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The best team TODAY won the game. The best team tomorrow doesn't matter. We shot ourselves in the foot at crucial points in the game and it cost us. But 12-1 and going to the Sugar Bowl is a WHOLE LOT easier to swallow than 6-6 and going to Shreveport.
 

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Florida deserves to play in the BCSCG. I just don't see how anyone can take that away from them. Alabama played them head to head and lost. Case closed as far as I'm concerned.

Urban Meyer has recruited extremely well and it showed today. Overall Florida has a few more play makers than we do, but Tebow was the difference today. He throws the ball very well and he is a 240 pound gorilla running the ball. This puts a great deal of pressure on a defense and this is incredibly hard to defend.

I felt very confident of an Alabama win today, but it didn't happen. My hat is off to UF. They are a very, very talented football team and I wish them luck against Oklahoma. I know they will represent the SEC well.

I am very proud of what Alabama has done this year. We have a very young football team and we all know that better days are ahead of us.
 

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You actually think...even though we could not beat florida, that we could still beat OU?
Yes because OU doesn't have a defense worth a flip. Trust me - the moment they get into a battle where they can't get ahead by 30 points in a quarter, they'll fold - they already did.
 

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the two best teams in the country are Florida and Oklahoma. Quit trying to find an angle on how we are better than the gators--we are not, and it was shown on the field of play tonight!! They are going to play OU and after that there will be no controversy. My goodness, people, accept it and let's move on...
Can we be a close third? :wink:
 

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Florida's the better team (slightly) but mainly because of Tebow. The guy's just an amazing college player.
 

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Yes because OU doesn't have a defense worth a flip. Trust me - the moment they get into a battle where they can't get ahead by 30 points in a quarter, they'll fold - they already did.
We'll see. You could have said the same thing about Florida before today's game and it would have applied just the same.
 

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And it is. The "Every" game in the season is important does not hold water. The early games are not nearly as important as the late games with the current system.
which is why they should just use computers - which are capable of evaluating ALL games played against ALL opponents by ALL teams.

Raise your hand if you think that any of the voters watch anything other than sportscenter and a few minutes of each of the nationally televised game? Let the computers do the talking and make sure that SoS plays a major part in the rankings.
 

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Bama got beat by a talented Florida team. Bama lost because Bama can not pass block and does not have a passing attack other than Julio Jones. If Bama could have passed the ball better down the field Bama wins hands down. Now I pull for the SEC, but I think Olahoma passes all over the field on Florida and I dont think Florida can stop Bradford and their passing game...I could be wrong, but I think Oklahoma drops 40 or more on Florida.....and Florida will drop a lot on them as well. Like I said if Bama could pass better they would have won the game. Julio is a beast though and if we find a few complimentary WRs to go with him and a decent QB to get them the ball, Bama will be hard to beat the next few years.
 

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the two best teams in the country are Florida and Oklahoma. Quit trying to find an angle on how we are better than the gators--we are not, and it was shown on the field of play tonight!! They are going to play OU and after that there will be no controversy. My goodness, people, accept it and let's move on...
Thats a negative, the 2 best Teams are FL and Alabama.
 

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I agree that Bama and UF are the two best teams in the country; would really like to see a tournament involving those two and OU and Texas - it would be fun I believe.
 

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I'll probably get flamed for it, but IMO, BAMA and TEXAS are both getting hosed in this. Particularly Texas, when you think about it.

Like some others, I do have a problem with Bama getting dropped so far below all the other one loss teams when you look at the overall picture. And you can bet we will drop to like 6-7-8 when the new BCS rankings come out, because you have Utah and Boise St undefeated.
I think everyone (all the voters) is giving UF an unfair, yes an unfair pass this year that they did not give the Barn in 2004- they played The Citadel for crying out loud. This year we all said PennSt, U$C, and others should be penalized for their weak SOS, but not UF? And no its not sour grapes because they beat BAMA, but how can you honestly say there is any consistency by which the teams who play for a championship are chosen? Going all the way back when the Sooners played for a NC and didn't even win their conference. Same applies here. When you have this many 1-loss teams, I'm not sure it should be decided by the human voters who are biased, and thats what will happen.

