Politics: General Removal of Statues Thread

[B1GTide]

This sort of goes here

U.S. first lady Melania Trump statue set on fire in Slovenia

A wooden sculpture of U.S. first lady Melania Trump was torched near her hometown of Sevnica, Slovenia, on the night of July Fourth, as Americans celebrated U.S. Independence Day, said the artist who commissioned the sculpture.

www.reuters.com

The artists says that he does not know why they burned it. Two possibilities:

Trump is human garbage.
The statue was UGLY.

 

[Jon]

The artists says that he does not know why they burned it. Two possibilities:

Trump is human garbage.
The statue was UGLY.

third possibility

it was a statue of a softcore porn model of no particular fame who has only accomplished marrying a pile of human garbage. Why was there even a statue?

 

[92tide]

i guess this can go here.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1281387758351781890

 

[81usaf92]

1-2-3 Confederates have to go

Montgomery is set to pay $75000 to rename Lee, Jeff Davis, and Lanier Highschools.

 

[seebell]

Scathing 1928 Takedown Shows Why Robert E. Lee Deserves Zero Statues

An essay by W.E.B. Du Bois resurfaced amid new calls to remove Confederate monuments.

www.huffpost.com

 

[92tide]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1286422793962295296

 

[Crimson1967]

1-2-3 Confederates have to go

Montgomery is set to pay $75000 to rename Lee, Jeff Davis, and Lanier Highschools.

I don’t quite get Lanier being changed. He was in the Confederate Army, but was just a common soldier. The school was named for him because he was a writer. The school’s nickname is the Poets. I guess it just got caught up in Lee and Davis.

 

[92tide]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1286370389715759107

 

[seebell]

Aren't you glad we have people like Gohmert leading us?

Congressman Introduces Bill That Would Have Democrat Party Change Name Or ‘Be Barred From Participation In The House’ Due To Past Support Of Slavery, Confederacy | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Aren't you glad we have people like Gohmert leading us?

Congressman Introduces Bill That Would Have Democrat Party Change Name Or ‘Be Barred From Participation In The House’ Due To Past Support Of Slavery, Confederacy | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Five idiot quotes by Gohmert...

Louie

 

[Bamaro]

Five idiot quotes by Gohmert...

Louie

He's a special kind of stupid.

 

[Tidewater]

The most important piece of American history that I never learned in school was Alexander Stephens' Cornerstone Speech and the Lost Cause propaganda movement that successfully wiped it from the history books. The biggest mistake made in the reconstruction period was allowing southern states to write their own history.

"The new Constitution [of the Confederate States of America] has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right... The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error...

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

Speaking of cornerstones:
Jefferson Davis wrote that the “principle of State sovereignty and independence … was regarded by the fathers of the Union as the cornerstone of the structure.”[1] Elsewhere, Davis wrote that “the principle of the sovereignty of the people [was] the cornerstone of all our institutions.”[2] Further, “the Confederate States … drew their swords for the sovereignty of the people, and they fought for the maintenance of their State governments in all their reserved rights and powers.”[3] In a similar vein, Robert Toombs, soon to become the Confederate Secretary of State, gave a speech before the Georgia Legislature in November 1860, in which he said, “the cornerstone of this Government was the perfect equality of the free, sovereign, and independent States which made it.”[4]
So, “principle of State sovereignty and independence," "the sovereignty of the people," and "the sovereignty of the people, and ... the maintenance of their State governments in all their reserved rights and powers.” Seems like lots of cornerstones. Why is Stephens' more authoritative than Davis' or Toombs'?

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[1] Jefferson Davis, Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government, vol. 1, 127.
[2] Davis, vol. 2, 718.
[3] Davis, vol. 2, 762. Emphasis added.
[4] William W. Freehling and Craig Simpson, (eds.), Secession Debated, (New York: Oxford University Press, 1992), 33. Emphasis added.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Jefferson Davis and the confederate states believed in those cornerstones so much they decided to create a new nation based on slavery as a key institution. And save the lessons - none needed.

 

[CharminTide]

It took a few weeks for the Confederate apologist(s) to try and whitewash their embrace of human enslavement and white supremacy, but in the end I always knew they'd make an appearance.

