2016 Election - Trump: How Did Trump Really Win the Presidency?

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our country is not in decline.

and as i have said on here many times, i believe that clinton will do a fine job as president if she is elected.
It is in decline. The spiritual and moral decline continues at an accelerated rate. The country is more divided than any time since the 19th century. Many laws, especially immigration, are ignored, contributing to an attitude of lawlessness, as well as allowing millions of illegal aliens to invade the country. We've added more to our indebtedness than almost all other admins combined - with nothing to show for it. We have the slowest economic recovery since the 20s even with the massive debt increase. Greatly increased the size of gov't and increased salaries. We are considered a weak, stupid, unreliable joke by our allies, as well as our enemies. They snicker. It is Jimmy Carter times 2. The deceitful and costly Iranian deal, Obamacare an unmitigated disaster, on and on... Clinton is even more incompetent than Obama and far more personally corrupt.
 

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I'm involved in rental property ownership (my hands are really really small). My guess is that Trump pays no federal income tax. It's possible that he even gets tax credits for some of his developements. I'm not sure if his tax returns would show his business relationships with all kinds of unsavory people and nations. Probably will.

I think the media is letting Trump get away with lie after lie. God help us if he gets elected.
Is Jeffrey Epstein unsavory?
How about Anthony Weiner?
How about Bill Ayers?

We don't usually care about the company that politicians keep

Is Trump hiding anything more critical than Hillary?

Perhaps his tax return was in Hillary's inbox?

Maybe that's what he should say...."dang Hillary, I emailed it to you....didn't you get it?"
 

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It is in decline. The spiritual and moral decline continues at an accelerated rate. The country is more divided than any time since the 19th century. Many laws, especially immigration, are ignored, contributing to an attitude of lawlessness, as well as allowing millions of illegal aliens to invade the country. We've added more to our indebtedness than almost all other admins combined - with nothing to show for it. We have the slowest economic recovery since the 20s even with the massive debt increase. Greatly increased the size of gov't and increased salaries. We are considered a weak, stupid, unreliable joke by our allies, as well as our enemies. They snicker. It is Jimmy Carter times 2. The deceitful and costly Iranian deal, Obamacare an unmitigated disaster, on and on... Clinton is even more incompetent than Obama and far more personally corrupt.
well, i consider myself blessed that i don't live in such a god-forsaken hell-hole.
 

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well, i consider myself blessed that i don't live in such a god-forsaken hell-hole.
And here I thought that the number of uninsured is the lowest it's ever been, the unemployment rate has dropped beyond even the most ambitious goals from 4 years ago, and the median American income is up across the board.
 

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And here I thought that the number of uninsured is the lowest it's ever been, the unemployment rate has dropped beyond even the most ambitious goals from 4 years ago, and the median American income is up across the board.


I mostly just wanted to use this image. But I don't believe the employment situation is nearly as rosey as the Obama administration likes to paint.
 

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And here I thought that the number of uninsured is the lowest it's ever been, the unemployment rate has dropped beyond even the most ambitious goals from 4 years ago, and the median American income is up across the board.
obama is obviously making up those numbers so the sheeple won't realize that the water in the pot is slowly being heated to boiling.
 

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obama is obviously making up those numbers so the sheeple won't realize that the water in the pot is slowly being heated to boiling.
While I agree the state of the union is pretty good right now (and seems to be getting better), I hesitate parading numbers like unemployment when they're obviously not representative of the real rate. I'm happy that many of my neighbors that struggled finding jobs a few years ago are working again - it's obviously improved - but we can't forget that there are millions and millions of unemployed who are no longer factored into the UE rate.
 

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I mostly just wanted to use this image. But I don't believe the employment situation is nearly as rosey as the Obama administration likes to paint.
I know for fact that it is not. This administration is assuming because people aren't collecting unemployment that they have a job and are working full time. There are still a lot of people unemployed or under-employed.
 

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While I agree the state of the union is pretty good right now (and seems to be getting better), I hesitate parading numbers like unemployment when they're obviously not representative of the real rate. I'm happy that many of my neighbors that struggled finding jobs a few years ago are working again - it's obviously improved - but we can't forget that there are millions and millions of unemployed who are no longer factored into the UE rate.
maybe, but those numbers do not portend disaster, chaos, etc like they are so often portrayed on this board and in the broader discussion.

eta: charmin's point is that there are lots of indicators pointing in the right direction and continuing in that direction.
 
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I know for fact that it is not. This administration is assuming because people aren't collecting unemployment that they have a job and are working full time. There are still a lot of people unemployed or under-employed.
from the bls website

Unemployment
Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work. Persons who were not working and were waiting to be recalled to a job from which they had been temporarily laid off are also included as unemployed. Receiving benefits from the Unemployment Insurance (UI) program has no bearing on whether a person is classified as unemployed.