BAMA- Undefeated regular season w/their only loss being to a 1-loss UF team in the SECCG, a team that most project will play for a national title.
Held the #1 spot in all polls including the BCS in the regular season for over a month leading up to the SECCG. Again, undefeated reg. season.

OK- Lost to TX during the reg. season, yet still played for the conference championship and won it, but was only there because voters ranked them higher than TX. They didn't win in a head-to-head and jumped the team that beat them. (JUST WRONG).

UF - Lost to an unranked Ole Miss team but beat Bama in the SECCG; played The Citadel on their schedule. (This was enough to keep the undefeated Barn team from playing in 2004, shouldn't the same apply when all other things are equal?)

UT(Texas) - lost to a highly ranked TT team and beat both UO and UM who both went on to play for their conf championship, but UT got left out due to screwed up conference issue that allows a higher ranking to override a head -to-head matchup. Got jumped in the BCS by a team they just beat.

USC- one early loss to a now semi-decent, albeit unranked team when they played but has a weak, weak conference schedule, but otherwise very similar to the UF team, IMO.


Utah and Boise St- both undefeated but really weak conference play. Won't even be considered for the NC.

My point is this and like I said its strictly my opinion as I have no say in the grand scheme of things:
All of these 1-loss teams are basically even, some having stronger points than others as to who should play for a MNC. But to me its wrong to penalize a team for a late in the season loss or a loss in a conference championship matchup, when other teams in the hunt don't even play a conference CG, and to also not penalize another team for a loss period, any loss. Shouldn't the all important SOS factor be applied in a loss, if you're going to apply it within the context of the wins for each team? Oh wait, except in UF and U$C's case.

It is what it is, as CNS would say, and BAMA will have had a great year and probably play in the Sugar Bowl against an undefeated Utah team. But who is to say they don't deserve to play for a NC title still? I think they have just as legit an argument as the other 4 top teams, and that is my point.
Unless the BCS system forces the conferences to be more even, meaning either all playing a conf. CG across the board, or not at all, and all teams play under the same set of rules across the board, there will not be a definitive championship matchup between THE top two teams. None of it will mean much. The whole thing stinks but it isn't the first time. Just my thoughts.:BigA:
 
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I'll probably get flamed for it, but IMO, BAMA and TEXAS are both getting hosed in this. Particularly Texas, when you think about it.

Like some others, I do have a problem with Bama getting dropped so far below all the other one loss teams when you look at the overall picture. And you can bet we will drop to like 6-7-8 when the new BCS rankings come out, because you have Utah and Boise St undefeated.
I think everyone (all the voters) is giving UF an unfair, yes an unfair pass this year that they did not give the Barn in 2004- they played The Citadel for crying out loud. This year we all said PennSt, U$C, and others should be penalized for their weak SOS, but not UF? And no its not sour grapes because they beat BAMA, but how can you honestly say there is any consistency by which the teams who play for a championship are chosen? Going all the way back when the Sooners played for a NC and didn't even win their conference. Same applies here. When you have this many 1-loss teams, I'm not sure it should be decided by the human voters who are biased, and thats what will happen.

BAMA- Undefeated regular season w/their only loss will be to a 1-loss UF team in the SECCG, a team that most project will play for a national title.
Held the #1 spot in all polls including the BCS in the regular season for over a month leading up to the SECCG. Again, undefeated reg. season.

OK- Lost to TX during the reg. season, yet still played for the conference championship and won it, but was only there because voters ranked them higher than TX. They didn't win in a head-to-head and jumped the team that beat them. (JUST WRONG).

UF - Lost to an unranked Ole Miss team but beat Bama in the SECCG; played The Citadel on their schedule. (This was enough to keep the undefeated Barn team from playing in 2004, shouldn't the same apply when all other things are equal?)

UT(Texas) - lost to a highly ranked TT team and beat both UO and UM who both went on to play for their conf championship, but UT got left out due to screwed up conference issue that allows a higher ranking to override a head -to-head matchup. Got jumped in the BCS by a team they just beat.

USC- one early loss to a now semi-decent, albeit unranked team when they played but has a weak, weak conference schedule, but otherwise very similar to the UF team, IMO.


