Grubb to be next OC at Bama per ESPN

[Cruloc]

I’m sorry but 12-2, SEC Champs is much better than 9-4. Several games last season Rees was able to make adjustments. As far as I’m concerned, the next adjustment Sheridan makes will be his first.

I don’t care what the overall numbers say, we didn’t have outputs of 17, 3, and 13 all in losing efforts with not one single adjustment on offense. There was no reason to believe Sheridan was going to be any better next season, Milroe or not.

Its very simple to say that Sheridan would have looked better with a QB other than Milroe. He would have also looked better in 2025 with Milroe not at QB.

Grubb....glad DeBoer got him back. We'll at least have him for 1 year. We'll see improvements in the offense.

We'd have had a percentage increase in improved numbers anyway, but Grubb makes that percentage even higher.

 

[cdub55]

An Iowa buddy of mine, who graduated a few years after Grubb from the same high school, is hoping that he will spend a few years at Alabama, then come home to the University of Iowa to take Ferentz's place.

For me I just hope he stays a while in Tuscaloosa.

They would be going from running the ball 60 times a game to throwing the ball 60 times a game. The roster he would inherit offensively would 100% be sent to the transfer portal.

 

[BamaMoon]

Its very simple to say that Sheridan would have looked better with a QB other than Milroe. He would have also looked better in 2025 with Milroe not at QB.

Grubb....glad DeBoer got him back. We'll at least have him for 1 year. We'll see improvements in the offense.

We'd have had a percentage increase in improved numbers anyway, but Grubb makes that percentage even higher.

Penix almost threw for 5000 yards the year they played in the title game. JM threw for less than 3000 this year.

I don't know what the low or high end would be in passing yardage if, say TS, wins the job this year, but I'd be shocked if it is not way north of 3000!

 

[colbysullivan]

I’m certainly not defending Sheridan, but can you really blame him for not adjusting when he consistently designed plays that had WRs running wide open? He did his job for the most part. One player in particular…the most important player…simply couldn’t execute.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Penix almost threw for 5000 yards the year they played in the title game. JM threw for less than 3000 this year.

I don't know what the low or high end would be in passing yardage if, say TS, wins the job this year, but I'd be shocked if it is not way north of 3000!

You can safely say that every designed run for JM would be a pass attempt for Ty Simpson. Not only did the staff use designed QB runs to take advantage of JM's speed but also to keep his passing deficiencies from fully being exposed. Simpson will have more opportunity to throw for more yardage than Milroe because they won't be trying to hide as many deficiencies.

 

[BamaFanatJSU]

I’m certainly not defending Sheridan, but can you really blame him for not adjusting when he consistently designed plays that had WRs running wide open? He did his job for the most part. One player in particular…the most important player…simply couldn’t execute.

I can. If you'll indulge a bit of the absurd, let me paint a scenario that, while ridiculous on its face, is a metaphor for what we witnessed this year with Sheridan and Milroe.

For a bit of personal context, I had shoulder surgery 13 years ago, and as a result, I can't throw a football more than 30 yards. Now, let's say that I'm a starting QB (again, this is absurdism at its best, but go with me). I know my limitations, my OC is aware of them, and after watching film for 30 seconds, opponents can plainly see my deficiencies as well. Yet, during games, my OC is calling plays that "scheme guys open" by running fly routes 30-50 yards downfield.

To the bewilderment of fans and clueless pundits alike, I don't throw to these "open" receivers, despite the fact that opposing defenses are stacking the box, playing overlapping zones within 20 yards of the LOS, and letting my receivers run free deep in the secondary. The public sees my OC calling plays that result in open receivers and potential chunk-play gains, but the offense remains stagnant. Why don't I hit these receivers who have been "schemed" open, they ask? Because I can't make the throws.

So, my question is this: isn't the debacle that was UA's 2024 offense just as much on Sheridan as it was on Milroe? Calling plays that result in guys running open means absolutely nothing if the guy making the throws is incapable of anticipating windows, throwing guys open, or hell, even seeing guys that are running free. When defenses don't have to account for certain areas of the field or potential areas that could be exploited, it's paints the offense into a box. A strong OC sees that, adapts to the skillset of the trigger man, and makes the necessary adjustments. The fact that Milroe's raw stats and efficiency numbers were better under CTR (a guy that was excoriated by many on this board for "dumbing down the offense") is evidence to me that Nick Sheridan was as much, if not more of, the problem than Jalen Milroe.

