Gus Malzahn fired (and (laughable) coaching search...)

NoNC4Tubs

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Comes from an insider. Retaining Gus was the default position, believe it or not. We have a coterie of idiots in charge and they apparently got put in their place hard here.

Hopefully less JABA going forward. If we hire Lashlee though I'll have a good laugh over it all.
Who put them in their "place"...? :unsure:
 

TideMan09

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I hope they hire Freeze just because Coach Saban has adjusted his defense specifically suited in stopping those types of offenses..

We're a leaner, stronger & faster on the D side of ball, thanks too the new system Coach Ballou has in place now, there's no team or HC I fear on the college level..

We're simply on a level of play no team will be able to reach..The Barn included with or without Coach Freeze.. When Freeze beat us we were slower on the D side of the ball & that's not the case anymore cause Coach Saban fixed that problem hiring our S&C Coaches..JMO
 
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UntouchableCrew

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He is a west coast guy, and he has seen what Saban does to other coaches' careers.
I don't know how much the west coast thing matters. SEC money is SEC money -- there aren't that many gigs like that in the Pac-12 and he's already been to USC and washed out.

I agree he'd be selective -- he's not gonna to go Auburn. But I think he could carve out an SEC gig for himself in the near future. Saban won't coach forever.
 

Evil Crimson Dragon

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"If you wanna be the man, you gotta beat the man" lol.

You're not entirely wrong. Luckily most guys aren't quite as milquetoast as all that and would probably welcome the challenge. Some of these guys are so self-assured it could be diagnosed as a pathology.

I mean, could you imagine Kiffin's twitter if we hired him? He'd dedicate a post every day to getting under Saban's skin.
I have a feeling he would...... to a point. Were someone in the know to “let slip” Kiffie’s past issues I think he would can it
 

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I hope they hire Freeze just because Coach Saban has adjusted his defense specifically suited in stopping those types of offenses..

We're a leaner, stronger & faster on the D side of ball, thanks too the new system Coach Ballou has in place now, there's no team or HC I fear on the college level..

We're simply on a level of play no team will be able to reach..The Barn included with or without Coach Freeze.. When Freeze beat us we were slower on the D side of the ball & that's not the case anymore cause Coach Saban fixed that problem hiring our S&C Coaches..JMO
Alabama today is an entirely different animal than what Freeze faced 4 years ago. Saban has more than adjusted, and stocked the pantry to ensure the adjustments continue. What Freeze would have to build to deal with 2020 Alabama and beyond is something I'm not sure he's able to do.

Edit- And in addition, even Kiffin's one offensive game of success has now been adjusted for seeing that Golding has appeared to have the light turn on and the defense is balling out.
 
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rolltide_21

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"If you wanna be the man, you gotta beat the man" lol.

You're not entirely wrong. Luckily most guys aren't quite as milquetoast as all that and would probably welcome the challenge. Some of these guys are so self-assured it could be diagnosed as a pathology.

I mean, could you imagine Kiffin's twitter if we hired him? He'd dedicate a post every day to getting under Bama fans' skin.
FIFY. I doubt Saban cares what Lane Kiffin posts on Twitter. Frankly, I doubt Saban even know much about social media at all. That's what he hires his minions, I mean staffers, to do.
 

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Kiffin isn't leaving Ole Miss for the Barn. I know Tuberville did it but the primary issues that caused Tubs to want to leave Ole Miss are no longer there. Kiffin knows the pressure difference between the two programs, especially when it comes to beating Bama, and knows that job security is virtually non-existent on the Plains. He hasn't hit any sort of wall, yet, so there's no logical reason for him to want to make a change.

Some Barners are saying names like Urban Meyer. No one in the same zip code as Urban Meyer is going to even think about it. Meyer just turned down Texas. C'mon...

Freeze basically has an SEC show-cause against him. He might have been the most likely candidate but his involvement in their recruiting violations - with the other stuff just piled on top - would make him an extremely difficult hire. Remember, Ole Miss used the "hookers and blow" stuff as the official reason for firing him but then turned around and threw him under the bus by laying the recruiting violations at his feet. They made him radioactive in the SEC.

The most likely name I've seen that would probably be a good hire is Napier.

As for making a home-run hire, the Barn has two very significant things going against it:

1. Everyone and their brother knows that their head coach - no matter who it's been - has been on the hot seat at the end of just about every other season.

2. No one - ever - has been consistently successful there, at least not in terms of being a year-in-year-out championship contender in the conference. The Barn has followed up a 10+ win season with another 10+win season exactly once in its entire history. Once.

Alabama, meanwhile, is on a 13-year 10+ win streak - meaning Bama has followed up a 10+ win season with another 10+win season 12 times in a row. And, not incidentally, Bama has now done it 21 times in its history.

However, the Barn has fired its last four head coaches despite having those four coaches deliver some of the best results in their entire history. Three of them managed to have undefeated seasons (something Pat Dye never did and Ralph Jordan did only twice). Half of them played in a National Championship Game and one of them won it. The four coaches' overall winning percentages were comparable to - if not better than - their best ever. The last three of those coaches - over just a 10-year span (2004, 2010, 2013) - are responsible for three of the Barn's eight SEC Championships over 88 years being in the SEC.

The last four coaches have been fired for not meeting expectations - whatever those expectations happen to be. Of course, whatever those expectations happen to be, they happen to be doing something no one has ever done because the Barn's last four coaches have accomplished everything that any other coach there has accomplished.

If that isn't the epitome of unrealistic expectations, I don't know what is.