Utah and Boise St- both undefeated but really weak conference play. Won't even be considered for the NC.

My point is this and like I said its strictly my opinion as I have no say in the grand scheme of things:
All of these 1-loss teams are basically even, some having stronger points than others as to who should play for a MNC. But to me its wrong to penalize a team for a late in the season loss or a loss in a conference championship matchup, when other teams in the hunt don't even play a conference CG, but not penalize another team for a loss period, any loss. Shouldn't the all important SOS factor be applied in a loss, if you're going to apply it within the context of the wins for each team? Oh wait, except in UF and U$C's case.

It is what it is, as CNS would say, and BAMA will have had a great year and probably play in the Sugar Bowl against an undefeated Utah team. But who is to say they don't deserve to play for a NC title still? I think they have just as legit an argument as the other 4 top teams, and that is my point.
Unless the BCS system forces the conferences to be more even, meaning either all playing a conf. CG across the board, or not at all, and all teams play under the same set of rules across the board, there will not be a definitive championship matchup between THE top two teams. None of it will mean much. The whole thing stinks but it isn't the first time. Just my thoughts.:BigA:
M'aam, my sentiments EXACTLY!

:BigA:RTR:BigA:
 

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the two best teams in the country are Florida and Oklahoma. Quit trying to find an angle on how we are better than the gators--we are not, and it was shown on the field of play tonight!! They are going to play OU and after that there will be no controversy. My goodness, people, accept it and let's move on...
This OU/Texas argument has been driven into the ground, don't you think? I agree that UT should have been awarded the spot in their title game, but ultimately that conference has the right to award it to whom they want and it looks like they got it right. Do I think Texas was better than OU the day that they played? Yep. Do I think they could beat OU TODAY? No. OU and Florida are, right now, the two best teams in the land, and they are going to play.
Whatever, debate and opinion are the whole point of a forum like this.

I don't think that Florida is the better team. I think Tebow took over the game and beat us. In this case one player did make a difference.

By the tone of your posts you should change your mood to grumpy...cheerful just doesn't seem to fit. As good as we played we still lost, I don't know if cheerful is how most of us feel. But, like I said, you are entitled to your opinion that is what this forum is all about. :)

:BigA: RTR!
 

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Re: Heard John Saunders & Doug Flutie Talking About Bama & Oklahoma Playing In BCS Ti

which is why they should just use computers - which are capable of evaluating ALL games played against ALL opponents by ALL teams.

Raise your hand if you think that any of the voters watch anything other than sportscenter and a few minutes of each of the nationally televised game? Let the computers do the talking and make sure that SoS plays a major part in the rankings.
The one thing that the computers do not do is factor in head to head losses. I would use computers to pick a playoff field before I would use humans, but not to narrow the field from 120 all the way down to 2...
 

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I'll probably get flamed for it, but IMO, BAMA and TEXAS are both getting hosed in this. Particularly Texas, when you think about it.

Like some others, I do have a problem with Bama getting dropped so far below all the other one loss teams when you look at the overall picture. And you can bet we will drop to like 6-7-8 when the new BCS rankings come out, because you have Utah and Boise St undefeated.
I think everyone (all the voters) is giving UF an unfair, yes an unfair pass this year that they did not give the Barn in 2004- they played The Citadel for crying out loud. This year we all said PennSt, U$C, and others should be penalized for their weak SOS, but not UF? And no its not sour grapes because they beat BAMA, but how can you honestly say there is any consistency by which the teams who play for a championship are chosen? Going all the way back when the Sooners played for a NC and didn't even win their conference. Same applies here. When you have this many 1-loss teams, I'm not sure it should be decided by the human voters who are biased, and thats what will happen.

BAMA- Undefeated regular season w/their only loss being to a 1-loss UF team in the SECCG, a team that most project will play for a national title.
Held the #1 spot in all polls including the BCS in the regular season for over a month leading up to the SECCG. Again, undefeated reg. season.

OK- Lost to TX during the reg. season, yet still played for the conference championship and won it, but was only there because voters ranked them higher than TX. They didn't win in a head-to-head and jumped the team that beat them. (JUST WRONG).

