How Many Bowl Games are Too Many

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A lot of postseason bowl games have been on life support for years. The CFP might be the death knell for a lot of these insignificant, poorly attended, meaningless bowl games. Neither of these two teams in the video would ever be confused as blue blood programs, but the attendance at this game is pitiful.

 

Crimson1967

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Detroit isn’t high on my list of places to visit for Christmas. But Toledo is just an hour away and Pittsburgh is a five hour drive. But Pitt started the season 7-0 and lost their last five so I can see why their fans didn’t want to go.

Turned out to be a pretty good game.
 

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I guess he bowl itself will determin when it is time to call it quits.
I am not ionvolved with the business model, but I would guess the income for a bowl like that would be:
1. Television revenues.
2. Sponsorships by corporate sponsors (GameAbove Sports, City of Detroit).
3. Ticket sales.

Obviously people were not falling all over themselves to go to Detroit in late December. The other two revenue sources remain, however. How much was "GameAbove Sports" willing to give the Bowl? How much did Detroit give? What did ESPN pay for the privilege of covering this game?
 
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There's no such thing as a 'meaningless bowl game' - no one uttered this phrase until maybe a decade ago when ESPN began polluting CFB with the 'CFP invitational'. It's a marketing scheme to get people focused solely on their big money product. Until this phrase no players 'opted out', but when the fans started calling the games meaningless, the players began to feel the same way.

If you support your team, every game matters. Don't support the ESPN narrative - they don't care about the health of CFB, they only care about extracting money from it.
 

Crimson1967

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There's no such thing as a 'meaningless bowl game' - no one uttered this phrase until maybe a decade ago when ESPN began polluting CFB with the 'CFP invitational'. It's a marketing scheme to get people focused solely on their big money product. Until this phrase no players 'opted out', but when the fans started calling the games meaningless, the players began to feel the same way.

If you support your team, every game matters. Don't support the ESPN narrative - they don't care about the health of CFB, they only care about extracting money from it.
Back in the day, there were only one or two bowl games that really mattered for the national championship. Even New Year’s Day games were “meaningless” if they didn’t have one of the top two teams involved. And outside of the 1984 Holiday Bowl, none of the other bowls played a role at all.

So why is our game against Michigan meaningless while nobody said that in 1976 when we lost three games and had to play in the Liberty Bowl?
 

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I say outside of the playoffs you should limit every conference to 3 bowl slots each and if there is any left over then let the bowls invite whoever they want.
 

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Back in the day, there were only one or two bowl games that really mattered for the national championship. Even New Year’s Day games were “meaningless” if they didn’t have one of the top two teams involved. And outside of the 1984 Holiday Bowl, none of the other bowls played a role at all.

So why is our game against Michigan meaningless while nobody said that in 1976 when we lost three games and had to play in the Liberty Bowl?
In 1976, there were 12 bowl games.
Today there are 47.

And in 1976, nobody was saying, “I think I’ll sit out this game and not risk injury or my NFL future”, although part of that obviously is because back then professional football didn’t offer near the lifetime security it does now.

I think this sort of began when Melvin Bratton blew out his knee in the 1988 Orange Bowl and it cost him probably a million bucks in NFL money.

As far as meaningless bowls, I’ll just note that Alabama fans on this board have used the meaningless excuse for losing to Utah and Oklahoma even when most starters played.

I think meaningless has become a cliche to substitute and downgrade what used to be prestigious game because it was rare.

As far as players sitting out well…..l was a member of the ensemble in JC, prestigious for the singers. I got a scholarship for it - meaning if the director said, “We are singing at the nursing home on Thursday night”, l was there, period. It meant l attended graduations where I wasn’t graduating - because l was on scholarship and made a commitment until l was done.

And for anyone who wants to say singing is not as dangerous as football that’s true, but l had to get to many venues on 2-lane rural roads that have killed many a singer, too.

I agree they are not meaningless, but because the money now is in television and not ticket, sales, television has been calling the shots now for 50 years.
 
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To answer the question though - I think 15 max and 11 max if we have a 12-team playoff. They’re just aren’t that many good teams.
 

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FWIW, former WV head coach Don Nehlen (who is in the CFHOF) had a terrible record in bowl games and when asked about it he admitted that most of them don't really matter so he approached it more as just something fun for the players to do and a last chance for some of them to be together and play one last game.

He didn't go so far as to say they were meaningless, but he didn't see them as meaningful games as much as he saw them as meaningful opportunities for the coaches and players to spend more time together doing something they enjoyed.
 

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When you have 6-6 teams and a 5-7 team playing in bowl game then you definitely have too many.
Yeah, it's never exciting watching teams with those records play but yet if we look at Oklahoma-Navy today strength of schedule must be evaluated. Oklahoma (6-6) is a 2.5 favorite over Navy (9-3). Normally a 9-3 team would be considered bowl worthy but Navy is a weak 9-3 so maybe Navy isn't even bowl worthy.
 