 

[chanson78]

Speaking of cornerstones:
Jefferson Davis wrote that the “principle of State sovereignty and independence … was regarded by the fathers of the Union as the cornerstone of the structure.”[1] Elsewhere, Davis wrote that “the principle of the sovereignty of the people [was] the cornerstone of all our institutions.”[2] Further, “the Confederate States … drew their swords for the sovereignty of the people, and they fought for the maintenance of their State governments in all their reserved rights and powers.”[3] In a similar vein, Robert Toombs, soon to become the Confederate Secretary of State, gave a speech before the Georgia Legislature in November 1860, in which he said, “the cornerstone of this Government was the perfect equality of the free, sovereign, and independent States which made it.”[4]
So, “principle of State sovereignty and independence," "the sovereignty of the people," and "the sovereignty of the people, and ... the maintenance of their State governments in all their reserved rights and powers.” Seems like lots of cornerstones. Why is Stephens' more authoritative than Davis' or Toombs'?


[1] Jefferson Davis, Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government, vol. 1, 127.
[2] Davis, vol. 2, 718.
[3] Davis, vol. 2, 762. Emphasis added.
[4] William W. Freehling and Craig Simpson, (eds.), Secession Debated, (New York: Oxford University Press, 1992), 33. Emphasis added.

I’m not a history professor, so the best I could do for a source of quotes is find these from The Confederate Partisan. About Davis this site feels “On this page I will post quotes from our First President. Mr. Davis was a great man, and a patriot that served his country with a sense of honor and duty. May our next president be as much a man of duty, integrity, and honor.”

If slavery be a sin, it is not yours. It does not rest on your action for its origin, on your consent for its existence. It is a common law right to property in the service of man; its origin was Divine decree.

African slavery, as it exists in the United States, is a moral, a social, and a political blessing.

My own convictions as to negro slavery are strong. It has its evils and abuses...We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Laws, in nature, tell us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude...You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables them to be.

 

[Go Bama]

I’m not a history professor, so the best I could do for a source of quotes is find these from The Confederate Partisan. About Davis this site feels “On this page I will post quotes from our First President. Mr. Davis was a great man, and a patriot that served his country with a sense of honor and duty. May our next president be as much a man of duty, integrity, and honor.”

Thank you, that's all I need to hear.

 

[Go Bama]

What This Cruel War Was Over

The meaning of the Confederate flag is best discerned in the words of those who bore it.

www.theatlantic.com

I bolded the two sentences below.

This mythology of manners is adopted in lieu of the mythology of the Lost Cause. But it still has the great drawback of being rooted in a lie. The Confederate flag should not come down because it is offensive to African Americans. The Confederate flag should come down because it is embarrassing to all Americans. The embarrassment is not limited to the flag, itself. The fact that it still flies, that one must debate its meaning in 2015, reflects an incredible ignorance. A century and a half after Lincoln was killed, after 750,000 of our ancestors died, Americans still aren’t quite sure why.

 

[Tidewater]

The mayor of Prague under police protection due to a credible threat that the GRU tried to poison him with ricin.

On Sunday, the Czech weekly magazine Respekt reported that a person carrying Russian diplomatic papers had arrived in Prague three weeks ago with the objective of assassinating Hřib and another Czech politician, Ondřej Kolář. The news website, citing anonymous sources in Czech intelligence, said the would-be assassin had been carrying a suitcase containing the lethal poison ricin.

Hřib had done two things. He was vocal in his support of changing the name of the square in front of the Russian embassy to Boris Nemtsov Square (Russian politician murdered outside the Kremlin a couple years ago) and he was instrumental in the removal of the statue to Ivan Konev, Soviet marshal commanding the Red Army forces that liberated Prague from the Nazis and commander of the Soviet troops who crushed the Hungarian uprising in 1956 and the Czechoslovakian uprising in 1968.
Russians did not like either of those action by Hřib.

 

[Go Bama]

The mayor of Prague under police protection due to a credible threat that the GRU tried to poison him with ricin.


Hřib had done two things. He was vocal in his support of changing the name of the square in front of the Russian embassy to Boris Nemtsov Square (Russian politician murdered outside the Kremlin a couple years ago) and he was instrumental in the removal of the statue to Ivan Konev, Soviet marshal commanding the Red Army forces that liberated Prague from the Nazis and commander of the Soviet troops who crushed the Hungarian uprising in 1956 and the Czechoslovakian uprising in 1968.
Russians did not like either of those action by Hřib.

This seems like it deserves its own thread.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

third possibility

it was a statue of a softcore porn model of no particular fame who has only accomplished marrying a pile of human garbage. Why was there even a statue?

Maybe the the artist was a fan of her "film" work.