How about a 12 plus 2 College Football Playoff?

[RollsTide]

While I understand the reasoning behind including the two Group of Five teams, it really seems like it's not the best twelve teams. How about having two play your way in Wild card games? This would consist of the two Group of Five top two teams, playing the number 11 and 12th ranked teams. This year it would be James Madison at Notre Dame, and Tulane at BYU. The winner of each game moves into the final 12 playoff teams.

 

[crimsonaudio]

 

[TNBama]

I cant remember the details, but I saw a video with an interesting proposal. One of the main purposes was to take away the advantages of conference teams that don't make the conference championship NOT to get a free bye for the playoff. But it could help with the issue mentioned here too.

Expand the playoff just a little, then near the time the conference championships are being played, the first round of the playoff can start with the other contenders. For the major conference championships, both teams would get into the playoff and the winners would get their bye the next round. Yes, you would get the occasional odd circumstance like this years ACC winner, but I think it's worth that.

 

[RollsTide]

Why not? It would give two teams that feel they should be in to prove it against the two teams from the Group of Five, farther down in the rankings.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I cant remember the details, but I saw a video with an interesting proposal. One of the main purposes was to take away the advantages of conference teams that don't make the conference championship NOT to get a free bye for the playoff. But it could help with the issue mentioned here too.

Expand the playoff just a little, then near the time the conference championships are being played, the first round of the playoff can start with the other contenders. For the major conference championships, both teams would get into the playoff and the winners would get their bye the next round. Yes, you would get the occasional odd circumstance like this years ACC winner, but I think it's worth that.

The ACC quirk this year was because of a 5 way tie for second place and weird tiebreaker rules which weirdly had nothing to do with rank. I think it went all the way to rule 7 which was record of opponents even if you lost to that team.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Why not? It would give two teams that feel they should be in to prove it against the two teams from the Group of Five, farther down in the rankings.

Because the teams forced to play the G5 teams who 'earned' their way in by playing joke schedules are risking player injury just so these FCS-like schools can feel like they're playing real football.

 

[RollsTide]

That's my point. I'm talking about the G5 teams playing the two teams, #11 & 12 that are getting bumped out to defend their last two spots against the two top G5 teams.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

How about l find something else to watch and everyone else as well.

I have never in my life, seen any beautiful yet flawed sport do more to increase the flaws but demolished the beauty then college football has managed to do over the last five years or so.

It’s almost like whoever is making the decisions got a raging case of long Covid.

 

[CoolBreeze]

This board is a mess right now man.

 

[bamajas]

While I understand the reasoning behind including the two Group of Five teams, it really seems like it's not the best twelve teams. How about having two play your way in Wild card games? This would consist of the two Group of Five top two teams, playing the number 11 and 12th ranked teams. This year it would be James Madison at Notre Dame, and Tulane at BYU. The winner of each game moves into the final 12 playoff teams.

There’s got to be a hard reckoning at some point between the top tier and the lower tier. It’s just simply not the same sport

They’ve got to figure out something that avoids litigation that separates them from the top tier altogether

 

[BamaFan6462]

How about l find something else to watch and everyone else as well.

I have never in my life, seen any beautiful yet flawed sport do more to increase the flaws but demolished the beauty then college football has managed to do over the last five years or so.

It’s almost like whoever is making the decisions got a raging case of long Covid.

Or the France grandson that destroyed NASCAR is advising them.

 

[81usaf92]

Ive always said if we are going to have a plus 1 then lets do a 4 team final 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 with BCS rankings.

If we were going to do a true playoff system then 6-8 was the most we should do. Have a committee or have the computers I dont care. Just make it make sense.

The problem is that the committee was designed to do two things... 1) prevent BCS busters from rising above their station without very clear standards being met and 2) make sure that all the power conferences are represented most of the time. I think they did a phenomenal job until the inception of the 12 team playoff. I think at that moment the committee was always destined to be put into a weird position when you explicitly include G5 teams because the B1G decided to kill the PAC12. I think at that point it was always going to have some crazy playoff brought to you courtesy of the ACC.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

Please, no. I'd rather see the playoff go back to 4 teams before seeing it get larger.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

That's my point. I'm talking about the G5 teams playing the two teams, #11 & 12 that are getting bumped out to defend their last two spots against the two top G5 teams.

How about the G5 schools create their own playoffs because they don’t deserve to even sniff the CFP. “Inclusion” is a dumb reason to create a metric that forces you to slot in 2 teams ranked in the 20s. The freaking 20s, folks.

Everyone across the country that is mad that Bama and Miami got in are ignoring the real problem, the G5 stole 2 spots from more deserving teams.

Like, when in the history of college football rankings has anyone said, “man that 24th ranked team was robbed of a chance at a national championship?” Yea, never. Because they don’t deserve a shot.

I like the way Josh Pate said it tonight. “People arguing for inclusion have got to stop pretending that all 130 teams are playing the same sport, because they are not.” He said a 5-7 Auburn would be favored against everyone JMU played this year. It is just completely different levels of football, like the jump from AAA to the MLB.

