Empty stadium at Baton Rouge/ Four years later and LSU is back to being LSU (Merged)

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LSU is still a very talented football team, but very young as well. Miles is a good (not great) coach, and they will improve next year. Maybe not to title contention, but they will be better in 09. The biggest issue this year is that they have not improved as the season progressed. That's typical of young teams in rebuilding years.
 

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To me it just highlights the importance of a good, experienced QB. We may experience some of the same bumps in the road next year with a first-year starter at QB. I really hope Coach Mac sticks around to help the development of McElroy and/or Star...
 

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From all the smack you were getting from the LSU fans up there, I'd be getting a little payback now.

Can't find'em anymore. Two of the one's giving me the most junk live in my neighborhood and ever since their loss to Georgia I haven't seen EITHER ONE of them outside since. These "diehard fans" have also taken their LSU flags down from their houses as well. The guys at work.....well they can't avoid me. So all I hear from them is "If we'd had a qb we'd of done...." . So I just simply say "We could say the same thing the past five years. You got beat plain and simple." Then I exit the conversation with a big ROLL TIDE!!!
 

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. Miles is a good (not great) coach,
I think clm is the achillies heel of lsu. There is little doubt that he is an above average coach, but when he doesn't have the physical runningback and the qb that doesn't throw the game away he will always lose to the teams that have better coaches that do (saban, Nutt, meyer). last year for lsu was just like the barn's 04 team any coach in the country with a little sense could bring those teams to the NC game. but last year everyone saw week after week lsu nearly giving the game away due to bad game calling (UF,AUB,and :BigA:) and they actually gave the game away agianst kentucky by running the same play 4 times without, imo the best person on their team, hester and not takin AR-KANSAS seriously.
 

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LSU did not have a QB who was expected to be a starter this year. The loss of Perriloux was paramount in the destruction of LSU's offense. Miles will also have to address his defensive problem and his co-coordinators. We thought Miles luck would run out soon and soon is here now. Three blow outs in a season never looks good on a resume' and Miles win over Bob Stoops in Norman is looking like just what it was, luck.
 
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LSU did not have a QB who was expected to be a starter this year. The loss of Perriloux was paramount in the destruction of LSU's offense. Miles will also have to address his defensive problem and his co-coordinators. We thought Miles luck would run out soon and soon is here now. Three blow outs in a season never looks good on a resume' and Miles win over Bob Stoops in Norman is looking like just what it was, luck.

Absolutely, he needs to find a good DC ASAP. His QBs will improve and mature, but the defense needs help in a big way.
 

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yeah the qb is a big problem, but great coaching and play calling can limit that problem. the florida game to me was an un avoidable lose, but uga i know LSU's defense can't beat anyone with speed but their offense with the exception of lee is loaded. you got the fastest man in college football holliday you have a pretty decent o line and you have byrd anf lafell and you are playing a very exposed defense that can't stop the run and you still want to go the air 100 times??? I think uga was les's fault for trying to let lee be the hero instead of trying to win the game. when they played us... our defense wasn't going to allow an upset. ole miss just buried a cocky lsu team. I guess my point is that coaches like richt and nutt can win on consistant basis with less talented teams than les.
 
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LSU is just hard to say right now. The quarterback situation has clearly hurt them, but anyone who thinks that is all of their problems simply hasn't been paying attention. It's the biggest problem of many problems.

And I do think they may improve slightly next year, but all of these LSU fans who think this year is just a reloading year are wrong. This isn't "reloading," this is a team that seemingly looks a bit worse each year, and now they've reached the point to where they generally play with all of the intensity of the Grand Old Opry.

Moreover, while it is a somewhat young team, they do have a ton of experience too, and they will lose a lot of key players after this year. You can just name them off the top of your head... Demetrius Byrd, Brett Helms, Herman Johnson, Tyson Jackson, Darry Beckwith, Ricky Jean Francois, Kirsten Pittman, Charles Alexander, Colt David, etc. Bottom line, this isn't a team that returns everyone, they're going to have to replace a ton of key contributors from this 8-4 team, and if they have as much trouble replacing these outgoing seniors as they did the ones from a year ago, that's not going to be pretty. Moreover, they have several guys who can pro early, and while they've held onto those guys the past few years, they may not be so lucky this time around now they're actually struggling a bit.

And, finally, the schedule isn't going to get any easier. I know LSU fans love to rave about this whole even year-road game bit, but next year's schedule will be just as tough as this one, if not tougher. Florida will come to Tiger Stadium, but will still be ungodly good, and the roadtrips to both Alabama and Georgia will be damn tough as well, considering both of those teams should be as good as they are this year, and with Georgia probably a bit better. Moreover, Ole Miss returns a ton of players, and that game in Oxford next year will be even tougher than the one they played last night. Bottom line, Florida should still come to Baton Rouge and win (assuming Tebow returns, which most think he will), and the three home losses this year (Georgia, Alabama, Ole Miss) will all be on the road in 2009 and all three of those teams will likely be as good, if not better, in 2009, and I think we can safely say that both Georgia and Ole Miss will clearly be better next year.

I'm sure they will have their typical cupcake OOC schedule and a few easy conference wins like MSU, Auburn, and Vandy to keep them at worst 7-5 or so, but it's not going to be easy next year. Even Arkansas, if they take off like most expect they will with Mallett, will not be an easy victory by any stretch.

