News Article: Former Global Warming Skeptic Makes a 'Total Turnaround'

Bama4Ever831

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I guess you were referring to this from the tree ring study:
Don't you get it Bamaro? If some scientific article disagrees with your personal view you have a few choices:

1 - Ridicule the article so people forget about the message
2 - Misinterpret the article under the assumption no one else will actually read it and "catch" you.
3 - Claim that professors are just following the grant money and are willing to trade their pride for money. (And you really have to make it sound like EVERY single one will do this).
4 - Google climate change and link the first article that agrees with you and you find on The Daily Mail (A tabloid), CNN (not looking much better) or FoxNews (pretty much a tabloid). Other reputable news sources are not allowed.


By following these rules, you can ensure no one will ever disagree with you (except those leftist commies in Obama's pocket like me and you....)
 
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Finding a scientist who agrees with your pet theory is as difficult as finding a prostitute who will tell you she loves you.

Follow the dollar, people. Corporate research money and/or Government grant money determines the scientific theories of the day.
 

Bamaro

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Finding a scientist who agrees with your pet theory is as difficult as finding a prostitute who will tell you she loves you.

Follow the dollar, people. Corporate research money and/or Government grant money determines the scientific theories of the day.
So science is controlled by whores:rolleyes:
 

Bama4Ever831

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Finding a scientist who agrees with your pet theory is as difficult as finding a prostitute who will tell you she loves you.

Follow the dollar, people. Corporate research money and/or Government grant money determines the scientific theories of the day.
You haven't met many scientists I take it. I have met some that will disagree on the hue of the sky color just for conversation.
 

TideEngineer08

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And what are we going to do about it?

It's like the idiocy of this tax deal. The Democrats want the tax cuts to expire for those making above 250,000 a year. Like that's going to make a drop in the bucket's worth of difference when they are spending trillions.

So tell me then, what is the answer? Because nothing anybody has suggested will make any difference whatsoever, except to destroy what's left of our economy.
 

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Don't you get it Bamaro? If some scientific article disagrees with your personal view you have a few choices:

1 - Ridicule the article so people forget about the message
2 - Misinterpret the article under the assumption no one else will actually read it and "catch" you.
3 - Claim that professors are just following the grant money and are willing to trade their pride for money. (And you really have to make it sound like EVERY single one will do this).
4 - Google climate change and link the first article that agrees with you and you find on The Daily Mail (A tabloid), CNN (not looking much better) or FoxNews (pretty much a tabloid). Other reputable news sources are not allowed.


By following these rules, you can ensure no one will ever disagree with you (except those leftist commies in Obama's pocket like me and you....)
What is funny is that you don't see that people on the left do the exact same thing with stuff they disagree with. But it's okay when they do it because clearly they are always right.

As for #3 your reading comprehension of the words "can" and "may" doesn't seem to be up to snuff. You could Google them and find the first definition that agrees with you though.
 

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More of this nonsense?

Is the climate warming? Let's say I agree. Temperature fluctuates. So what?
Is it caused by humans? To some extent, sure. So what?

Is there a government solution? Please. Look at the scams we've had in the name of turning back climate change. Corn ethanol. Solyndra. Carbon credits. None of this works unless you mean lining the pockets of the well-connected and diverting resources from real solutions.

Instead of companies like GE configuring their R&D to get tax breaks by participating in the scam, wouldn't it be better if those resources were put into something that works in the marketplace? Like everything else the government has it's hands in, the result is the exact opposite of the intended goal.
 

MattinBama

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Oh noes! It must be my tinfoil hat leading me to believe that grant money can influence people to change their mind about certain things!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/s...-prompts-calls-for-reform.html?pagewanted=all


In such an environment, a high-profile paper can mean the difference between a career in science or leaving the field. “It’s becoming the price of admission,” Dr. Fang said.

The scramble isn’t over once young scientists get a job. “Everyone feels nervous even when they’re successful,” he continued. “They ask, ‘Will this be the beginning of the decline?’ ”

University laboratories count on a steady stream of grants from the government and other sources. The National Institutes of Health accepts a much lower percentage of grant applications today than in earlier decades. At the same time, many universities expect scientists to draw an increasing part of their salaries from grants, and these pressures have influenced how scientists are promoted.