 

[cdub55]

I can. If you'll indulge a bit of the absurd, let me paint a scenario that, while ridiculous on its face, is a metaphor for what we witnessed this year with Sheridan and Milroe.

For a bit of personal context, I had shoulder surgery 13 years ago, and as a result, I can't throw a football more than 30 yards. Now, let's say that I'm a starting QB (again, this is absurdism at its best, but go with me). I know my limitations, my OC is aware of them, and after watching film for 30 seconds, opponents can plainly see my deficiencies as well. Yet, during games, my OC is calling plays that "scheme guys open" by running fly routes 30-50 yards downfield.

To the bewilderment of fans and clueless pundits alike, I don't throw to these "open" receivers, despite the fact that opposing defenses are stacking the box, playing overlapping zones within 20 yards of the LOS, and letting my receivers run free deep in the secondary. The public sees my OC calling plays that result in open receivers and potential chunk-play gains, but the offense remains stagnant. Why don't I hit these receivers who have been "schemed" open, they ask? Because I can't make the throws.

So, my question is this: isn't the debacle that was UA's 2024 offense just as much on Sheridan as it was on Milroe? Calling plays that result in guys running open means absolutely nothing if the guy making the throws is incapable of anticipating windows, throwing guys open, or hell, even seeing guys that are running free. When defenses don't have to account for certain areas of the field or potential areas that could be exploited, it's paints the offense into a box. A strong OC sees that, adapts to the skillset of the trigger man, and makes the necessary adjustments. The fact that Milroe's raw stats and efficiency numbers were better under CTR (a guy that was excoriated by many on this board for "dumbing down the offense") is evidence to me that Nick Sheridan was as much, if not more of, the problem than Jalen Milroe.

A.) No one was running open 30-50 yards down the field. More like 3-20 yards wide open and many times in broad day light.
B.) If you are an SEC QB and can't throw the ball, you shouldn't be playing. That isn't Sheridan's fault.
C.) Many of these "open receivers" were open for long stretches of the route and the QB had great protection and time to make his reads. So much so that the analysts on TV made the statement ad nauseum, "Oh Milroe had _____ open over the middle and just didn't see him."

So to further extrapolate the point in a hypothetical context, if you were the OC of Alabama and the HC forced you to play a QB who couldn't throw the ball, but you knew the only way to win was to throw the ball, and the HC wanted you to throw the ball, what would you do?

 

[AlexanderFan]

I can. If you'll indulge a bit of the absurd, let me paint a scenario that, while ridiculous on its face, is a metaphor for what we witnessed this year with Sheridan and Milroe.

For a bit of personal context, I had shoulder surgery 13 years ago, and as a result, I can't throw a football more than 30 yards. Now, let's say that I'm a starting QB (again, this is absurdism at its best, but go with me). I know my limitations, my OC is aware of them, and after watching film for 30 seconds, opponents can plainly see my deficiencies as well. Yet, during games, my OC is calling plays that "scheme guys open" by running fly routes 30-50 yards downfield.

To the bewilderment of fans and clueless pundits alike, I don't throw to these "open" receivers, despite the fact that opposing defenses are stacking the box, playing overlapping zones within 20 yards of the LOS, and letting my receivers run free deep in the secondary. The public sees my OC calling plays that result in open receivers and potential chunk-play gains, but the offense remains stagnant. Why don't I hit these receivers who have been "schemed" open, they ask? Because I can't make the throws.

So, my question is this: isn't the debacle that was UA's 2024 offense just as much on Sheridan as it was on Milroe? Calling plays that result in guys running open means absolutely nothing if the guy making the throws is incapable of anticipating windows, throwing guys open, or hell, even seeing guys that are running free. When defenses don't have to account for certain areas of the field or potential areas that could be exploited, it's paints the offense into a box. A strong OC sees that, adapts to the skillset of the trigger man, and makes the necessary adjustments. The fact that Milroe's raw stats and efficiency numbers were better under CTR (a guy that was excoriated by many on this board for "dumbing down the offense") is evidence to me that Nick Sheridan was as much, if not more of, the problem than Jalen Milroe.

So many people come up with so many ways to make this Sheridan’s fault.

