser.
Or the line from the lame movie "Stroker Ace:"
Mechanic: "Hey guys, what's go bad about 2nd?"
Burt Reynolds and Jim Nabors at same time: "Screw 2nd."
I think the final rankings are still interesting even though it may not matter in the big picture because it shows the biases that are out there and how much Bama hate there is. For example Washington loses by 21 points to Michigan but remains #2 while Bama takes Michigan to OT before losing and drops out of the Top 4. Or Georgia moving ahead of Bama supposedly because Bama ended up with 2 losses compared to only 1 loss for Georgia. If number of losses mattered to the AP then they should explain why they put 2 loss Texas ahead of 1 loss Georgia? Also comparing the Georgia-ACC Champ 3rd string game to the Bama-Michigan game is not exactly apples to apples.
It sometimes seems that the previous year’s final poll rankings affect the next year’s opening polls. That is why I care. Can’t speak for anyone else.
i’m actually looking forward to jawjuh fans bringing that up so that we can further discuss the most recent seccg
I can't wait to see them flail down the stretch when they actually have a decent schedule to manage next year.
and we play the puppies in september so that ranking will sort itself one way or another
i think they lose a decent amount of talent this year.
this is when we will begin to see if kirby can maintain the success that he built like dabo did.
"God, grant me the serenity....."
Washington - one loss in championship game
Alabama - two losses, failed to make championship game
Not hard to figure this one out and nothing to do with any so-called "bias."
What do you think of:
a) #8 Missouri (11-2) over #9 Ole Miss although Ole Miss beat LSU who beat Missouri?
Was that some sort of "Ole Miss bias" in the poll?
b) #11 Arizona (10-3) over #12 LSU (10-3)
LSU lost to 3 teams in the top 9.
Arizona lost to #2 Washington and to a Mississippi State team that LSU blew out by 27 points on the road. The Wildcats' other loss was to a second unranked team, USC.
Is there some sort of "LSU bias" in the poll, too?
c) #15 Oklahoma (10-3) over Oklahoma St (10-4)
The Pokes won by 3 at home, so I'm guessing "you lost an additional game" is the argument here - which (wait for it) is the same argument justifying UW over Alabama.
d) should #17 Tennessee (9-4) be higher?
Yeah, they had 3 losses - against TOP EIGHT teams (Bama, UGA, Mizzou) - and a bizarre loss to Florida. But they also beat Iowa by more points than Michigan did in the bowl game, too.
e) #19 Louisville (9-4) over #20 Clemson (9-4)
but Clemson lost in overtime to the ACC champ and Louisville got blown out when their QB wasn't even in the game, so how does this make sense? It can be defended on the notion that 3 of Clemson's losses were teams that Louisville beat, I guess, but who do you REALLY think would win between the two?
f) #20 Clemson (9-4) over #21 NC State (9-4)
NC State beat Clemson by a touchdown in the game they played, but NC State lost their bowl and Clemson won theirs, miraculously transforming their win over Clemson into a loss.
g) should #23 Kansas (9-4) be ranked ahead of #15 Oklahoma (10-3)?
I mean, didn't KU win on the field with a 3rd string QB? (I don't know, but I recall folks saying this as justification for why OU was below Texas - worse loss). But KU and OK State - WHO BOTH BEAT Oklahoma - are ranked BELOW them.....because they lost more games......
Doesn't the above pattern simply show LAZINESS rather than "anti-Bama bias" that folks keep looking for everywhere?
1) Who won their last game?
2) How many losses did they have?
3) How much do we lift them or drop them?
If it wasn't a prominent game, the voters don't even remember it - and don't do their homework. The CFP has a lot of flaws but this isn't one of them.
The AP is inconsistent across the years - that part is true. TCU wound up #2 last year after getting smashed by UGA. I have no problem with folks pointing out inconsistencies of the vote, but they're not singling out Alabama in their incompetence.
But this isn't the early 2024 poll, this is the final 2023 poll. There will be some carry over but...
You DO realize Washington also beat Texas, right?
Who beat Alabama.
The ranking of Washington over Alabama is substantially justified by the on field results.
Dropping UA below UGA? Not so much.
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