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Politics: God, Guns, and Gullibility: The Dangers of White Christian Nationalism

Huckleberry said:
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The reason why Christian nationalist pastor Joel Webbon has "grown to despise democracy" is because it allows women to vote: "I think the 19th Amendment should be repealed. I think that because, first and foremost, I'm a Christian. That is the Christian position."
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i remember neal boortz used to make a big deal of this in the early years of his show. it was part of his government and women are so stupid schtick for the libertarian lemmings in his audience
 
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NationalTitles18 said:
Joel can go flip himself sideways.

He is just another in a long line of morons who wrongly considers himself the arbiter of what it means to be "Christian".
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There's simply NOTHING I know of to support women being unequal or unable to lead in the teachings of Christ. Certainly if he wanted women to be second class, there would be ample teachings from him saying that. It's the men who wrote the New Testament and formed and took over the church who demanded women be second class citizens probably for their own personal benefits.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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mdb-tpet said:
There's simply NOTHING I know of to support women being unequal or unable to lead in the teachings of Christ. Certainly if he wanted women to be second class, there would be ample teachings from him saying that. It's the men who wrote the New Testament and formed and took over the church who demanded women be second class citizens probably for their own personal benefits.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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it was paul's job to keep the wimminz in their place
 
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mdb-tpet said:
There's simply NOTHING I know of to support women being unequal or unable to lead in the teachings of Christ. Certainly if he wanted women to be second class, there would be ample teachings from him saying that. It's the men who wrote the New Testament and formed and took over the church who demanded women be second class citizens probably for their own personal benefits.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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no you are correct. My opinion but as a career salesguy I know a pitch when I see it. "believe in our system and we support you having control of your own household"
 
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mdb-tpet said:
There's simply NOTHING I know of to support women being unequal or unable to lead in the teachings of Christ. Certainly if he wanted women to be second class, there would be ample teachings from him saying that. It's the men who wrote the New Testament and formed and took over the church who demanded women be second class citizens probably for their own personal benefits.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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You apparently haven't read the Old Testament...
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
You apparently haven't read the Old Testament...
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I'm not talking about the Old Testament, as the current church is supposedly based upon Jesus's teachings.
And much of what I see has little to do with Jesus's actual teachings, as written in the Bible.
 
mdb-tpet said:
I'm not talking about the Old Testament, as the current church is supposedly based upon Jesus's teachings.
And much of what I see has little to do with Jesus's actual teachings, as written in the Bible.
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Your original post seemed to state that the men who wrote the New Testament were the ones who made women second class citizens by what they wrote in the New Testament. If that's not what you meant then my apologies. That's how I read it. So going from that, my point was if you think the New Testament made women second-class citizens I can only imagine what you think of the Old Testament where the same God the Father and the same God the Son (Jesus) existed.

Also, Jesus is as much in the Old Testament as in the NT. Jesus didn't come into existence when He took earthly form via the virgin birth and growing up into a man. Jesus sat at the right hand of God the Father and in the presence of God the Holy Spirit before creation and as they directed the Israelites throughout the Old Testament. This is disclosed in the New Testament.

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Bamabuzzard said:
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Your original post seemed to state that the men who wrote the New Testament were the ones who made women second class citizens by what they wrote in the New Testament. If that's not what you meant then my apologies. That's how I read it. So going from that my point was if you think the New Testament made women second-class citizens I can only imagine what you think of the Old Testament where the same God the Father and the same God the Son (Jesus) existed.

Also, Jesus is as much in the Old Testament as in the NT. Jesus didn't come into existence when He took earthly form via the virgin birth and growing up into a man. Jesus sat at the right hand of God the Father and in the presence of God the Holy Spirit before creation, and as they directed the Israelites throughout the Old Testament. This is disclosed in the New Testament.

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Dropping some solid theology today I see.
 
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mdb-tpet said:
There's simply NOTHING I know of to support women being unequal or unable to lead in the teachings of Christ. Certainly if he wanted women to be second class, there would be ample teachings from him saying that. It's the men who wrote the New Testament and formed and took over the church who demanded women be second class citizens probably for their own personal benefits.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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My question for you is what is your view of what the Bible actually is? That will determine how you view what it says and what authority it has in any area of your life if any.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
Your original post seemed to state that the men who wrote the New Testament were the ones who made women second class citizens by what they wrote in the New Testament. If that's not what you meant then my apologies. That's how I read it. So going from that, my point was if you think the New Testament made women second-class citizens I can only imagine what you think of the Old Testament where the same God the Father and the same God the Son (Jesus) existed.

Also, Jesus is as much in the Old Testament as in the NT. Jesus didn't come into existence when He took earthly form via the virgin birth and growing up into a man. Jesus sat at the right hand of God the Father and in the presence of God the Holy Spirit before creation and as they directed the Israelites throughout the Old Testament. This is disclosed in the New Testament.
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The writers, church leaders, and religious scholars took the old Testament, current writings, and the existing Roman patriarchy society (women were very second class citizens in Rome) and over hundreds of years crafted a new religious book, eventually forming the Roman Catholic Church. They were making a new church, and COULD have made equity in leadership as a central tenant, but instead the new Church locked women out of all of the important leadership positions. Now our Protestant current churches have all evolved somewhat from that beginning, but they have not evolved enough to me from that male centered start as the SBC have clearly shown lately for example. Women are treated better in the writings in the NT, but they are not written about or treated close to equally in the text or churches still. The four gospels are all written from the viewpoint of men, and these texts were selected by men to be the four gospels for example.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
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Your original post seemed to state that the men who wrote the New Testament were the ones who made women second class citizens by what they wrote in the New Testament. If that's not what you meant then my apologies. That's how I read it. So going from that, my point was if you think the New Testament made women second-class citizens I can only imagine what you think of the Old Testament where the same God the Father and the same God the Son (Jesus) existed.

Also, Jesus is as much in the Old Testament as in the NT. Jesus didn't come into existence when He took earthly form via the virgin birth and growing up into a man. Jesus sat at the right hand of God the Father and in the presence of God the Holy Spirit before creation and as they directed the Israelites throughout the Old Testament. This is disclosed in the New Testament.
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It's less the men who wrote the New Testament as
1. The men who chose what documents would be included in the OT and NT, and
2. The men who subsequently translated those documents.
 
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