How Houston is Fighting Homelessness - and Winning

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This week I had new husband and wife patients who recently moved to Milan from the Tumwater, Washington area. I asked why they left and both responded they didn't like the politics in the area. Both also complained about the homeless situation in Seattle and blamed it on decriminalization of drugs and entitlements.

This morning I came across this OpEd in the NYT which tells how Houston has reduced it's homeless population in the last 12 years by 60 percent.

So what is Houston’s secret?

There were arguably three elements. First, the city had strong political leaders who herded nonprofits so that they worked in unison rather than competing. Second, Houston’s lack of regulation makes it easy, quick and cheap to build new apartments: Building a small one-bedroom can cost less than $200,000, while Los Angeles spent as much as $837,000 per apartment for people who were homeless. Third, Houston focused less on general help, such as handing out jackets or providing counseling, and more on moving people into apartments and providing ongoing care to keep them housed.
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This week I had new husband and wife patients who recently moved to Milan from the Tumwater, Washington area. I asked why they left and both responded they didn't like the politics in the area. Both also complained about the homeless situation in Seattle and blamed it on decriminalization of drugs and entitlements.

This morning I came across this OpEd in the NYT which tells how Houston has reduced it's homeless population in the last 12 years by 60 percent.



Houston Homeless Program
Imagine a lack of stifling regulations that allow the flexibility to solve problems. Just another example of how government often makes things worse. We have spent trillions on Great Society programs and the poverty rate is almost exactly the same all these years later. Money well spent.
 
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Imagine a lack of stifling regulations that allow the flexibility to solve problems. Just another example of how government often makes things worse. We have spent trillions on Great Society programs and the poverty rate is almost exactly the same all these years later. Money well spent.
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This week I had new husband and wife patients who recently moved to Milan from the Tumwater, Washington area. I asked why they left and both responded they didn't like the politics in the area. Both also complained about the homeless situation in Seattle and blamed it on decriminalization of drugs and entitlements.

This morning I came across this OpEd in the NYT which tells how Houston has reduced it's homeless population in the last 12 years by 60 percent.



Houston Homeless Program
I think it was mentioned in another thread about how Houston's homeless population is notably below other large cities, and per capita not egregious in the whole.
 

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Imagine a lack of stifling regulations that allow the flexibility to solve problems. Just another example of how government often makes things worse. We have spent trillions on Great Society programs and the poverty rate is almost exactly the same all these years later. Money well spent.
Which regulations are you calling stifling? Building codes, OSHA, ....?

I'm all for minimal regulations, but with no regulations we would have child labor, more work injuries, doors falling off airplanes, etc.

Which Great Society programs would you like to see changed or eliminated?

I don't know if you ever read the HCR letters. She is a historian and a lot of her letters address modern day issues from a historical perspective. She's about as left leaning as I am, and a Biden supporter, so I don't think you would enjoy the letters on a day to day basis, but the next time she addresses work place issues from a historical perspective, I'll let you know. Some of them are pretty eye opening.
 
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Imagine a lack of stifling regulations that allow the flexibility to solve problems. Just another example of how government often makes things worse. We have spent trillions on Great Society programs and the poverty rate is almost exactly the same all these years later. Money well spent.
Here is a wiki link to the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire. It is events like these which necessitate regulation of business.

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Here's some first hand examples from more recently than 100+ years ago about how regulation unnecessarily drives up the cost of housing to the point where there is a vast shortage of housing for the lower socioeconomic class.

When I worked for a national homebuilder we built the whole range of houses, from mansions to starter homes. The greatest difficulty was building low cost, basic homes due to government regulations. We had to deal with density restrictions, which raised the cost of each individual unit. We had to deal with a variety of per unit fees, which raised the cost of each individual unit, We were mandated to have a wide range of amenities (e.g. pools, clubhouses, etc.), which raised the cost of each individual unit. We were mandated to have upscale appliances, which raised the cost of each individual unit. We had to install upgraded trim work, which raised the cost of each individual unit. And then because the cost of low end housing became so expensive as to be out of reach of the target market, the local government required 30-50% of the units to be sold at cost. To make the deal work, the cost of the "market rate" homes had to shoulder all that burden and were now well over $100k more expensive than they should have been. The numbers didn't work by a long shot, so nothing was built. Total waste of time.

So, that's when the government steps in a foots the bill. That's how you force the taxpayers to spend more than $800k on a housing unit for the homeless.
 

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Not saying you shouldn't have regulations. I'm saying you can go too far with them and hinder growth and limit solutions for no other reason than stupidity.
OK, so it's a line drawing game. I doubt anyone wants stupid regulations.

I don't doubt that there may be some stupid regulation since I'm not aware of them all. However, I will say that I haven't found any regulations in dentistry that I thought were stupid. They're all there to try to safeguard the public.
 

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OK, so it's a line drawing game. I doubt anyone wants stupid regulations.

I don't doubt that there may be some stupid regulation since I'm not aware of them all. However, I will say that I haven't found any regulations in dentistry that I thought were stupid. They're all there to try to safeguard the public.
You underestimate the stupidity of the average person. Go to a large urban area and try to build something. It is incredibly time consuming and the hoops you jump through seem to never end. I Iive in a pretty rural area. I'm involved in a pretty big construction project for our area. We got approval for everything we were doing, and worked closely with the city manager to make sure everything was good to go. He resigns and takes another position. The new guy totally undoes everything he had told us and made us go through the planning and zoning boards again. It cost us thousands of dollars for them to tell us we needed to add one tree to the landscape plan. We had to pay the boards for the privilege of meeting with them. We argued we already had approval, but they wouldn't hear it. We asked if everything the previous guy did was null and void or if we were just special?

Here is what California is dealing with.




A common thread through all of it is the length of the zoning and regulatory process. Low income housing has to jump through enormous hoops and deal with multiple government agencies from local, state, and federal level. Projects sit for years waiting for approval and financing from these agencies. That's the stuff I'm talking about.
 

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I doubt anyone wants stupid regulations.
A lot of people want stupid regulations. Politicians love it; it's what they do. Their fan boys cheer. Look at my list above of stupid (which equals costly) regulations in the homebuilding industry. Look anywhere (primarily urban areas) where someone wants to build something. Rest assured that people who have no legitimate interest in the project will have their fingers in the deals causing massive delays and costs. How did the per unit cost for homeless housing get over $800k?
 

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Shipping containers are an awfully inexpensive way to build a house etc. Here, there are a lot of used shipping containers to be had cheap, and it costs more to haul the container to your location than to buy one.

WRT Houston homeless housing, I have read that a lot of these being built are by non profits. And homebuilding here is comparatively cheap.
 
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