How good is Mac Jones? (comparison to Tagovailoa and Hurts)

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Totally agree. I do feel that MJ at 6'3" does have more opportunity to see the field well when he has a fairly clean pocket. In the Auburn game last year he made a late throw to Ruggs for around thirty yards on a rope that very few Alabama QB'S would make. Of course there were the two mistakes that cost the game but with experience he has a chance to put together a tremendous season. With this season's all SEC gauntlet it is going to be an amazing feat for any team to go 10-0.
You are right on many perspectives. A good QB plays to their strengths and minimizes their weaknesses -- with the help of the QB coach. MJ is not a great athlete from the waist down...he does not pose a threat as a runner like JH. But he is a great QB from the waist up...particularly his accuracy and mind. He reminds me of a young Tom Brady...excited for him to keep developing his ability to focus in difficult situations.

And yes, I don't expect any team to go 10-0 either...
 
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Clearly they decided that Mac couldn't beat you in the air if they took away Najee. And then they refused to believe what they were seeing, probably because of the interception, and kept playing that way.
Jimbo isn't stupid and I can reasonably see a coach getting burnt on two bombs. But you combine the two long td's with other throws Jones made and it was obvious he wasn't a fluke. Which made what Jimbo and staff continued to do even more head scratching.
 

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Jimbo isn't stupid and I can reasonably see a coach getting burnt on two bombs. But you combine the two long td's with other throws Jones made and it was obvious he wasn't a fluke. Which made what Jimbo and staff continued to do even more head scratching.
Texas and Baylor fans will tell you that your IQ drops by ⅓ when you move to College Station. Seriously, did they watch any film on MJ? He made every pass in the book against AU, UM and Missouri...Other than 1 fluke play that resulted in an int his passing was flawless. Their stubbornness bordered on stupidity.
 
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I was texting a good friend of mine who is an aTm alum and passionate football fan. I asked him how many more 75+ yard touchdown passes is Jones going to have to throw before Jimbo moves his safeties back. He never responded. My guess is he knocked several holes in his wall.
It was the same with LSU against Mississippi St. the week before. Some coaches get stubborn and refuse to change. UGA's defense will provide us more of a challenge in a few weeks. Ole Miss's offense will give us some challenges this week, so I hope we are tuned up nicely after that. Playing a league game every week is going to really challenge every team.
 
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Texas and Baylor fans will tell you that your IQ drops by ⅓ when you move to College Station. Seriously, did they watch any film on MJ? He made every pass in the book against AU, UM and Missouri...Other than 1 fluke play that resulted in an int his passing was flawless. Their stubbornness bordered on stupidity.
I think Gary Danielson was pointing this out without coming out and saying it. He made several commits regarding the safeties continuing to play up throughout the game. If we were sitting in a bar watching the game with Gary his comment would be more like "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING JIMBO?!?!"
 
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He's not as good as Tua. Hopefully he's more durable. But he's not as good as Tua.
If you mean as a passer - totally agree. Tua is the best pure passer I have ever seen at any level. But if you are talking about other things, like reading defenses, the Mac is better. I was stunned last year to read how little Tua really understood about reading defenses. Because of the RPO scheme that you run, he had to make one or two pre-snap reads and then throw the ball. If the pre-snap reads were disguised, he had to let the play develop and just look for an open guy. He did not understand route trees or complicated defensive coverages at all. But his arm talent was so extraordinary that he still put up amazing stats.
 
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FWIW, it costs you nothing to be excited. Have fun with it.
I get excited, but experience through observation unfortunately tells me to pump the brakes right now. I'm also not very good at manufacturing insincere excitement.

This is offense is very, very dangerous, regardless of the two teams we've played. However, the offense doesn't exist in a vacuum either. I also know that though our talent is off the charts. It's not so off the charts that Clemson and Georgia cannot make scoring a lot harder than what Mizzo and aTm did. Which is why I'm really hoping to see some improvements made on things I'm seeing on defense. We can get away with certain things in the overwhelming majority of our regular season games. However, they don't give out championship trophies after regular season games and playoff games aren't three game series. They are one's and done's.
 
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I get excited, but experience through observation unfortunately tells me to pump the brakes right now. I'm also not very good at manufacturing insincere excitement.

This is offense is very, very dangerous, regardless of the two teams we've played. However, the offense doesn't exist in a vacuum either. I also know that though our talent is off the charts. It's not so off the charts that Clemson and Georgia cannot make scoring a lot harder than what Mizzo and aTm has. Which is why I'm really hoping to see some improvements made on things I'm seeing on defense. We can get away with certain things in the overwhelming majority of our regular season games. However, they don't give out championship trophies after regular season games and playoff games aren't three game series. They are one's and done's.
I want to see your run defense tested. It has been great the first two games. If it holds up as well against teams with better running attacks, I think you will win out. aTm has a great o-line and you stuffed their run game. But they don't have a great RB. That is why they had to move Smith from receiver to RB. And Mizzou never even got their running game going.

Stop the run, pressure the QB and hope the secondary improves.
 

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I want to see your run defense tested. It has been great the first two games. If it holds up as well against teams with better running attacks, I think you will win out. aTm has a great o-line and you stuffed their run game. But they don't have a great RB. That is why they had to move Smith from receiver to RB. And Mizzou never even got their running game going.

