2016 Election - Trump: How Did Trump Really Win the Presidency?

[bamacon]

Resorting to calling everyone who supported Trump a racist is the easy way out. It is usually a conversation killer. It sure doesn't make an argument for your side. It also indicates that you are unwilling to listen to the opposing argument. I said before that charges of racism was fuel to Trump's fire and I still believe that. The more you say it the stronger he gets. Stop the lazy name calling and make a persuasive argument.

So much agreement with the fuel for Trump analogy. I'll add all the PC blasting was fuel as well. We're down to defending women's bathrooms for goodness sake. People are fed and this was the beginning of the pushback. They ain't seen nothing yet.


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[BamaInBham]

I don't think I addressed this:

The reason this result surprised the media was because they consistently marginalize the importance of the white voting bloc. And to be fair, the DNC bought what the media was selling which is why this result went against them despite going up against one of the most unqualified, boorish, and generally undignified candidates imaginable. He was the only one speaking a language that appeals to the economic victimization that lower to middle class whites feel...and this was a powerful message that cracked a Democrat Midwest bloc thought to be untouchable by the GOP; giving Trump the EC win despite a popular loss.

The problem with the modern Democratic Party is they are unwilling to address economics in progressive liberal terms. Well, they had their guy to do just that but even after he exposed their Midwest weakness in Michigan...they railroaded him. The DNC is unwilling to address victimization that doesn't exist within a racial/gender/religious context. Clinton only really talked about the glass ceiling all the while the average middle class person is feeling the pressures of an economy that seems to be leaving them in the dust.

The problem for the Dems is they are going to attack that pressure - correctly - by identifying the problem as unprecedented wealth redistribution towards the top earners and the nearly 40-year conservative attack on funding the public sector, education, and other things that can help put the middle class on better footing. They don't want to be labeled commies because they still have PTSD of the Solid South leaving them in 1968 or something. But my point is: who cares? Let the Alabamian call you a commie, you weren't getting their vote anyway. If you get every major population state and the more liberally receptive white working class midwest, you win your election this year and probably for a long time going forward.

Trump winning was a botched job by the DNC more than a strike of genius by the GOP and Trump. His message was the absolute right tool to break a weakness in the DNC's Midwest wall but they had the candidate to avoid it but they submarined him.

You are right in that it was certainly no stroke of genius on the part of the GOP. OTOH, Trump did know many of the right issues to embrace, but it didn't take a genius to know them. IMO, the issue that broke the ice was illegal immigration, though economics, as always, was a major issue. In fact, several issues, including illegal immigration, were important, at least partly, because of their economic effect. But economics was hardly the only significant issue as has been noted by many in this thread. Many of the losers will try to dismiss the loss by insisting that the reasons were superficial but they were primarily serious.

Socialism cannot be the answer to any economic woes. It may sound good in a lab, but it NEVER works in real life because it ignores human nature. The only reason it has seemed to work briefly in Europe is because the capitalistic U.S. has relieved them of the massive cost of defense and has fueled the world, and especially the European, economy, by its now waning capitalist vigor. More gov't spending is not the solution, it simply exacerbates the problems. But capitalism and democracy only work with a relatively righteous and therefore, reasonable, people. We are no longer either.

It appears we now have a brief respite from the headlong run into socialism born out of a misunderstanding of human nature, as well as cowardice and laziness, etc., but the trend is downward. We have become so blind that a socialist almost became the Dem nominee. The ultimate problem is not political or social but spiritual.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Racism has nothing to do with Trump winning.

It was fear of economic failure, fatigue from supporting the weight of the entire nation on the backs of the middle class, and frustration of being ignored by our leaders during tough times.

Trump voters don't want attention....they want to be left alone.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

I don't think she, or all Trump supporters are racists, but they certainly voted for one

Hillary and Obama are the racists.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

Jon, you are aware that Evolution is a theory, correct? Even your God of Evolution said until the missing lick was found it is ONLY a theory.

 

[Jon]

Jon, you are aware that Evolution is a theory, correct? Even your God of Evolution said until the missing lick was found it is ONLY a theory.

LOL, so is gravity. How about you climb up on your roof and show us why its "only a theory" and step off?

 

[Jon]

Clinton actually did address this very issue once, in her most infamous of all speeches, the one about putting coal miners out of work. Her intended message that day was not supposed to say they'd be out of work but to say they would not be left behind. Instead, she stuck a giant foot in her mouth and it made it almost impossible for her to raise the issue again without getting hammered.

Coal is dying

"clean coal" is mostly a joke, though the energy potential there is strong enough where I do believe the private sector should keep working on it, it doesn't need government welfare to keep it up.

at one point Buggy Whip manufacturing was a huge industry, it no longer is. I'm sure that in elections in the 20's and 30's what do with the buggy whip manufacturing employees concerned a lot of people. Am I concerned for the miners? Of course, they are people and losing their jobs is sad but it is what it is. Are Republicans really suggesting that we prop up this failing industry with welfare? When does it end?

the coal miners will be out of work in the next 10-20 years no matter what the Government does, to think anything else is whistling past the graveyard. The cost to produce energy through cleaner and newer technologies has been hockey sticking down and even without the current subsidies will continue to do so. In a few years the cost per KWH for Solar will make render this entire discussion moot, She should have come right out and said it. This country needs a bit of pragmatic reality and the people of West Virginia (where my Dad's side of the family left in the 1920's to get out of the mines) need to wake up and realize they are clinging to a dead technology

 

[Jon]

Racism has nothing to do with Trump winning.