In your scenario you wouldn’t be the quarterback, unless you had most of the team on your payroll. Another part is you’re dealing in absolutes. Milroe showed flashes of being unstoppable, quick decisive accurate throws and one cut and explode runs, not to mention the deep balls. How in the ever loving flim flamming pits of Hades was Rees or Sheridan to know which Jalen Milroe was going to show up from play to play?

They didn’t ask him to do anything that an average quarterback couldn’t do.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I can. If you'll indulge a bit of the absurd, let me paint a scenario that, while ridiculous on its face, is a metaphor for what we witnessed this year with Sheridan and Milroe.

For a bit of personal context, I had shoulder surgery 13 years ago, and as a result, I can't throw a football more than 30 yards. Now, let's say that I'm a starting QB (again, this is absurdism at its best, but go with me). I know my limitations, my OC is aware of them, and after watching film for 30 seconds, opponents can plainly see my deficiencies as well. Yet, during games, my OC is calling plays that "scheme guys open" by running fly routes 30-50 yards downfield.

To the bewilderment of fans and clueless pundits alike, I don't throw to these "open" receivers, despite the fact that opposing defenses are stacking the box, playing overlapping zones within 20 yards of the LOS, and letting my receivers run free deep in the secondary. The public sees my OC calling plays that result in open receivers and potential chunk-play gains, but the offense remains stagnant. Why don't I hit these receivers who have been "schemed" open, they ask? Because I can't make the throws.

So, my question is this: isn't the debacle that was UA's 2024 offense just as much on Sheridan as it was on Milroe? Calling plays that result in guys running open means absolutely nothing if the guy making the throws is incapable of anticipating windows, throwing guys open, or hell, even seeing guys that are running free. When defenses don't have to account for certain areas of the field or potential areas that could be exploited, it's paints the offense into a box. A strong OC sees that, adapts to the skillset of the trigger man, and makes the necessary adjustments. The fact that Milroe's raw stats and efficiency numbers were better under CTR (a guy that was excoriated by many on this board for "dumbing down the offense") is evidence to me that Nick Sheridan was as much, if not more of, the problem than Jalen Milroe.

I think you missed the point...

The offense was dumbed down for JM and he still couldn't execute it. No OC in the world can help a QB that can't execute the few plays that you have in your game plan.

ALSO, and this is huge...the QB tipping what the play is going to be.

 

[The Ols]

I can. If you'll indulge a bit of the absurd, let me paint a scenario that, while ridiculous on its face, is a metaphor for what we witnessed this year with Sheridan and Milroe.

For a bit of personal context, I had shoulder surgery 13 years ago, and as a result, I can't throw a football more than 30 yards. Now, let's say that I'm a starting QB (again, this is absurdism at its best, but go with me). I know my limitations, my OC is aware of them, and after watching film for 30 seconds, opponents can plainly see my deficiencies as well. Yet, during games, my OC is calling plays that "scheme guys open" by running fly routes 30-50 yards downfield.

To the bewilderment of fans and clueless pundits alike, I don't throw to these "open" receivers, despite the fact that opposing defenses are stacking the box, playing overlapping zones within 20 yards of the LOS, and letting my receivers run free deep in the secondary. The public sees my OC calling plays that result in open receivers and potential chunk-play gains, but the offense remains stagnant. Why don't I hit these receivers who have been "schemed" open, they ask? Because I can't make the throws.

So, my question is this: isn't the debacle that was UA's 2024 offense just as much on Sheridan as it was on Milroe? Calling plays that result in guys running open means absolutely nothing if the guy making the throws is incapable of anticipating windows, throwing guys open, or hell, even seeing guys that are running free. When defenses don't have to account for certain areas of the field or potential areas that could be exploited, it's paints the offense into a box. A strong OC sees that, adapts to the skillset of the trigger man, and makes the necessary adjustments. The fact that Milroe's raw stats and efficiency numbers were better under CTR (a guy that was excoriated by many on this board for "dumbing down the offense") is evidence to me that Nick Sheridan was as much, if not more of, the problem than Jalen Milroe.