This ain’t basketball, a G5 team is never going on a run and winning a national title. So this myth of inclusion is still not giving them a real shot at ever hoisting a trophy. Create a playoff just for them so they have a championship they can actually win. TV networks are desperate for sports right now, the money would be there for this.

It’s a bunch of crap that the #20 and #24 ranked teams get a seat at this table. 17 and 21 point under dogs in a playoff game. These are the teams the rest of the playoff field schedules as cupcakes, “payday games”, and they are in the playoffs.

What a joke.

 

[JayBama_in_PCOLA]

No more expansion. If anything, cut it to 8.

 

[arthurdawg]

How about the G5 schools create their own playoffs because they don’t deserve to even sniff the CFP. “Inclusion” is a dumb reason to create a metric that forces you to slot in 2 teams ranked in the 20s. The freaking 20s, folks.

Everyone across the country that is mad that Bama and Miami got in are ignoring the real problem, the G5 stole 2 spots from more deserving teams.

Like, when in the history of college football rankings has anyone said, “man that 24th ranked team was robbed of a chance at a national championship?” Yea, never. Because they don’t deserve a shot.

I like the way Josh Pate said it tonight. “People arguing for inclusion have got to stop pretending that all 130 teams are playing the same sport, because they are not.” He said a 5-7 Auburn would be favored against everyone JMU played this year. It is just completely different levels of football, like the jump from AAA to the MLB.

This ain’t basketball, a G5 team is never going on a run and winning a national title. So this myth of inclusion is still not giving them a real shot at ever hoisting a trophy. Create a playoff just for them so they have a championship they can actually win. TV networks are desperate for sports right now, the money would be there for this.

It’s a bunch of crap that the #20 and #24 ranked teams get a seat at this table. 17 and 21 point under dogs in a playoff game. These are the teams the rest of the playoff field schedules as cupcakes, “payday games”, and they are in the playoffs.

What a joke.

They have let the divisions become a ridiculous joke... They should stratify them better.

D1 - P4

D2 - G6
D3 - FCS
D4 - Current D2
D5 - Current D3 - No Scholarships


Make it realistic and make it fit. Make the requirements for D1 tough and not a sure thing.

And start saving up money for the lawsuits now!

 

[selmaborntidefan]

If you go back and watch the 1993 Sugar Bowl - and who wouldn't want to at this point - there is commentary by Keith Jackson, citing Miami head coach Dennis Erickson. The point of contention concerns a "college football playoff." Now keep in mind that Erickson began his head coaching career at Idaho, a then Division I-AA school, which had a playoff. Indeed, in his four years as head coach, they made the playoffs twice. Those appearances helped improve his pedigree so that he could move on to Wyoming, Wazzu, and Miami as the head coach.

Musing about the (now) FBS situation, Erickson was opposed to the traditional playoff model held in the lower divisions. We could theorize, of course, his issue was the fact he couldn't win one there but being an Independent (at the time) at Miami freed you up to win national championships. But even if we suspect that's an underlying reason, Erickson made another crucial point: a playoff does not guarantee the best team is going to win the championship. His stated reason? When his teams had participated in playoffs, the team that won the championship was the one who was luckiest in regards to not losing their best player(s) due to injury. In other words, it was more of a quest or death march than it was an arbiter of the best team. (Note: Keith was relaying what Erickson had told him since the point was always "but Florida State is playing the best ball at this time of year").

And now go look at the I-AA playoff:

1978 - 4 teams (3 regional reps and one at large selection)
1981 - 8 teams
1982 - 12 teams
1986 - 16 teams
2010 - 20 teams
2013 - 24 teams (except for the Covid year)

They quadrupled the size in only 8 years.

And what actually happens as you increase access for teams?


You get a dominant champion like North Dakota State.

I don't think FBS will allow an Ohio State to win the title 10 times in 14 years or whatever, but the more they can qualify even with 2-3 losses, the more they can win, too.

 

[bamamc1]

While I understand the reasoning behind including the two Group of Five teams, it really seems like it's not the best twelve teams. How about having two play your way in Wild card games? This would consist of the two Group of Five top two teams, playing the number 11 and 12th ranked teams. This year it would be James Madison at Notre Dame, and Tulane at BYU. The winner of each game moves into the final 12 playoff teams.

There should never be two group of 5 teams.

 

[bamadwain]

Alabama and Georgia should never have been playing Saturday, SEC should have the 3rdvs6th and 4thvs5th to decide who goes to the playoffs, and the playoffs should be 16 teams with 1vs16,2vs15,3vs14etc.... with no buys

 

[CrimsonNagus]

I don't think FBS will allow an Ohio State to win the title 10 times in 14 years or whatever, but the more they can qualify even with 2-3 losses, the more they can win, too.

Yep. If this 12-team format were around for Saban's entire tenure at Bama, he would have probably won 2-3 more championships. 2008, 2013, 2019, and 2022 teams could have definitely made a run in a 12-team playoff. 2010 had the talent to make a run, but with 3 losses still might have been left out. So Bama would have had 4 more shots at a title, maybe 5.

The JMUs and Tulanes are never going to win 5 straight against the top dogs of FBS to win a title. It's just not gonna happen. The "letting them in at least gives them a shot" crowd is misguided. It's a myth. It's the concept of a shot. It's not real.