“What people do is they count papers, and they look at the prestige of the journal in which the research is published, and they see how many grant dollars scientists have, and if they don’t have funding, they don’t get promoted,” Dr. Fang said. “It’s not about the quality of the research.”

Dr. Ness likens scientists today to small-business owners, rather than people trying to satisfy their curiosity about how the world works. “You’re marketing and selling to other scientists,” she said. “To the degree you can market and sell your products better, you’re creating the revenue stream to fund your enterprise.”
 

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"Climate Change" and "Global Warming" have become synonymous with each other, but honestly mean two different things.

Global warming implies that the Earth is getting warmer. Mankind's actual impact, as opposed to other factors, should be what is measured.

Climate change implies any kind of change in the climate, regardless of "warming", "cooling", or etc. The etc, honestly, should be the part that gets studied.

The hard part is that any measure of temperature going back more than 100 years is tricky at best, and impossible most of the time. Measuring tree rings in the Pacific Northwest, for example, might imply that the weather was warmer in that area in the past, but does nothing to indicate what was happening around the world.

Regardless of who is at fault, humans should try and recognize IF the planet is changing, and IF it is something we can cope with left alone OR if it requires our intervention. The crux of it should not boil down to politics, but it does, because everyone focuses on things that have a direct impact on industry, etc.

That said, we have actually come a LONG way in making devices cleaner. Power generation from coal plants is incredibly clean compared to a few decades ago. Cars run on unleaded gas, use advanced electronics to get the most out of the gas in the tank, and factories no longer belch insane amounts of pollution into the air. I think most people still agree pollution = bad, and I don't need a thermostat to tell me that when coughing and not being able to see the sun on a hazy day in LA is sufficient.

Future technologies should be developed for a LOT of reasons, and if we can lessen mankind's direct impact on the environment while doing so, GREAT! It should be accepted, however, that some things are unavoidable AND people need to get away of thinking in the terms of our fathers and grandfathers (i.e. comparing drilling and its effects today as opposed to drilling on land 50 years ago). True, some things aren't great - coal mining is still pretty rough on miners - but coal as a fuel source has gone from pollution numero uno to being fairly clean.

That said, I know a lot of people want to think of these companies as pure evil (oil, coal, etc) but that's not true - they are neither "evil" nor "good" - they're companies. They look at the bottom dollar, but they look at what that will be in the future. Oil companies and energy companies are constantly looking at making better versions of alternative power. Why? Because one day oil, coal, etc will run out - and the company that has figured out how to use 10% of the inbound solar power to our planet (when we would only need, currently, 1/20000 of the solar energy to run mankind's needs) will be wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice. Heck, they don't even need for us to run out of everything else to do that.

So, we are, technically, already on reducing mankind's impact on the world (you could argue that Europe and the US have less of an impact now than we did in the 50s with leaded cars and few requirements for cleaner power generation) - now we just have to study and observe and decide IF change is still coming, SHOULD we try and stop it or not.
 

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What is funny is that you don't see that people on the left do the exact same thing with stuff they disagree with. But it's okay when they do it because clearly they are always right.

As for #3 your reading comprehension of the words "can" and "may" doesn't seem to be up to snuff. You could Google them and find the first definition that agrees with you though.
Seriously? Checking my grammar....

And people on the left do the same, I agree, but not me. :)
 

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" These facts don't prove causality and they shouldn't end skepticism..."

per the author of the linked article


Sounds very similar to the cigarette debate of the 60s. We all know how that turned out.
Hey, if you want to criticize the author of very article that you linked, feel free :):)
 

MattinBama

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Seriously? Checking my grammar....

And people on the left do the same, I agree, but not me. :)
That wasn't checking your grammar. Was pointing out you ignoring words in my original posts to make it sound like I was saying the author definitely took the money over pride instead of maybe did.
 

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