2 different coaching staffs…same results…definition of insanity?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

For a bit of personal context, I had shoulder surgery 13 years ago, and as a result, I can't throw a football more than 30 yards. Now, let's say that I'm a starting QB (again, this is absurdism at its best, but go with me). I know my limitations, my OC is aware of them, and after watching film for 30 seconds, opponents can plainly see my deficiencies as well. *Yet, during games, my OC is calling plays that "scheme guys open" by running fly routes 30-50 yards downfield.*

To the bewilderment of fans and clueless pundits alike, I don't throw to these "open" receivers, despite the fact that opposing defenses are stacking the box, playing overlapping zones within 20 yards of the LOS, and letting my receivers run free deep in the secondary. The public sees my OC calling plays that result in open receivers and potential chunk-play gains, but the offense remains stagnant. *Why don't I hit these receivers who have been "schemed" open, they ask? Because I can't make the throws.*

So, my question is this: isn't the debacle that was UA's 2024 offense just as much on Sheridan as it was on Milroe? Calling plays that result in guys running open means absolutely nothing if the guy making the throws is incapable of anticipating windows, throwing guys open, or hell, even seeing guys that are running free. When defenses don't have to account for certain areas of the field or potential areas that could be exploited, it's paints the offense into a box. A strong OC sees that, adapts to the skillset of the trigger man, and makes the necessary adjustments. The fact that Milroe's raw stats and efficiency numbers were better under CTR (a guy that was excoriated by many on this board for "dumbing down the offense") is evidence to me that Nick Sheridan was as much, if not more of, the problem than Jalen Milroe.

You're basically making the case (without realizing it) that Jalen Milroe was the root of the offensive struggles.

First off, open receivers WERE NOT only 30-50 yards downfield. That is simply not true. There were wr's in the 10-20 yard range running free all season long that Milroe missed. Go watch the most recent bowl game against Michigan and watch Bernard and Ryan Williams on intermediate routes running wide the frick open in frustration and Milroe (having time to throw) just sits and holds the ball. When the " he can't do that's" and "he can't make that throw" starts mounting up on the list of your QB then more it restricts the adjustment options the OC can do. That's just a fact. The things Milroe couldn't do put Rees and Sheridan in such a bind it restricted any adjustment options you can throw out there. Also, Milroe's numbers under Rees weren't materially better to even come close to saying Rees did a better job than Sheridan.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

2 different coaching staffs…same results…definition of insanity?

The common denominator has entered the NFL Draft...

 

[The Ols]

The common denominator has entered the NFL Draft...

Mods…I would like to add a “jumping up and down for joy.” emoji…

 

[some_al_fan]

I can. If you'll indulge a bit of the absurd, let me paint a scenario that, while ridiculous on its face, is a metaphor for what we witnessed this year with Sheridan and Milroe.

For a bit of personal context, I had shoulder surgery 13 years ago, and as a result, I can't throw a football more than 30 yards. Now, let's say that I'm a starting QB (again, this is absurdism at its best, but go with me). I know my limitations, my OC is aware of them, and after watching film for 30 seconds, opponents can plainly see my deficiencies as well. Yet, during games, my OC is calling plays that "scheme guys open" by running fly routes 30-50 yards downfield.

To the bewilderment of fans and clueless pundits alike, I don't throw to these "open" receivers, despite the fact that opposing defenses are stacking the box, playing overlapping zones within 20 yards of the LOS, and letting my receivers run free deep in the secondary. The public sees my OC calling plays that result in open receivers and potential chunk-play gains, but the offense remains stagnant. Why don't I hit these receivers who have been "schemed" open, they ask? Because I can't make the throws.

So, my question is this: isn't the debacle that was UA's 2024 offense just as much on Sheridan as it was on Milroe? Calling plays that result in guys running open means absolutely nothing if the guy making the throws is incapable of anticipating windows, throwing guys open, or hell, even seeing guys that are running free. When defenses don't have to account for certain areas of the field or potential areas that could be exploited, it's paints the offense into a box. A strong OC sees that, adapts to the skillset of the trigger man, and makes the necessary adjustments. The fact that Milroe's raw stats and efficiency numbers were better under CTR (a guy that was excoriated by many on this board for "dumbing down the offense") is evidence to me that Nick Sheridan was as much, if not more of, the problem than Jalen Milroe.

What can you expect OC to do if the opposing defense seals the edges and takes away QB runs like SC / Oklahoma / TEN did?

"The fact that Milroe's raw stats and efficiency numbers were better under CTR….”

I think I know the answer to this one. In 2023, Saban had a dominant defense. That was arguably the best secondary in college football plus a first-round pass rusher.
When you have a dominant defense then you can play more conservative and would take 3 & out instead of asking your QB to throw the ball.
On the other hand, 2024 defense was average at best. True freshman starter in the secondary, anemic pass rush, etc. You have to score points to win with this defense. And Miroe could not deliver that

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

You're basically making the case (without realizing it) that Jalen Milroe was the root of the offensive struggles.

