Grubb to be next OC at Bama per ESPN

[CrimsonTitles]

That is questionable. While living in Tuscaloosa is cheaper, Washington does not have a state personal income tax, while we are paying 5% in Alabama.

I was in Seattle for a bit, and looked at both buying and renting a house. The cost difference for housing alone, was far more expensive than Alabama, and certainly well more than 5%. In many cases, you'd pay twice as much for the same size home, and sometimes even thrice as much. That is ultimately why I decided against it

 

[Ledsteplin]

This ^^^ puts a little bit of a sour on this hire for me. Rumors swirled his wife or both he and his wife had no interest in living in Tuscaloosa, but I think it was the South in general not T Town specifically. He has an established pattern of showing he didn't want to be here, which started before CKD even got here. Saban has publicly said he tried to hire Grubb MULTIPLE TIMES and was turned down every time. Then he came with DeBoer and what seemed like 24 hours later bolted out of town on the first thing smoking. That establishes (for me) truth to the rumors of "they don't want to be here". So what's changed now from then other than he got fired and doesn't want to sit out of football for a year? His flight risk after one year is very, very likely, IMO. Which one year and done is something we do not need. Just color me "meh" on this hire...

They may find they like the south better than they thought they would. And where would he go? With the money he'll make at Alabama, I don't see him leaving for another OC job. That leaves another stint in the NFL, which I doubt happens, after not doing well at Seattle. Then as a HC. But I don't see that either after just one year at a top program, even if he does fantastic.

 

[some_al_fan]

I was in Seattle for a bit, and looked at both buying and renting a house. The cost difference for housing alone, was far more expensive than Alabama, and certainly well more than 5%. In many cases, you'd pay twice as much for the same size home. That is ultimately why I decided against it

We are talking about 5% of 2 million per year salary. That is $100k (slightly less after accounting for various deductions) per year.
Agree that housing is twice as much in Seattle, but 100k / year difference in taxes should cover that.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

They may find they like the south better than they thought they would. And where would he go? With the money he'll make at Alabama, I don't see him leaving for another OC job. That leaves another stint in the NFL, which I doubt happens, after not doing well at Seattle. Then as a HC. But I don't see that either after just one year at a top program, even if he does fantastic.

For the record, his wife dispelled that rumor on Facebook today, so I wouldn't put too much stock in the rumors. They deserve the chance to make this work without that kind of talk. I think fans cling to those sorts of rumors, as a way to make the losses not hit quite as hard, but Grubb chose to come back, so let's see how it plays out.

 

[Ledsteplin]

Do we know yet what Sheridan’s role will be? I saw that he wasn’t leaving the program.

No one knows yet. But Sheridan has experience as quarterbacks coach. He coached Penix at Washington. He also is a good tight ends coach. So we'll see.

 

[colbysullivan]

Who could possibly not be ecstatic about this hire?

 

[OconeeTide]

I cant see how this isnt anything other then a HUGE win for us.

 

[oskie]

... And where would he go? With the money he'll make at Alabama, I don't see him leaving for another OC job. That leaves another stint in the NFL, which I doubt happens, after not doing well at Seattle. Then as a HC. But I don't see that either after just one year at a top program, even if he does fantastic.

An Iowa buddy of mine, who graduated a few years after Grubb from the same high school, is hoping that he will spend a few years at Alabama, then come home to the University of Iowa to take Ferentz's place.

For me I just hope he stays a while in Tuscaloosa.

 

[B1GTide]

We are talking about 5% of 2 million per year salary. That is $100k (slightly less after accounting for various deductions) per year.
Agree that housing is twice as much in Seattle, but 100k / year difference in taxes should cover that.

It is a shell game. You can be sure that if you are not paying taxes in one place, you are paying it somewhere else.

There are many ways to tax a person.

 

[TiderJack]

It is a shell game. You can be sure that if you are not paying taxes in one place, you are paying it somewhere else.

There are many ways to tax a person.

Exactly. The state is going to get their money one way or the other.....

 

[TiderJack]

I see this as good news for the program. Makes me wonder if anyone on the offensive side of the ball who just recently transferred to another program might re-consider? Anyone who had planned to stay think of changing now? Changing of the guard in the coaching staff now also involves shakeups, potentially, in the roster.

No room for most of them now. There is one more window but don't expect anyone to come back.

 

[81usaf92]

Grubb would have been told that he would be expected to run Alabama's offense, with the freedom to add in a few wrinkles.

I doubt that was the case. It probably went like this “ do I want to stay with a team that I’ve been building towards with Michael penix or do I want to have a brand new team with Milroe or Simpson as my quarterback”

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

It is a shell game. You can be sure that if you are not paying taxes in one place, you are paying it somewhere else.

There are many ways to tax a person.

Exactly!

The property taxes in Washington would be a lot higher that in Alabama...

 

[B1GTide]

I doubt that was the case. It probably went like this “ do I want to stay with a team that I’ve been building towards with Michael penix or do I want to have a brand new team with Milroe or Simpson as my quarterback”

There is that, to be sure.

