The chart clearly shows one network having 40% higher ratings and they're "virtually tied" ?
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re: 25-54... So what? Other than to advertisers, is there any real significance to this factoid? No.
The fact remains that O'Reilly's rating blows Olberman out of the water.
Basically 25-54 is a generic overview or ratings base . As an exammple - if I sell Nike tennis shoes , my primary target would be males 18-24 and I would have no interest in any other numbers or demographics . I only care that my target is being reached . Same holds for a dress shop = females 18-54 .
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Not really all that clear on the meaning of my post are you? Let me be a little more clear.
Some would argue that waterbording is torture, it's deplorable, it cannot be tolerated in a civilized society for any reason, whether we're at war or not. It cannot even be used on people who are truly evil and who have and would do anything to murder large numbers of innocent people.
Those same people would break out the popcorn and pay good money to see someone whose political ideology differs from their own be "tortured" because it's voluntary. I guess we'll all have to wait for jackass 3 to come out so we can see how funny it is to see someone be voluntarily waterborded.
These are the real numbers from Wednesday .......
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Also , I took a look back to April of last year and my suspicions were correct . Olberman has nearly doubled his ratings since Obama became MSNBC's poster boy last year . O'reilly's numbers are practically identical while Olberman still is and will forever remain a very distant blip in the rearview mirror .
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.... more than triple the audience for Fox over MSNBC . In primetime , as often advertised , Fox beat the combined efforts of all competitors .
Also , I took a look back to April of last year and my suspicions were correct . Olberman has nearly doubled his ratings since Obama became MSNBC's poster boy last year . O'reilly's numbers are practically identical while Olberman still is and will forever remain a very distant blip in the rearview mirror .
Sounds like Aubs reasoning " WEll since the BCS we have one People's National Championship and Alabam has none. Before the BCS you can't count any national titles."
We're on the same side and page . That's why I posted the raw totals in my following post which I feel are the only totals that matter when examining the big picture - the real ones . Basically , I was just adding to your response to Bamaro without having to type as much
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Now that the thread has gotten sufficiently sidetracked, I'm going back to the main theme.
I've voiced my opinions on other threads, so my thoughts on torture in general are already known.
My personal opinion on Sean Hannity volunteering to be waterboarded is that it's a complete farce. You can't fake the realism that is involved in the procedure at some made up sideshow. Everyone involved, including Hannity himself, would know that it's all an act. He would know that he's not in any danger, because there would be so many people there witnessing it that you'd swear you're at Talladega.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see everything from ticket scalpers to concession stands.
"Program! Get your Program!" :wink:
I've voiced my opinions on other threads, so my thoughts on torture in general are already known.
My personal opinion on Sean Hannity volunteering to be waterboarded is that it's a complete farce. You can't fake the realism that is involved in the procedure at some made up sideshow. Everyone involved, including Hannity himself, would know that it's all an act. He would know that he's not in any danger, because there would be so many people there witnessing it that you'd swear you're at Talladega.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see everything from ticket scalpers to concession stands.
"Program! Get your Program!" :wink:
I wish they would drown him. And Olberman too. I'd contribute to the charity of their choice to see it.
Side note: You guys got to stop watching this partisan TV "news" crap. It's poisoning your brains. It ain't news. It's vitriol.
Side note: You guys got to stop watching this partisan TV "news" crap. It's poisoning your brains. It ain't news. It's vitriol.
I'll stand by my factual statement "In the 25-54 group (which is what advertisers look at) they are virtually tied". Take it for what you want. Any misrepresentation of that statement is by those trying to belittle the facts. This is the demographic that means the most to the networks in prime time.
Maybe the overall ratings numbers that BillO has over the Ober is just another example of the need of those on the right to try to have constant reinforcement of their opinions.
Maybe the overall ratings numbers that BillO has over the Ober is just another example of the need of those on the right to try to have constant reinforcement of their opinions.
Fox's ratings numbers are the subject of a lot of discussion. There's no denying that they DO get a massive share of the cable news market. There's a few reasons why they do so well:
1. Most importantly and not to be discounted, there's a large segment of the population that either feels Fox is the most balanced news coverage out there OR thinks that they at least counterbalance what they perceive as slanted news coverage elsewhere. I'm not speaking at all to the accuracy of these views, simply that they do exist. IOW, lots of people think Fox gives them the best news products.
2. Since Fox is perceived as the only "conservative" news source, it draws from a large and unfragmented audience. MSNBC, CNN, HNN, etc are perceived as "liberal" news sources and that fragments their ratings. Like for example I'll watch CNN for an hour to get caught up on what's going on around the country, but then I'll watch Maddow for some commentary.
3. Fox watchers tend to watch for longer periods of time than CNN or HNN watchers based on their heavy reliance on opinion and commentary shows. CNN and HNN viewers tend to watch for a half-hour or so just to get the headlines and news. One set of eyes that watches for three hours counts for more than two sets of eyes watching for one hour apiece.
1. Most importantly and not to be discounted, there's a large segment of the population that either feels Fox is the most balanced news coverage out there OR thinks that they at least counterbalance what they perceive as slanted news coverage elsewhere. I'm not speaking at all to the accuracy of these views, simply that they do exist. IOW, lots of people think Fox gives them the best news products.
2. Since Fox is perceived as the only "conservative" news source, it draws from a large and unfragmented audience. MSNBC, CNN, HNN, etc are perceived as "liberal" news sources and that fragments their ratings. Like for example I'll watch CNN for an hour to get caught up on what's going on around the country, but then I'll watch Maddow for some commentary.
3. Fox watchers tend to watch for longer periods of time than CNN or HNN watchers based on their heavy reliance on opinion and commentary shows. CNN and HNN viewers tend to watch for a half-hour or so just to get the headlines and news. One set of eyes that watches for three hours counts for more than two sets of eyes watching for one hour apiece.
Or maybe they're just indisputable factsI'll stand by my factual statement "In the 25-54 group (which is what advertisers look at) they are virtually tied". Take it for what you want. Any misrepresentation of that statement is by those trying to belittle the facts. This is the demographic that means the most to the networks in prime time.
Maybe the overall ratings numbers that BillO has over the Ober is just another example of the need of those on the right to try to have constant reinforcement of their opinions.
In the past I've depended upon ratings for my income and I've sold enough ads to know the diference in what's relevant and what is not . There's a wide gap between the networks in every demographic and in the real world 25-54 is not what smart advertisers base their decisions upon . It's simply a starting point for a sales pitch .
Advertisers want to reach their target audience . Toy manufacturers aren't interested in anyone in the 25-54 pool . Home med-alert companies aren't interested in anyone between 25-54 either . Like I said it's nothing more than an early line in a sales pitch and in many cases it's a completely useless number . For every case someone can cite where 25-54 matters , I'll provide an example of it having no value .
The bottom line is that you'd nearly go broke trying to sell for MSNBC while you'd live a comfortable and stress free life selling for Fox because Fox destroys MSNBC from a to z .
So in other words , Fox still kicks the hell out those networks combined numbers even though those networks are benefiting from sharing their audience(1 person boosting the ratings for multiple networks) in order to accumilate the crappy ratings they do manage to post . Correct ?
And BTW , ratings are formed from sampling every 15 minute block so your point(s) on length has/have no relevance .
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