UF - Lost to an unranked Ole Miss team but beat Bama in the SECCG; played The Citadel on their schedule. (This was enough to keep the undefeated Barn team from playing in 2004, shouldn't the same apply when all other things are equal?)

UT(Texas) - lost to a highly ranked TT team and beat both UO and UM who both went on to play for their conf championship, but UT got left out due to screwed up conference issue that allows a higher ranking to override a head -to-head matchup. Got jumped in the BCS by a team they just beat.

USC- one early loss to a now semi-decent, albeit unranked team when they played but has a weak, weak conference schedule, but otherwise very similar to the UF team, IMO.


Utah and Boise St- both undefeated but really weak conference play. Won't even be considered for the NC.

My point is this and like I said its strictly my opinion as I have no say in the grand scheme of things:
All of these 1-loss teams are basically even, some having stronger points than others as to who should play for a MNC. But to me its wrong to penalize a team for a late in the season loss or a loss in a conference championship matchup, when other teams in the hunt don't even play a conference CG, and to also not penalize another team for a loss period, any loss. Shouldn't the all important SOS factor be applied in a loss, if you're going to apply it within the context of the wins for each team? Oh wait, except in UF and U$C's case.

It is what it is, as CNS would say, and BAMA will have had a great year and probably play in the Sugar Bowl against an undefeated Utah team. But who is to say they don't deserve to play for a NC title still? I think they have just as legit an argument as the other 4 top teams, and that is my point.
Unless the BCS system forces the conferences to be more even, meaning either all playing a conf. CG across the board, or not at all, and all teams play under the same set of rules across the board, there will not be a definitive championship matchup between THE top two teams. None of it will mean much. The whole thing stinks but it isn't the first time. Just my thoughts.:BigA:

Thank you CC for your level headed insight. Your post is why I came on the board this morning. With the local paper headlines and the local TV review of the game, one would think Bama was blown out and outclassed in all aspects of the game. Your post is most welcomed.:):BigA:
 

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which is why they should just use computers - which are capable of evaluating ALL games played against ALL opponents by ALL teams.

Raise your hand if you think that any of the voters watch anything other than sportscenter and a few minutes of each of the nationally televised game? Let the computers do the talking and make sure that SoS plays a major part in the rankings.
I agree. I think the coaches poll should not even exist because we all know that these coaches do not have time to watch all the games before voting. The coaches poll is always a joke to me.
 

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This debate can and will go on forever. W/O a playoff, it's virtually impossible to say who is the best team. I do know this, teams improve or regress as the season goes on. Things change, due to injuries, coaching, competition, whatever. The case can be made on several levels for any one of at least 5 teams, including UT, OU, Bama, USC, & Florida.

I will say this about OU, since that's the team I am obviously most familiar with:

Our D is not as bad as it's made out to be. We have played against high-powered spread O's virtually the entire season and many of the points we've given up have been after we have gotten out to huge leads. When it counted vs quality O's we have played well.

Florida has not seen the likes of our O in the SEC. Besides Tebow, the only QB's that seem to get accolades that might rival the QB's in the Big 12 are Matthew Stafford & Jevon Snead. Snead couldn't beat out McCoy @ Texas and Stafford, while very talented, seems to be very inconsistent. JPW is a very good QB but his role in a very conservative O is to simply not make mistakes.

Florida starts a true freshman & a soph. @ CB & they're D-line will need to get healthy if they have any chance of stopping our O. The only area where I would give them an edge is in the kicking game. Tebow is not nearly as elusive as some of the QB's we have faced; i.e., Zac Robinson & Colt McCoy. He is more of a power runner & as such is much more containable. Percy Harvin is no more a weapon than Macklin, Crabtree, Shipley or Dez Bryant. There's a reason why the finalists for the top receiver & TE awards are all from the Big 12.

I do not know who will win in the NC game but to discount OU simply on the basis of an inferior D our that the Big 12 doesn't play D is a mistake. Frankly, & I admit this is based on a lot of history, the one team I would be the most afraid of in a game for all the marbles is Southern Cal.