 

[GrayTide]

I have no opinion one way or the other of Grubb. He has to prove his worth in the SEC against the best teams.

 

[92tide]

he is next in line to pants kirby's mighty defensive next september. i hope he is up to the task

 

[KrAzY3]

I have no opinion one way or the other of Grubb. He has to prove his worth in the SEC against the best teams.

You could argue the same for DeBoer in general. He has some big wins to go along with some bad losses. We don't really know for sure if his style is going to work in the SEC (at least sufficiently to meet Alabama standards). Time will tell.

That was a big issue I had with Sheridan though. He wasn't a proven commodity, and while Milroe was justifiably blamed for a lot of offensive struggles, there also wasn't much from Sheridan to feel good about either. If he was to continue calling plays next season, the blame game could have shifted from Milroe to Sheridan, and then of course the idea would be may be if DeBoer just got the right OC then his offense would work.

We will now know for sure. DeBoer has his man running the offense, these are the minds behind his success at Washington and there is no inherited QB (no Sayin, no Milroe, two guys they brought in and Ty). If DeBoer's style of offense is going to succeed in the SEC, we will find out next season.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

You could argue the same for DeBoer in general. He has some big wins to go along with some bad losses. We don't really know for sure if his style is going to work in the SEC (at least sufficiently to meet Alabama standards). Time will tell.

That was a big issue I had with Sheridan though. He wasn't a proven commodity, and while Milroe was justifiably blamed for a lot of offensive struggles, there also wasn't much from Sheridan to feel good about either. If he was to continue calling plays next season, the blame game could have shifted from Milroe to Sheridan, and then of course the idea would be may be if DeBoer just got the right OC then his offense would work.

We will now know for sure. DeBoer has his man running the offense, these are the minds behind his success at Washington and there is no inherited QB (no Sayin, no Milroe, two guys they brought in and Ty). If DeBoer's style of offense is going to succeed in the SEC, we will find out next season.

Why wouldn't his offense succeed in the SEC? It's just another variation of the spread offense that many teams run these days, including other SEC schools. I know some people refer to it as air raid, and while there are air raid concepts, it is not your traditional air raid offense. DeBoer would like to pass the ball about 60% of the time, which is still fairly balanced. There's no reason to believe it wouldn't work in the SEC. This isn't Mike Leach's offense.

 

[KrAzY3]

Why wouldn't his offense succeed in the SEC? It's just another variation of the spread offense that just many run these days, including SEC schools. I know some people refer to it as air raid, and while there are air raid concepts, it is not your traditional air raid offense. DeBoer would like to pass the ball about 60% of the time, which is still fairly balanced. There's no reason to believe it wouldn't work in the SEC. This isn't Mike Leach's offense.

Well, I said to Alabama's standards. Look at what Kiffin is doing at Ole Miss for example. That's great by Ole Miss standards, but he's living and dying by the QB. At Ole Miss that might be the only way to succeed, it's not the only way to succeed at Alabama where they don't have to risk it all on QB play.

I don't know what in theory DeBoer would like to do, but I don't think I've seen any of his teams that actually handed the ball off 40% of the time. Now we can argue a bit on the details (QB scrambles) but the actual rate of handing off is something like 35% of the time, exactly what Grubb did at Seattle and that ended up being a major complaint.

So, if it worked in the PAC-12, but didn't seem to work in the NFL... we'll see.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

Well, I said to Alabama's standards. Look at what Kiffin is doing at Ole Miss for example. That's great by Ole Miss standards, but he's living and dying by the QB. At Ole Miss that might be the only way to succeed, it's not the only way to succeed at Alabama where they don't have to risk it all on QB play.

I don't know what in theory DeBoer would like to do, but I don't think I've seen any of his teams that actually handed the ball off 40% of the time. Now we can argue a bit on the details (QB scrambles) but the actual rate of handing off is something like 35% of the time, exactly what Grubb did at Seattle and that ended up being a major complaint.

So, if it worked in the PAC-12, but didn't seem to work in the NFL... we'll see.

His Washington team is what I'm going by when I say 60/40. I didn't even factor in this year, because we only have about 30% of the offense installed. At Washington, they would lean on the run quite a bit when Dillon Johnson was healthy. They didn't have anything behind him, so when he went out, they'd have to lean on the pass like they did in the national championship game, which was likely most people's first exposure to Washingon, so I understand where the notion comes from.

As for Kiffin, you gotta take into account where he's at also. When he was at Bama, his offenses were plenty good enough to win in the SEC, becuase he had all the talent he could possibly want. The LSU offense last year was extremely QB reliant, and pass heavy, and it worked just fine. Their defense was the problem. Heupel runs an offense everyone said wouldn't work in the SEC, and he's had a lot of major success. There are examples everywhere. No, those teams aren't winning championships, but not because the offense doesn't work in the SEC.