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Gitmo Soldier Details Sexual Tactics

What ever happened to bamboo under the fingernails? This doesn't seem like torture to me, but I'm not a Muslim.

I know one thing for sure, the thong treatment beats the he11 out of getting your head cut off...
 
Bamalaw92 said:
Female interrogators tried to break Muslim detainees at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay by sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear and in one case smearing a Saudi man's face with fake menstrual blood, according to an insider's written account.
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I wish that were the worst of it, BL. It's a f#$@ing embarassment is what it is. Thanks, Rummy. Thanks, Alberto.
 
these are NON-COMBATANT ENEMY FORCES. They were captured on the battlefield in non-military uniform. they're not a military of any country and are not covered under the Geneva Convention. The fact that we even let them live to have a day to complain about being taunted (tortured?????) by females in mini-skirts should be a blessing to them.

Maybe the right answer for future engagements is to kill them on the battlefield first then ask questions later.

Sorry. I have no qualms with this or any other technique used on any of these scumbags short of maiming or death.
 
Considering that the islamic fanatics do not wear uniforms, I fail to see the issue. They try to hide behind the rules, then scream bloody hell when we see through their sham.

I agree with BamaNation, they are lucky to have the breath to complain at all.
 
It's On A Slab said:
WHY THEY HATE US.
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They hate us b/c they're NOT us.

WHY SO?

1) They've never had any ability to think for themselves. Some mullah has told them when, how, and what to think.

2) They've never elected or selected their own leadership. Some despot has ruled over them with an iron fist all the while getting rich and building palaces.

3) They've never had any ability to make money for themselves. One has to be in the corrupt ruling parties to become wealthy.

If they hate me b/c of these things, then I appreciate the sentiments.

What, exactly, has the US done that has been so bad for/to them? The blame lies in the fact that these people wanted to hate their own corrupt inept governments but know that doing so gets them killed. Instead, their governemnts reflected that hatred off of the government and onto the US b/c the people needed an outlet for their anger. Subsequently, they have become obsessed and their hatred has consumed them.

Imagine what Iraq will be in 12 months after they create a constitution and select their own president and we begin withdrawing troops.
 
BamaNation said:
They hate us b/c they're NOT us.

WHY SO?

1) They've never had any ability to think for themselves. Some mullah has told them when, how, and what to think.

2) They've never elected or selected their own leadership. Some despot has ruled over them with an iron fist all the while getting rich and building palaces.

3) They've never had any ability to make money for themselves. One has to be in the corrupt ruling parties to become wealthy.

If they hate me b/c of these things, then I appreciate the sentiments.

What, exactly, has the US done that has been so bad for/to them? The blame lies in the fact that these people wanted to hate their own corrupt inept governments but know that doing so gets them killed. Instead, their governemnts reflected that hatred off of the government and onto the US b/c the people needed an outlet for their anger. Subsequently, they have become obsessed and their hatred has consumed them.

Imagine what Iraq will be in 12 months after they create a constitution and select their own president and we begin withdrawing troops.
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Whewwwwwwwwwwww BamaNation!!! I'm impressed. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
BamaNation said:
I have no qualms with this or any other technique used on any of these scumbags short of maiming or death.
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The problem with this sentiment, BN, is that these techniques (and much much worse) are being used across the board, on enemy combatants and innocent civilians alike. Consider Abu Ghraib, for instance. At its peak, AG held more than 7,000 detainees. Today that number is closer to 2,000, as roughly 5,000 of its inmates have been released, a figure consistent with both the Red Cross and General Taguba’s findings that 60 – 80% of those in custody were actually innocent. Like you, I’m not terribly concerned with protecting the rights of known insurgents. But I most certainly AM concerned with protecting the rights of innocent Iraqi citizens. And I hope we both can agree that you cannot torture a group of people under the premise that SOME of them deserve it.
 
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Tide and True said:
The problem with this sentiment, BN, is that these techniques (and much much worse) are being used across the board, on enemy combatants and innocent civilians alike. Consider Abu Ghraib, for instance. At its peak, AG held more than 7,000 detainees. Today that number is closer to 2,000, as roughly 5,000 of its inmates have been released, a figure consistent with both the Red Cross and General Taguba’s findings that 60 – 80% of those in custody were actually innocent. Like you, I’m not terribly concerned with protecting the rights of known insurgents. But I most certainly AM concerned with protecting the rights of innocent Iraqi citizens. And I hope we both can agree that you cannot torture a group of people under the premise that SOME of them deserve it.
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If the 60-80% number you quote is true, the the problem is not in our technique, it's in the fact that somebody at sometime captured these people somewhere where they were believed to have been terrorists.

Now how does that happen? Are they really innocent? I don't want ANY innocent people subjected to unlawful techniques. HOWEVER, the techniques described in this article aren't bad regardless of the innocence or guilt. (I used the word SCUMBAGS to specifically denote anyone who has anything to do with the resistance/terror). I wouldn't even categorize MOST of the pictures we've seen from Abu Ghirab as torture. Demeaining? sure. (And that was the point.) Stupid? Absolutely. But criminal? I think not -- at least for most of the things I've seen.

The fact remains that we're in a battle zone. If the Iraqis will seize the moment this weekend and realize what a precious -- and possibly once-in-a-lifetime opportunity they now have to select a gov't, everything could change for the better for them. Not immediately, but at least the right road will begin to be traveled upon.
 
Tide and True said:
The problem with this sentiment, BN, is that these techniques (and much much worse) are being used across the board, on enemy combatants and innocent civilians alike. Consider Abu Ghraib, for instance. At its peak, AG held more than 7,000 detainees. Today that number is closer to 2,000, as roughly 5,000 of its inmates have been released, a figure consistent with both the Red Cross and General Taguba’s findings that 60 – 80% of those in custody were actually innocent. Like you, I’m not terribly concerned with protecting the rights of known insurgents. But I most certainly AM concerned with protecting the rights of innocent Iraqi citizens. And I hope we both can agree that you cannot torture a group of people under the premise that SOME of them deserve it.
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I assure you, the problems at Abu Ghraib were much worse for innocent Iraqis before the US got there and Saddam was in control of it.
 
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