What home-run hire is going to want to come in and take over a program - whatever the money - where they know the expectations are unrealistic?
 
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Kiffin isn't leaving Ole Miss for the Barn. I know Tuberville did it but the primary issues that caused Tubs to want to leave Ole Miss are no longer there. Kiffin knows the pressure difference between the two programs, especially when it comes to beating Bama, and knows that job security is virtually non-existent on the Plains. He hasn't hit any sort of wall, yet, so there's no logical reason for him to want to make a change.

Some Barners are saying names like Urban Meyer. No one in the same zip code as Urban Meyer is going to even think about it. Meyer just turned down Texas. C'mon...

Freeze basically has an SEC show-cause against him. He might have been the most likely candidate but his involvement in their recruiting violations - with the other stuff just piled on top - would make him an extremely difficult hire. Remember, Ole Miss used the "hookers and blow" stuff as the official reason for firing him but then turned around and threw him under the bus by laying the recruiting violations at his feet. They made him radioactive in the SEC.

The most likely name I've seen that would probably be a good hire is Napier.

As for making a home-run hire, the Barn has two very significant things going against it:

1. Everyone and their brother knows that their head coach - no matter who it's been - has been on the hot seat at the end of just about every other season.

2. No one - ever - has been consistently successful there, at least not in terms of being a year-in-year-out championship contender in the conference. The Barn has followed up a 10+ win season with another 10+win season exactly once in its entire history. Once.

Alabama, meanwhile, is on a 13-year 10+ win streak - meaning Bama has followed up a 10+ win season with another 10+win season 12 times in a row. And, not incidentally, Bama has now done it 21 times in its history.

However, the Barn has fired its last four head coaches despite having those four coaches deliver some of the best results in their entire history. Three of them managed to have undefeated seasons (something Pat Dye never did and Ralph Jordan did only twice). Half of them played in a National Championship Game and one of them won it. The four coaches' overall winning percentages were comparable to - if not better than - their best ever. The last three of those coaches - over just a 10-year span (2004, 2010, 2013) - are responsible for three of the Barn's eight SEC Championships over 88 years being in the SEC.

The last four coaches have been fired for not meeting expectations - whatever those expectations happen to be. Of course, whatever those expectations happen to be, they happen to be doing something no one has ever done because the Barn's last four coaches have accomplished everything that any other coach there has accomplished.

If that isn't the epitome of unrealistic expectations, I don't know what it.

What home-run hire is going to want to come in and take over a program - whatever the money - where they know the expectations are unrealistic?
That's about the best analysis of AU's coaching that I've ever seen.
 

DogPatch

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I mean, could you imagine Kiffin's twitter if we hired him? He'd dedicate a post every day to getting under Saban's skin.
First, let me say I agree that Kiffin would be an upgrade, and maybe one of the best coaches AU can get, BUT, is AU that much better of a job than Ole Miss for at least the next (fiil in the blank) years that Saban is still at UA?
 

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Kiffin isn't leaving Ole Miss for the Barn. I know Tuberville did it but the primary issues that caused Tubs to want to leave Ole Miss are no longer there. Kiffin knows the pressure difference between the two programs, especially when it comes to beating Bama, and knows that job security is virtually non-existent on the Plains. He hasn't hit any sort of wall, yet, so there's no logical reason for him to want to make a change.

Some Barners are saying names like Urban Meyer. No one in the same zip code as Urban Meyer is going to even think about it. Meyer just turned down Texas. C'mon...

Freeze basically has an SEC show-cause against him. He might have been the most likely candidate but his involvement in their recruiting violations - with the other stuff just piled on top - would make him an extremely difficult hire. Remember, Ole Miss used the "hookers and blow" stuff as the official reason for firing him but then turned around and threw him under the bus by laying the recruiting violations at his feet. They made him radioactive in the SEC.

The most likely name I've seen that would probably be a good hire is Napier.

As for making a home-run hire, the Barn has two very significant things going against it:

1. Everyone and their brother knows that their head coach - no matter who it's been - has been on the hot seat at the end of just about every other season.

2. No one - ever - has been consistently successful there, at least not in terms of being a year-in-year-out championship contender in the conference. The Barn has followed up a 10+ win season with another 10+win season exactly once in its entire history. Once.

Alabama, meanwhile, is on a 13-year 10+ win streak - meaning Bama has followed up a 10+ win season with another 10+win season 12 times in a row. And, not incidentally, Bama has now done it 21 times in its history.

However, the Barn has fired its last four head coaches despite having those four coaches deliver some of the best results in their entire history. Three of them managed to have undefeated seasons (something Pat Dye never did and Ralph Jordan did only twice). Half of them played in a National Championship Game and one of them won it. The four coaches' overall winning percentages were comparable to - if not better than - their best ever. The last three of those coaches - over just a 10-year span (2004, 2010, 2013) - are responsible for three of the Barn's eight SEC Championships over 88 years being in the SEC.

The last four coaches have been fired for not meeting expectations - whatever those expectations happen to be. Of course, whatever those expectations happen to be, they happen to be doing something no one has ever done because the Barn's last four coaches have accomplished everything that any other coach there has accomplished.

If that isn't the epitome of unrealistic expectations, I don't know what it.

What home-run hire is going to want to come in and take over a program - whatever the money - where they know the expectations are unrealistic?
If I am a young up and coming or want to be head coach (like Jeremy Pruitt), I am jumping at the chance. If I am that home run hire you speak of, no way would I take a shot. I would wait on a better opportunity to come open later.
 
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