Politics: General Removal of Statues Thread

[Ldlane]

The first colonizers of the America's were these so called indigenous peoples.

True, but so long ago they are deemed indigenous no matter.

 

[chanson78]

I think that any statue or monument is a bargain between the past, the present and the future. People look at their forebears, find behavior that they feel is worthy of remembrance, and commission a statue to present to future generations those virtues.
If today we search for liabilities in those people and use that as an excuse to destroy that statute and monument, then the list of people from this point forward to whom we will build statue to, well, that will be a very short list.
And maybe the custom of erecting statues to people from the past should go by the boards.

Removing statues in my mind reeks of attempting to rewrite history. However I am finding it hard to care about many of these statues that are being targeted for removal when they were originally erected in an attempt to rewrite history. Specifically I think many of the statues erected during Jim Crow are the worst type of memorial. These memorials were put up with the intention of attempting to claw back some form of power that was systematically being removed as a result of anti segregationist laws.

As a white American who has lived most of his life in the south, I don’t find memorials to southern hero’s terribly powerful to my sense of identity. My ambivalence towards those symbols I believe makes it difficult for me to care whether these statues erected during Jim Crow should remain. As for the statues of more historical figures such as Jefferson, while they don’t affect my sense of identity, I find their removal more distasteful. Just because the statue is of a person who in the light of today’s standards was an immoral person does not mean that they didn’t exist. Why do people never talk about correcting the memorialization that the statues usually conveniently leave off? What if their actions were accurately memorialized at each and every statue.

If the issue with the removal of memorializations is that history is effectively being rewritten, why not use these very pillars to record what happened as accurately as possible. No whitewashing.

 

[MattinBama]

And maybe the custom of erecting statues to people from the past should go by the boards.

It should, along with most other forms of celebrity/hero worship. But for some reason it seems to be built into a large portion of humanity’s genes.

 

[B1GTide]

True, but so long ago they are deemed indigenous no matter.

It is like the statue thing. Too far in the past for it to be relevant today.

 

[Ldlane]

It should, along with most other forms of celebrity/hero worship. But for some reason it seems to be built into a large portion of humanity’s genes.

We should probably just have statues of DNA strands to remind us we are not that different at all.

 

[92tide]

We should probably just have statues of DNA strands to remind us we are not that different at all.

i wouldn't mind seeing these placed about

 

[MattinBama]

We should probably just have statues of DNA strands to remind us we are not that different at all.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

@TIDE-HSV Just trying to clarify .......

You can see the "decolonization" and removing statues, etc.... in the Southwest because of the Latino influence, but not in the "Anglo" colonized part of the country?
¿Estoy en lo correcto?

Sorry, just don't buy it. Too much of a reach...

 

[Ldlane]

Sorry, just don't buy it. Too much of a reach...

It’s what they teach in the University system...Even LatinX specific classes and Social Justice

 

[Ldlane]

Jefferson Davis House to Lose Literary Landmark Designation

Taking a look at literary landmarks, their designation, and the recent rescinding of the Literary Landmark status of Jefferson Davis' house.

bookriot.com

 

[Ldlane]

When we think “decolonization “ think cultural, not race. Race is who you are, culture is what you do. They are not synonymous. A Marxist would say, those statues represent a colonial culture that is embedded into the fabric of todays system. They don’t just represent historical events perpetrated by white guys, it’s the colonial western culture.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I see you are not going to let this go.

When we think “decolonization “ think cultural, not race. Race is who you are, culture is what you do. They are not synonymous. A Marxist would say, those statues represent a colonial culture that is embedded into the fabric of todays system. They don’t just represent historical events perpetrated by white guys, it’s the colonial western culture.

Doctrinaire Marxism is galaxies away from the minds of the typical BLM demonstrators...

 

[Ldlane]

I see you are not going to let this go.
Doctrinaire Marxism is galaxies away from the minds of the typical BLM demonstrators...

True. But do they know what it really is and they may be participating unwittingly At the foot soldier level. The majority that is, not the organizers themselves. You have to look at the allied groups also that take up the cause.

 

[Ldlane]

@TIDE-HSV

Just a side note:

My cousin from Cuba was 12 when she became a dissident and came to the US in 1961 during "Operation Pedro Pan". She went to school and they told her turn and pledge allegiance to the Soviet Flag. She turned around pledged to the Cuban Flag. The Catholic Church smuggled her out to Miami and her parents followed 3 months later. She told me stories about how the government sent troops to her house and they ripped up all of the family photos, records etc.... and said they were going to erase any trace of her family even being there.

The other night she told me that the destruction of monuments, historic buildings etc... reminded her of what she saw when Castro took over.

 

[crimsonaudio]

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This is a quality post. Thank you.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

@TIDE-HSV

Just a side note:

My cousin from Cuba was 12 when she became a dissident and came to the US in 1961 during "Operation Pedro Pan". She went to school and they told her turn and pledge allegiance to the Soviet Flag. She turned around pledged to the Cuban Flag. The Catholic Church smuggled her out to Miami and her parents followed 3 months later. She told me stories about how the government sent troops to her house and they ripped up all of the family photos, records etc.... and said they were going to erase any trace of her family even being there.

The other night she told me that the destruction of monuments, historic buildings etc... reminded her of what she saw when Castro took over.

Destruction of monuments is pretty common in the overthrow of any repressive regime. That's as far as the similarity goes...

 

[Ldlane]

Destruction of monuments is pretty common in the overthrow of any repressive regime. That's as far as the similarity goes...

Okay....let’s just keep a watch out for other events!

FSU is about rename Doak Campbell Stadium, drop the chop and who knows what else. They are in a tizzy on Rivals.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Okay....let’s just keep a watch out for other events!

FSU is about rename Doak Campbell Stadium, drop the chop and who knows what else. They are in a tizzy on Rivals.

I thought they'd bought off the Seminoles...

 

[Ldlane]

A call to remove the Saint Louis statue in Forest Park

Two men said to truly take King Louis IX off his pedestal in St. Louis they can't stop with taking down his statue — they'd also want to change the city's name

www.ksdk.com

 

[B1GTide]

True. But do they know what it really is and they may be participating unwittingly At the foot soldier level. The majority that is, not the organizers themselves. You have to look at the allied groups also that take up the cause.

Either support BLM or don't. This makes you sound like a racist. You may think that is unfair, but it does. If you are okay with that keep posting stuff like this.