Stop the run, pressure the QB and hope the secondary improves.
The run defense doesn't bother me as much as the breakdowns I'm seeing in the passing game. It appears, whether it is the DC, the players or both. that we make quicker and more efficient adjustments to the run game than the passing. The three problems that I THINK I'm seeing are:

1. We're consistently 1 1/2 steps late on getting to the QB. Why?

2. We're getting beat down the seam and over the middle often and more often than not its on 3rd downs

3. Busted coverage

The first two happen more often than the third. But you don't have to have the same number of breakdowns in the third for it to be just as damaging as the others. They all can be back breakers, especially when you're seeing all three happen in the same game.
 

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Against Mond, #1 was intentional. It was a "mush rush" tactic, with little blitzing because Mond is much more likely to hurt you with his legs than his arm. #2 has been a problem ever since Saban came to Bama. It's a known weakness in his schemes. #3 is, IMO, mainly a factor of having so much inexperience in the back...
 

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If you mean as a passer - totally agree. Tua is the best pure passer I have ever seen at any level. But if you are talking about other things, like reading defenses, the Mac is better. I was stunned last year to read how little Tua really understood about reading defenses. Because of the RPO scheme that you run, he had to make one or two pre-snap reads and then throw the ball. If the pre-snap reads were disguised, he had to let the play develop and just look for an open guy. He did not understand route trees or complicated defensive coverages at all. But his arm talent was so extraordinary that he still put up amazing stats.
Tua's inability to adjust if the pre-snaps reads weren't there were the biggest reason Clemson did what they did to him. His ability to throw so well gave him the chance to make some plays, but overall Clemson dissected him, that pick six in the 1st quarter most notably. And when we got in the red zone, where reading a defense is more necessary, he couldn't do it.

He didn't play against that type of defense last season, so wasn't as noticeable.

Tua also didn't have that ability to feel the pressure and step up.....Mac is very good at that and I think that's the real game changer here. Tua - best passer, Jalen - best runner, Mac - best at reading and stepping up in pocket. That alone should keep him from catastrophic injury, I hope, but it also lets him read the play in a way Tua and Jalen couldn't really do.

Imagine if Tua learns to do that with the Dolphins....look out, he'd be unstoppable.
 

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Against Mond, #1 was intentional. It was a "mush rush" tactic, with little blitzing because Mond is much more likely to hurt you with his legs than his arm. #2 has been a problem ever since Saban came to Bama. It's a known weakness in his schemes. #3 is, IMO, mainly a factor of having so much inexperience in the back...
If I remember correctly, I think it was Wright...early, had a busted coverage....then later on baits Mond into a pick 6.

I think with the inexperience in the secondary we will continue to see busted coverages....but just from raw talent we will also see exceptional plays.
 

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He's not as good as Tua. Hopefully he's more durable. But he's not as good as Tua.
You're making a generic assessment that doesn't give to an actual comparison of the two. There are things that Jones does that are superior to Tua and the more you watch Jones it becomes very obvious . One of the most important things Jones does that is FAAAAAR superior and more helpful to his team is the ability to create more time in the pocket with subtle side steps that extend the play without cutting off half the field by rolling out too wide. I watched him do it to perfection in the bowl game against Michigan and have watched him do it several times just in the first two games. He also has the patience and maturity to not try and do too much when there's nothing there. Where as Tua had a bad habit of keeping an already dead play alive which if I remember correctly is how his two major injuries happened. I could list more but they are different quarterbacks with different strengths. But Jones does things that are superior to Tua and from what I've seen so far, can flip a scoreboard just as quick.
 
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Here are each players stats through their first six games:
Jones: 72.5% completions, 1,893 total yards, 19 total touchdowns, 3 interceptions
Tagovailoa: 75% completions, 1,617 total yards, 20 total touchdowns, 0 interceptions
Hurts: 64.3% completions, 1,692 total yards, 14 total touchdowns, 2 interceptions

The man can ball! RTR
Great stats. Even more impressive when put into context of the competition faced.

Tua's first six games were: Lousiville, Ark State, Ole Miss, A&M, Louisiana and Arkansas.

Mac's first six: Arkansas, W. Carolina, Auburn, Michigan, Missouri and A&M.

I would say the competition faced by Mac was a bit better but realize that Tua did not play all 4 quarters due to large leads.
 

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Against Mond, #1 was intentional. It was a "mush rush" tactic, with little blitzing because Mond is much more likely to hurt you with his legs than his arm. #2 has been a problem ever since Saban came to Bama. It's a known weakness in his schemes. #3 is, IMO, mainly a factor of having so much inexperience in the back...
I'm not talking about the down linemen. I figured we'd use a mush rush approach with them. But when we did send blitzes by non down linemen they were consistently 1 1/2 steps late, even when they were untouched. Not sure if this was due to lining up a few steps too deep, not anticipating/timing the snap well enough or Mond was just quicker at recognizes his hot read.

I will say this though, the talent level from a physical standpoint of the defense is off the charts. Will Anderson is going to get to a point in his maturity where he will have the "Derrick Thomas" factor in games. Completely wreck an offense.
 

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You're making a generic assessment that doesn't give to an actual comparison of the two. There are things that Jones does that are superior to Tua and the more you watch Jones it becomes very obvious . One of the most important things Jones does that is FAAAAAR superior and more helpful to his team is the ability to create more time in the pocket and extend the play without cutting off half the field by rolling out too wide. I watched him do it to perfection in the bowl game against Michigan and have watched him do it several times just in the first two games. He also has the patience and maturity to not try and do too much when there's nothing there. Where as Tua had a bad habit of keeping an already dead play alive which if I remember correctly is how his two major injuries happened. I could list more but they are different quarterbacks with different strengths. But Jones does things that are superior to Tua and from what I've seen so far, can flip a scoreboard just as good and just as quick.
Jones is more of the in between of AJ and Tua.
 

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