I wanted an Alabama vs OU matchup in the worst way, not because I thought the Tide would be an easier opponent but because the idea of these two traditional powers with so many similarities playing for all the marbles was so appealing.

In closing I will say this, I have been an OU fan since the 50's & this is by far the most dynamic, versatile, & devastating Oklahoma offense I have ever seen. The relentlessness & precision with which it operates is stunning. We can either overpower you in the run game or dazzle you in the passing game w/o changing the pieces on the field. We ramp up the reps & simply wear down the D & it's flawless in terms of it's execution.In my opinion there's noone who can stop us. To beat us, you'll have to outscore us. It's as simple as that. Florida just might be able to do it. I can hardly wait to see.
 

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Re: Heard John Saunders & Doug Flutie Talking About Bama & Oklahoma Playing In BCS Ti

This debate can and will go on forever. W/O a playoff, it's virtually impossible to say who is the best team. I do know this, teams improve or regress as the season goes on. Things change, due to injuries, coaching, competition, whatever. The case can be made on several levels for any one of at least 5 teams, including UT, OU, Bama, USC, & Florida.

I will say this about OU, since that's the team I am obviously most familiar with:

Our D is not as bad as it's made out to be. We have played against high-powered spread O's virtually the entire season and many of the points we've given up have been after we have gotten out to huge leads. When it counted vs quality O's we have played well.

Florida has not seen the likes of our O in the SEC. Besides Tebow, the only QB's that seem to get accolades that might rival the QB's in the Big 12 are Matthew Stafford & Jevon Snead. Snead couldn't beat out McCoy @ Texas and Stafford, while very talented, seems to be very inconsistent. JPW is a very good QB but his role in a very conservative O is to simply not make mistakes.

Florida starts a true freshman & a soph. @ CB & they're D-line will need to get healthy if they have any chance of stopping our O. The only area where I would give them an edge is in the kicking game. Tebow is not nearly as elusive as some of the QB's we have faced; i.e., Zac Robinson & Colt McCoy. He is more of a power runner & as such is much more containable. Percy Harvin is no more a weapon than Macklin, Crabtree, Shipley or Dez Bryant. There's a reason why the finalists for the top receiver & TE awards are all from the Big 12.

I do not know who will win in the NC game but to discount OU simply on the basis of an inferior D our that the Big 12 doesn't play D is a mistake. Frankly, & I admit this is based on a lot of history, the one team I would be the most afraid of in a game for all the marbles is Southern Cal.

I wanted an Alabama vs OU matchup in the worst way, not because I thought the Tide would be an easier opponent but because the idea of these two traditional powers with so many similarities playing for all the marbles was so appealing.

In closing I will say this, I have been an OU fan since the 50's & this is by far the most dynamic, versatile, & devastating Oklahoma offense I have ever seen. The relentlessness & precision with which it operates is stunning. We can either overpower you in the run game or dazzle you in the passing game w/o changing the pieces on the field. We ramp up the reps & simply wear down the D & it's flawless in terms of it's execution.In my opinion there's noone who can stop us. To beat us, you'll have to outscore us. It's as simple as that. Florida just might be able to do it. I can hardly wait to see.
With all the things your offense can do it can be stopped by one thing, PRESSURE ON THE QB. Y'all proved that against Texas Tech. But in saying that I hope y'all absolutely mutilate Florida in the most humiliating and embarrassing way.
 

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Noone has been able to accompish that against us. UT sacked Bradford twice. The problem is three-fold; first, we have an outstanding & athletic O-line that protects Sam wonderfully. Second, our run game is so powerful that D-'s can't pin their ears back & come at us. Third, Sam is cool, calm, & fearless. He stands in there until the last second & seems to have an uncanny knack for sensing pressure. He throws well on the run & has pin-point accuracy on all his throws. He's faster than you think, not quick or elusive but able to escape pressure when needed.

I don't want this to sound like I am saying we're unbeatable. I am just saying that one shouldn't automatically assume, because there's a perception that the Big 12 is the WAC reincarnate, or that we can't win the big game, that we're doomed to lose to Florida. We are really good. So are they. I think it's going to be a helluva game.
 

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