Florida President sets a plan for BCS NC

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BamaBoyTim

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this is just MHO but i think it should be 6 teams...giving 1 and 2 off 3plays 6 4 plays 5 and the winners face 1&2 then you have the National championship...again this is just me
 

jeremy

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They should just do the conference champion of each conference in some sort of tournament. I'm a firm believer that you dont deserve to play for a national title if you cant win a conference title. They could seed the conference champions according to win/loss record and strength of schedule. Oh yeah, and no slots for independents...make ND join a conference.
 

Jack Bourbon

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The Rose Bowl should be unchanged, with the best remaining conferences playing their best 8 teams in a playoff. They should award the championship to the winner of the Rose Bowl (unless Notre Dame wins the playoff).
 

Bamaro

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7 teams

!st round:
#1 gets a bye
2 plays 7
3 plays 6
4 & 5 play

2nd round:
7 plays winner of 4 & 5
other two winners play

3rd round:
those winners play for NC

This way, higher ranked teams have a slight advantage by playing the lowest of the group. Would only take 3 weeks to complete. Could use existing bowl games to stage the playoff.
 

red55

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Rarely are there more than four teams still in serious contention for the NC in December. I'm for a 2-week, four team playoff. If you came in fifth, you just should have done better. This would have minimal impact on the bowl games.
 

bama_at_uab

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After much wishing and washing back and forth on this issue I think I've finally come to the conclusion that a playoff would be a good thing for division 1 college football. So here I'll give my reasons and address some of the criticism levied against such an idea. First I'll begin with the criticisms.

1. It would ruin the regular season making games meaningless.


response: I don't know about you but even in the years where Alabama's not playing for any sort of championship, I still hate losing to Tennessee, LSU, and Auburn just as much. Personally, I don't think these rivalries will diminish any at all. In fact, they may actually mean more. Say for example Alabama and Tennessee are both in the top 10, while not necessarily in national championship contention under the current system both of those teams are fighting for one of the few playoff spots.

Any sort of college playoff is likely to be small and the chances of even a 2 loss team getting in would be very slim. Is there anyone that thinks Florida shouldn't have had the shot last year after losing a game?

The argument about making games meaningless is just so absolutist. It assumes that college football is about nothing but winning national championships and if you're not either no 1 or no 2 then all of your games are therefore meaningless. I mean, why go see a 6-5 Alabama team vs a 9-2 Auburn team. It's obvious that neither of those teams are competitive for a national or SEC championship.

2. It would ruin the bowl system.

Why? The bowl system is almost to the point of being meaningless already. Every day it seems they add a new bowl. Tell me who wants to go to the Meineke Car Care bowl?

Who says that you can't have a playoff system and the bowl system. It's obvious that they just keep adding more games to make more money. Who says that non-playoff teams can't go to a bowl. Would they just order the Meineke Car Care bowl to stop playing? No, of course not, the smaller bowls would go right on playing. Which is a good thing, it gives schools that are not in contention for a national championship something to play for and good games for the rest of us to watch. Again I guess you could argue it would be meaningless, but then again the Independence bowl last year wasn't for any sort of championship but it still had some meaning to us when we watched it.

Further, why not incorporate the large BCS bowls into the playoff format. I know that a million proposals for this have been argued about over and over again so I'm not going to go into that but it seems that the real sticking point is with the Rose Bowl which seems to think it's more important than everyone else.

3. What's great about college football is the arguments and the hype about who's better than who, and which conference is the best. Having a playoff would kill that. (ie college football is something special, adding a playoff would make it too much like the NFL)


Every time I turn on ESPN and they're discussing a college football playoff someone brings this up. They all say what they love about college football is that there is no true champion and it creates all the great rivalries we have. Well, of course ESPN and the rest of the media likes it this way. They get to chose the champion.

Personally, I think that any amount of power that can be taken away from ESPN and their Big10(or11) contracts and put back on the field is a good thing. Now you can argue that the BCS computer poll isn't based on the AP anymore but it would be naive to think that the Harris poll and coaches poll isn't based at least in part on what the media reports and ESPN thinks. Last year ESPN had all but anointed Ohio State the national champion. Playing Florida was a mere formality and in fact many felt like Michigan should have had a shot (wouldn't the Big10(or11) have loved that).

Now, why a playoff is a good thing:

1. Championships decided on the field and not in a New York or Chicago press room. Nothing more to say here.

2. Even the little guy has a shot, but he'd better actually be able to play. You could argue that the little guy has a shot now just look at Rutgers and West Virgina. Well, that's true, but do they really have a shot? Most people didn't consider Rutgers a national championship contender and so the media didn't give them much of a shot. In a playoff format they do have the chance but they'd better be able to play against the best of the SEC, ACC, Big10, Pac10, etc. It would force some of the weaker conference contenders to play against real competition.

3. Alabama can be a little guy. Now I know what you're thinking, 12 national championships etc etc and I agree with you. To me Alabama is and always has been the pinnacle of college football but not necessarily so to the media who gets to decide who plays and who doesn't. Right now many in the media consider Alabama a non-contender in the SEC and nation. Even we went undefeated and won the SEC, if there are two other undefeated teams I can guarantee you we won't be playing for any national championship. We all laughed at Auburn when it happened to them but remember that the same thing could very easily happen to us.

4. Roll Tide and sorry for the long rant.
 
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bama_at_uab

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Sorry, just one more common argument that I've heard:

The regular season is like a playoff in college football. Lose one and you're out. That's what's so great about this game, the entire regular season is a playoff.