It was fear of economic failure, fatigue from supporting the weight of the entire nation on the backs of the middle class, and frustration of being ignored by our leaders during tough times.

Trump voters don't want attention....they want to be left alone.

which is exactly why the KKK officially endorsed him click here

and they do certainly seem a bit happy about the results

 

[bama_wayne1]

I don't think she, or all Trump supporters are racists, but they certainly voted for one

So far I haven't seen any evidence to back that up. I have heard people bemoaning it but I haven't seen the proof. Do you have any evidence to share?

 

[Bamaro]

I never bought into the narrative that Trump is a raciest. Most racists probably supported him (and he did little to dissuade them) but that doesn't make him or most of his supporters racist. Just like he isn't anti Hispanic. He's just opposed to them or any others coming here illegally.

 

[bama_wayne1]

Coal is dying

"clean coal" is mostly a joke, though the energy potential there is strong enough where I do believe the private sector should keep working on it, it doesn't need government welfare to keep it up.

at one point Buggy Whip manufacturing was a huge industry, it no longer is. I'm sure that in elections in the 20's and 30's what do with the buggy whip manufacturing employees concerned a lot of people. Am I concerned for the miners? Of course, they are people and losing their jobs is sad but it is what it is. Are Republicans really suggesting that we prop up this failing industry with welfare? When does it end?

the coal miners will be out of work in the next 10-20 years no matter what the Government does, to think anything else is whistling past the graveyard. The cost to produce energy through cleaner and newer technologies has been hockey sticking down and even without the current subsidies will continue to do so. In a few years the cost per KWH for Solar will make render this entire discussion moot, She should have come right out and said it. This country needs a bit of pragmatic reality and the people of West Virginia (where my Dad's side of the family left in the 1920's to get out of the mines) need to wake up and realize they are clinging to a dead technology

Coal just got cpr.

 

[Jon]

So far I haven't seen any evidence to back that up. I have heard people bemoaning it but I haven't seen the proof. Do you have any evidence to share?

I think when he called Mexicans rapists, said "need a jew to do your books" and such things showed me what he is.

 

[bama_wayne1]

I think when he called Mexicans rapists, said "need a jew to do your books" and such things showed me what he is.

There is proof that there were Mexicans doing that to their own people they were bringing them across. I never heard him say the thing about your books. Oh and would you also call all the black people that failed to support Clinton racists? After all they supported the current POTUS that had most of the same attributes other than skin color...and they turned out to vote for him.

 

[crimsonaudio]

which is exactly why the KKK officially endorsed him

Wait - are you suggesting that most of his supporters are KKK members? Or they are racists even if they aren't?

Maybe I'm misreading you, but just because a handful of crazies endorses someone doesn't explain why they won an election...

 

[CajunCrimson]

I think when he called Mexicans rapists, said "need a jew to do your books" and such things showed me what he is.

When you call Trump supporters racists.....aren't you doing the same thing? Does that show us what you are too?

 

[CajunCrimson]

Jon, you are aware that Evolution is a theory, correct? Even your God of Evolution said until the missing lick was found it is ONLY a theory.

Found the missing lick for you

 

[Jon]

There is proof that there were Mexicans doing that to their own people they were bringing them across. I never heard him say the thing about your books. Oh and would you also call all the black people that failed to support Clinton racists? After all they supported the current POTUS that had most of the same attributes other than skin color...and they turned out to vote for him.

Can't link the Article here because our elected by the Christian Right president elect drops far, far too many f-bombs for tide fans, but you could google this if you choose

"Donald Trump Was Once Sued By Justice Department For Not Renting To Blacks"

But Trump has been called out several times for racial insensitivity by former co-workers and civil rights activists. In 1991, Trump was accused of making racial slurs against black people in a book written by John R. O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, called “Trumped!” O’Donnell wrote that Trump once said, in reference to a black accountant at Trump Plaza, “laziness is a trait in blacks.” He also told O’Donnell: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee but he didn’t deny allegations made in the book during an interview with Playboy magazine in 1999:

and no I would not make those claims

 

[Jon]

When you call Trump supporters racists.....aren't you doing the same thing? Does that show us what you are too?

reading comprehension

and again you've told me numerous times that you don't read or block my posts so why is this the 2nd time I've said this to you in a month?

reading comprehension, I never said that All of Trumps supporter are racists, never even implied it, mostly because I know it not to be true. I said, and I will maintain that Trump is a racist but I do not think all his supporters are. But for fun I will say many of them are and if you could some how figure out exactly who are racists and how they voted I'd put my house on the line in a bet of him winning that particular voting block by a huge margin

 

[Bazza]

I never bought into the narrative that Trump is a raciest. Most racists probably supported him (and he did little to dissuade them) but that doesn't make him or most of his supporters racist. Just like he isn't anti Hispanic. He's just opposed to them or any others coming here illegally.

Great post, Bamaro.....if this is the best the losing liberals can come up with.....it's very weak!

BTW...how about our new First Lady?

 

[92tide]

which is exactly why the KKK officially endorsed him click here

and they do certainly seem a bit happy about the results

i guess the proof will be in the pudding