Bottom line, I figure LSU will improve slightly next year, but honestly anything better than 9-3 will probably be a bit of a stretch. At the very least, all of these LSU fans who think this is a reloading year and they'll be back in national title contention next year... well, they're probably on about the same level as all of those guys on TideFans before the beginning of the year saying they would still win 10-11 games this year and likely still end up in Atlanta...
 
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4th and 28 with 9 minutes remaining.
I'm no Les Miles apologist, but I'll give him credit there, that was a smart call.

Yes it was an extreme longshot to pick up the first down, but their defense struggled to stop Ole Miss all night, and punting it away there would have been certain defeat. I'm not saying the odds of making it weren't extremely low, but when you are trailing by 15 with 9 minutes left and being forced to punt, the odds are extremely low of anything but getting beat.

It certainly wasn't something you'd ever ordinarily do, but I thought it was a solid call. He was just making the best of a bad situation, and he did what was needed.
 

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I'm no Les Miles apologist, but I'll give him credit there, that was a smart call.

Yes it was an extreme longshot to pick up the first down, but their defense struggled to stop Ole Miss all night, and punting it away there would have been certain defeat. I'm not saying the odds of making it weren't extremely low, but when you are trailing by 15 with 9 minutes left and being forced to punt, the odds are extremely low of anything but getting beat.

It certainly wasn't something you'd ever ordinarily do, but I thought it was a solid call. He was just making the best of a bad situation, and he did what was needed.
On the other hand, if you don't convert, you give Ole Miss the ball within 15 yards of FG range when a FG puts them up by 3 scores. IMO, they put the entire game on one play, and that is a mistake with 9 minutes left...
 

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Nutt owns the Mad Hatter.
LSU couldn't stop the Wild Hog last year, and couldn't stop the Wild Rebel this year.
Someone please remind me again how LSU got into the title game last year??
 

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On the other hand, if you don't convert, you give Ole Miss the ball within 15 yards of FG range when a FG puts them up by 3 scores. IMO, they put the entire game on one play, and that is a mistake with 9 minutes left...
Didn't that play end with a QB sack for loss of yards? The play did have me scratching my head.
 

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The biggest thing missing at Corndog U right now is leadership. The likes of Dorsey, Steltz, and Hester have not been replaced in that department. They are not playing as a team and with the number of seniors they have, leadership is sorely lacking.
Of course, I hope they never get it together!
 

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And I do think they may improve slightly next year, but all of these LSU fans who think this year is just a reloading year are wrong. This isn't "reloading," this is a team that seemingly looks a bit worse each year, and now they've reached the point to where they generally play with all of the intensity of the Grand Old Opry.
It looks like Miles' weakest area is in player development. There's little else than can explain a team that consistently pulls in 4 or 5 stars, yet has showed such a stark decline after attrition from the previous coaching staff. Their talent has remained the same or perhaps even rose, but the Miles-developed players are clearly not the same as the Saban-developed ones. I used to think that the West would perennially come down to a battle between Bama and LSU; I no longer believe that will be the case.

I'm no Les Miles apologist, but I'll give him credit there, that was a smart call.

Yes it was an extreme longshot to pick up the first down, but their defense struggled to stop Ole Miss all night, and punting it away there would have been certain defeat. I'm not saying the odds of making it weren't extremely low, but when you are trailing by 15 with 9 minutes left and being forced to punt, the odds are extremely low of anything but getting beat.

It certainly wasn't something you'd ever ordinarily do, but I thought it was a solid call. He was just making the best of a bad situation, and he did what was needed.
If we weren't talking about a true freshman making his first start in conference, I might agree. But when you have to trust one side of the ball to make a huge play and pull the game from defeat, and seeing how LSU looked inept on both sides of the ball, I'd have to trust the more mature players to pull it out. Going for it there was Miles proclaiming no confidence in the upperclassmen on his defense. And, IMO, praying that a high schooler can make a 30 yard play to save the game against a pumped SEC defense is betting on the wrong card.
 

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Nutt owns the Mad Hatter.
LSU couldn't stop the Wild Hog last year, and couldn't stop the Wild Rebel this year.
Ah, that's not really a fair statement. LSU shut down the Ole Miss running game yesterday, that wasn't the problem. The problem was that Snead lit them up through the air, the Wild Rebel really didn't have any success.

They barely averaged two yards per carry against LSU, so it wasn't the rushing attack that got them beat. It was the fact that Ole Miss was averaging 12 yards every time they dropped back to pass...

Someone please remind me again how LSU got into the title game last year??
As I and many other said last year but no LSU fan wanted to admit... an ungodly amount of pure luck and media adoration. It was luck, plain and simple, and not much else. As I've said a million times in the past year, and that has been proven true this season, 6-2 in conference play isn't even good enough to make it to Atlanta in most years, much less win a national title.
 
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after the pounding they took from bama the lsu buss has run off a cliff. the luster is off lester for sure. give it another season and lester will be at meechigan ,where he was headed till lsu threw good money after bad.
It's almost like they expended all their remaining energy on trying to beat us and ranting about Saban...and have nothing left in the tank.. Poor tiggers..
 

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It's almost like they expended all their remaining energy on trying to beat us and ranting about Saban...and have nothing left in the tank.. Poor tiggers..
It's not even a post-Alabama thing...

They haven't played with any emotion or intensity all year long, sans the Alabama game. The Alabama game was the only time all season that they really seemed raring to play, with all of the other games it was like they were going through the motions, yesterday included.
 
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