First off, open receivers WERE NOT only 30-50 yards downfield. That is simply not true. There were wr's in the 10-20 yard range running free all season long that Milroe missed. Go watch the most recent bowl game against Michigan and watch Bernard and Ryan Williams on intermediate routes running wide the frick open in frustration and Milroe (having time to throw) just sits and holds the ball. When the " he can't do that's" and "he can't make that throw" starts mounting up on the listof of your QB then more it restricts the adjustment options the OC can do. That's just a fact. The things Milroe couldn't put Rees and Sheridan in such a bind it restricted any adjustment options you can throw out there. Also, Milroe's numbers under Rees weren't materially better to even come close to saying Rees did a better job than Sheridan.


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Exactly!

BamaFanatJSU should go back and watch the Michigan game while listening to the announcers (especially the second half). They were pointing out that Milroe's field vision was the problem.

 

[davefrat]

I’m sorry but 12-2, SEC Champs is much better than 9-4. Several games last season Rees was able to make adjustments. As far as I’m concerned, the next adjustment Sheridan makes will be his first.

I don’t care what the overall numbers say, we didn’t have outputs of 17, 3, and 13 all in losing efforts with not one single adjustment on offense. There was no reason to believe Sheridan was going to be any better next season, Milroe or not.

3 points in a game is just unbelievably bad.

 

[davefrat]

What can you expect OC to do if the opposing defense seals the edges and takes away QB runs like SC / Oklahoma / TEN did?



I think I know the answer to this one. In 2023, Saban had a dominant defense. That was arguably the best secondary in college football plus a first-round pass rusher.
When you have a dominant defense then you can play more conservative and would take 3 & out instead of asking your QB to throw the ball.
On the other hand, 2024 defense was average at best. True freshman starter in the secondary, anemic pass rush, etc. You have to score points to win with this defense. And Miroe could not deliver that

On paper I believe last season's defense was the best since 2017.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

The common denominator has entered the NFL Draft...

This has turned into a Sheridan discussion more than a Milroe discussion. Even though Milroe is still in the conversation, the main topic is Sheridan and I just think it is unfair to the guy to put the amount of blame some are on his shoulders with the limitations he was given.

 

[davefrat]

You're basically making the case (without realizing it) that Jalen Milroe was the root of the offensive struggles.

First off, open receivers WERE NOT only 30-50 yards downfield. That is simply not true. There were wr's in the 10-20 yard range running free all season long that Milroe missed. Go watch the most recent bowl game against Michigan and watch Bernard and Ryan Williams on intermediate routes running wide the frick open in frustration and Milroe (having time to throw) just sits and holds the ball. When the " he can't do that's" and "he can't make that throw" starts mounting up on the list of your QB then more it restricts the adjustment options the OC can do. That's just a fact. The things Milroe couldn't do put Rees and Sheridan in such a bind it restricted any adjustment options you can throw out there. Also, Milroe's numbers under Rees weren't materially better to even come close to saying Rees did a better job than Sheridan.


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He should have entered the draft last year.

Probably would have benefitted both parties more than him staying on.

 

[BamaFanatJSU]

A.) No one was running open 30-50 yards down the field. More like 3-20 yards wide open and many times in broad day light.

In your scenario you wouldn’t be the quarterback, unless you had most of the team on your payroll.

First off, open receivers WERE NOT only 30-50 yards downfield. That is simply not true. There were wr's in the 10-20 yard range running free all season long that Milroe missed.

For crying out loud, guys, the QB in my example has MY physical limitations and is clearly NOT intended to be a perfect facsimile of Jalen Milroe. I did reference the absurdist nature of the example scenario twice. It's a metaphor because it's representative, not beat-for-beat applicable.

B.) If you are an SEC QB and can't throw the ball, you shouldn't be playing. That isn't Sheridan's fault.

I didn't say it was all his fault, and I certainly don't disagree with the first sentence. I simply chalked up his inability to adjust to those limitations as just as much to blame as the limitations themselves.

Holy cow, people. Jalen Milroe was woefully bad this year. Full stop. And yet, the steadfastness with which some people maintain that him leaving the program was the only ingredient necessary for solving all our offensive ills is interesting, to say the least.