Crimson1967

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The sheer number of bowls probably doesn’t help public perception. Back when there were only eight not on January 1, a bowl game was a big deal on TV. When you have three on in one day it really doesn’t matter if you miss one.
 

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My first year as a CFB fan (and exposure to bowl games) was in 1978.
Let's see what you had that year - and pay close attention to the team records:

Garden State Bowl:
Arizona St (8-3)
Rutgers (9-2)

You had an inaugural NJ-based bowl with a NJ-based team and the one team that had beaten USC.

Independence Bowl:
La Tech (6-4)
E Carolina (8-3)

You had a team from close to Shreveport against a Pat Dye team, he was developing a reputation as a good coach.

Hall of Fame Bowl (Bham):
aTm (7-4)
Iowa St (8-3)

It turned out to be Earle Bruce's last game at Iowa State after an unfortunate incident in the Gator Bowl.

Holiday Bowl:
Navy (8-3)
BYU (9-3)

A San Diego-based bowl includes Navy........(anyone noticing a trend???)

Sun Bowl:
Texas (8-3)
Maryland (9-2)

Another home-team bid, though to be fair, this was disappointing by Texas standards

Liberty Bowl
Missouri (7-4)
LSU (8-3)

"Let's have two teams pretty close to Memphis play a neutral site game." Mizzou was good in 1978, beating Notre Dame and Nebraska both on the road and leading Alabama in the first half.

Tangerine Bowl
NC State (8-3)
Pitt (8-3)

This is now the Citrus Bowl and back in the day this was one of the more presitigous "lower bowl" games.

Peach Bowl:
Purdue (8-2-1)
Ga Tech (7-4)

Another "home team bowl" pitting two engineering schools of eggheads against each other.

Fiesta Bowl:
Arkansas (9-2)
UCLA (8-3)

The Fiesta Bowl was a Christmas Day affair designed to choose a Western USA team until they moved to New Year's Day for the 1982 game and wound up changing CFB forever in 1986.

Gator Bowl:
Clemson (10-1)
Ohio State (7-3-1)

Danny Ford's first game as coach and - I'm serious - he argued after the game Clemson deserved consideration for the national title. It got lost in an unfortunate incident between Woody Hayes's metacarpals and a defensive back named Charlie Baumann.

And it was one of the better bowl games that year as you may notice from the 17-15 final score.

Bluebonnet Bowl:
Stanford (7-4-1)
Georgia (9-1-1)

Generally speaking -and I'm slightly overstating it - the closer the game was to NYD, the more prestigious it was, sort of like a boxing card building to the day of the Main Event. Many nights I watched the Bluebonnet Bowl on NYE and then switched over to watch the Times Square ball drop.

THEN CAME WHAT MIGHT STILL BE THE GREATEST DAY OF NYD BOWLS IN HISTORY

Cotton:

Notre Dame (8-3)
Houston (9-2)

Trailing 34-13 entering the 4th in a Dallas snowstorm and a QB with the flu, the Irish rallied to win at the end and begin the legend of Joe Montana

Sugar:
Alabama (10-1)
Penn St (11-0)

No need to say anything.

Rose:
USC (11-1)
Michigan (10-1)

Bo Schembechler spent the entire month insisting the winner of this game was the undisputed national champion. Good thing he lost - hell, he got robbed - but I'm still glad he lost.

Orange:
Nebraska (9-2)
Oklahoma (10-1)

Back when this was rare, a REMATCH designed to draw eyes to the TV, the only team that beat Oklahoma and the team some thought had the best offense in the country.

Notice that with the sole exception of La Tech in the third-rate bowl game, every team had AT LEAST 7 wins; there are no 6-6 or 5-7 monstrosities getting rewarded just because.

That's a big part of the problem, too.
 
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I enjoy them because I know there won't be any football for a while and because coaches pull out all the stops and run plays like Toledo faking a punt and throwing a pass on 4th and 20 (it went for a touchdown), something they might not do if the MAC championship was on the line.
 

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A lot of postseason bowl games have been on life support for years. The CFP might be the death knell for a lot of these insignificant, poorly attended, meaningless bowl games. Neither of these two teams in the video would ever be confused as blue blood programs, but the attendance at this game is pitiful.

Here’s something I would Remind folks: television networks are always looking for cheap programming to draw good advertising dollars, and what is undeniable is that bowl games still preserve that function.

Reality programming is cheap, which is why we spent years being oversaturated with that. And generally speaking, it doesn’t cost a whole lot of investment to broadcast a simple ball game and even a small rating helps you clear a profit.
 

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