The unemployment rate represents the number unemployed as a percent of the labor force. Unemployment data also are available by demographic characteristics. See also Labor force and Employment.
 

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maybe, but those numbers do not portend disaster, chaos, etc like they are so often portrayed on this board and in the broader discussion.

eta: charmin's point is that there are lots of indicators pointing in the right direction and continuing in that direction.
Good point - when people start with he doom and gloom I ask them - do you feel more insulated from economic disaster today than seven years ago? Five years ago? Last year?

The question is generally answered via lots of generalities and hand waving.
 

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And here I thought that the number of uninsured is the lowest it's ever been, the unemployment rate has dropped beyond even the most ambitious goals from 4 years ago, and the median American income is up across the board.
And shouldn't we expect the following out of our fabulous economy?

- The labor participation rate should be higher than it's ever been.
- Food stamp and welfare utilization should be lower than they've ever been.
- Subsidized marketplace health insurance premiums should be rapidly declining.
- Medicaid participation should be lower than it's ever been.

Et cetera, et cetera...

Edit: While increasing government dependency may fend off revolution (state of the union), it does indicate a diseased country to the extent one believes that being able to take care of yourself and your family without assistance is a healthy state.
 
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And shouldn't we expect the following out of our fabulous economy?

- The labor participation rate should be higher than it's ever been.
- Food stamp and welfare utilization should be lower than they've ever been.
- Subsidized marketplace health insurance premiums should be rapidly declining.
- Medicaid participation should be lower than it's ever been.

Et cetera, et cetera...

Edit: While increasing government dependency may fend off revolution (state of the union), it does indicate a diseased country to the extent one believes that being able to take care of yourself and your family without assistance is a healthy state.
And you call that diseased??
 

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And you call that diseased??
Yes, based on my entire statement, not just the highlighted portion.

Providing another wording for what I said:

If you believe self-sufficiency is a desired state, then increasing dependency on the government would be indicative of a diseased country.
 

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While I agree the state of the union is pretty good right now (and seems to be getting better), I hesitate parading numbers like unemployment when they're obviously not representative of the real rate. I'm happy that many of my neighbors that struggled finding jobs a few years ago are working again - it's obviously improved - but we can't forget that there are millions and millions of unemployed who are no longer factored into the UE rate.
If by state of the Union you mean economically, some numbers are misleading. The labor participation rate is the lowest since the 70s. But the overriding factor is that what prosperity we do have is dependent on debt. Sure, someone who owes $5 mil, with little means and no will to repay, can continue the appearance of prosperity as long as they can find someone to loan them the money to support it. That's all we're doing. It's the fault of many admins not just this one, though this one has tripled down on the borrowing. The borrowing continues unabated but it cannot be sustained. We are the greatest debtor nation in the history of the world. We don't even have much infrastructure or military or anything tangible to show for the borrowing. Appearances are deceiving.

The U.S. will not be able to enjoy 2 or 3 generations of socialism like Europe. We don't have someone else to undertake almost all of our military expense and uplift our economy by the prosperity of
their free enterprise system.

More troubling is the lawless attitude and sense of hopelessness engendered by the blatant disregard for the law by this admin. Others have been guilty too, e.g., Bush, but not this brazen.

Even worse is the ever increasing deep divide between various groups, mostly along racial lines. Also, between blacks and the police. Whether for political gain or a misguided desire for revenge or something else, it is harmful and dangerous.

The national media's lack of integrity and even-handedness makes addressing these problems in an honest way impossible.

But the ultimate problem has little to do with this admin or even the media - it is spiritual and thus results in further moral decline. Continuing departure from the true God inevitably results in the increase of cowardice, greed, deceit, malice, lust and perversion, selfishness, violence, cruelty, etc. I.e., immoral behavior. All these are symptoms we see. Thus we have the candidates we do - a reflection of the society they represent.

But the most important truth remains, individual salvation is still offered to all by God through Jesus Christ, His Son.
 

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Today's discussion centering around how the country is doing now....vs. previous administrations, for example....makes me wonder.....is there an annual report card issued which grades various performance aspects of the nation?

Something that is not spun by politics?

Something that is grounded by facts and figures?

Something that is concise and easy to read (for "bottom line" persons such as myself)?

Example would be:

Employment/Jobs: B
Economy: C
National Security/terrorism: C
Health care: C
Middle East: D
Poverty/Homelessness: c
Ethics and morals: D
Immigration: C

The grades given above were just for example.

We all received report cards growing up.......why not give the nation a report card?
 
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