Ok, no it's not a playoff. In a playoff everyone starts out on the same ground and everyone has a equal chance of making it to the championship if they win all of their games. Right now who ever votes in the polls gets to decide that. In addition in a playoff all the teams will have to compete against each other in games of increasing difficulty, there is no team that can skate buy with a super easy schedule and make it to the championship. In addition to that, the idea that if you lose a game you should be out is just crazy. If that were the case then the SEC would almost never win any championships as we constantly beat each other up (although this might be to ESPN's liking). Look at Florida last year, they were clearly the best team in the country but if you listen to those that tell you that the regular season is like a playoff then they would have no business playing for a championship.
 
They should just do the conference champion of each conference in some sort of tournament. I'm a firm believer that you dont deserve to play for a national title if you cant win a conference title. They could seed the conference champions according to win/loss record and strength of schedule. Oh yeah, and no slots for independents...make ND join a conference.
Agree with ya on this one
 

sabanball

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They should just do the conference champion of each conference in some sort of tournament. I'm a firm believer that you dont deserve to play for a national title if you cant win a conference title. They could seed the conference champions according to win/loss record and strength of schedule. Oh yeah, and no slots for independents...make ND join a conference.
I agree with this one also.
 

Bama Bo

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I like the plus 1 idea. Basically a 4 team playoff. I wouldn't mind seeing 6, but no more than that. I'd hate to see it get watered down like the NCAA basketball tourney. I mean shoot, out of the 64 teams you basically have at least 48 that has no chance of winning it.
 

bama_at_uab

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There are literally hundreds of ways to work out a playoff that incorporates the bowls. The problem is getting all the bowls to agree on it. Right now the stick seems to be the Rose.

Here's an example that I just drew up for kicks:

clicky to see the big version.
 

bama_at_uab

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bama at uab has a really big point but I still pefer the bowls.
Personally, I welcome all criticism :) and I'm perfectly happy that there are people that disagree with me and the conclusions that I've come to.

Care to share any more of your opinion, and specifically what about the idea of a playoff threatens your idea of the current bowl system?

I think one of the things people worry about is the NCAA getting their hands into the management of any sort of playoff (in particular I think the universities and conferences worry about this because they don't want to give up any revenue). However, I don't believe it's necessary for the NCAA to organize and run any such playoff system, as Florida's president suggests.

In addition, I don't think that adding a playoff would threaten the standing of the other bowls any more than declaring some of them BCS threatened the others. I mean, the peach bowl would still be played, we'd still have the cotton and we'd still have the independence, and music city etc. etc. Honestly I really don't see it that much different than what we have now other than the addition of 2 games for 4 teams.

Last year all the teams did was complain about how long the layover was from the end of the season until they played their game. You can't tell me that they can't work out two games in that time frame. Additionally, I think you'd play the first two rounds shortly after the end of the regular season and then take a break before the bowls begin. In this way all the bowls are played at the same time like always.

Of course there would have to be some tweaking to the model I drew above, because it doesn't make provisions for conference champions and Notre Dame would probably get their usual sweet heart deal and would also have to be included. So, I guess scrap the bottom two teams and add Oklahoma and Notre Dame. I dunno, it would all have to be argued out and there are tons and tons of ways to organize something like this.
 

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They should just do the conference champion of each conference in some sort of tournament. I'm a firm believer that you dont deserve to play for a national title if you cant win a conference title. They could seed the conference champions according to win/loss record and strength of schedule. Oh yeah, and no slots for independents...make ND join a conference.
I have preached this approach for a long time. At last count there were 117 Division 1 teams, but we all know there are only really 6 "big conferences";) the SEC, ACC, Big 11, Big East, Big 12, and PAC 10. These conference champions should be formatted in some sort of playoff within the framework of the bowls. If all of these conferences had 12 teams then that represents the top 72 teams spread over the 6 major conferences. Yes, ND would be forced to join either the Big East or more appropriately the Big 11 giving it 12 teams, split into 2 divisions with a championship game. The PAC 10 has to add 2 teams and the Big East has to add 4, I think. To make it somewhat fair, I suppose you have to add 2 at large teams (to make it an 8 team playoff, no byes) who may have been ranked in the top 10 but possibly lost their conference championship game, much like Arkansas last year. Or you could add the Mountain West and Conference USA champ to give you 8 teams representing 96 of the 117 teams. Of course there will always be the argument that the SEC runnerup at say 9-3 or 10-2 gets screwed over a 9-3 or 10-2 Mountain West or Conference USA champ. While I would tend to agree with this argument it shows the importance of winning the conference championship game. There would no longer be any Independents, ND, Army, Navy and Temple, the only 4 Independents remaining, join a conference or risk getting shut out of bowl participation.
 

TommyMac

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It's June and we're discussing Div-1A CFB, just as we did in May, and April, and March, and February and we'll be discussing it in July and August as well. When was the last time any of y'all remember a thread about Div-1AA, Div-ll, Div-lll, yada, yada, yada? They all have play-offs, why little or no interest?

Change is not always good.
 

Heavy D

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It should be 16 teams and it goes like this:
all 11 conference champs go automatically, if not, what is the point of having conferences or champions?
Then you have 5 at large to be chosen by a selection committee.

This accomplishes several things.
1) mid majors have their shot
2) 2nd and possibly even 3rd place conference teams get a shot
3) the conference championship means something
4) almighty Notre Dame can get in, but they have to earn it

It would have been
Conference Champs:
Florida
Oklahoma
Ohio State
Boise State
Houston
Central Michigan
BYU
Wake Forest
Louisville
USC
Troy

At large:
Michigan
LSU
Wisconsin
Auburn
Notre Dame

Now that sounds good to me!!!
 

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