I loved the game and how they played, but I do not like what I saw..........

Dakotatider

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  1. The kick catch interference with DQ menzie.
  2. Jawing with the other team after the play. Trent, John Fulton, and Upshaw during the Arkansas game.

Even though I loved the game and how we played. but the overall attitude with our players and some of the bonehead penalties, potential penalties, we NEED TO STOP. If we were not as good as we are the penalties would be worse for us. and to be honest they will kill us down the road. When someone gets to capitalize on stupid Boneheaded antics it will make us lose a game.

I hope you think the same way. I just think we need to act like we have been here before. However, Florida and Arkansas could have instigating it I am not naive but we need to just walk away from the goading they do to get us get a unsportsmanlike penalty.

David Orr
 

CrimsonEyeshade

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CNS had a couple of quiet, thoughtful conversations with Messrs Fulton and McCarron on how Alabama football players are to comport themselves. From the expression on his face, I don't think it was more than a whisper.
 

RJ YellowHammer

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The DeQuan Menzi kick catch interference penalty was bang-bang. If you watch it again, he's actually going to make the hit as the punt returner is sticking his hands. Not the way to do it, but understandable. Otherwise, this team as done a pretty good job avoiding penalties.

One thing that's becoming apparent with this squad - if they make a mistake, it's too much aggression. I'd rather the err that way. ;)
 

Florida Tom

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CNS had a couple of quiet, thoughtful conversations with Messrs Fulton and McCarron on how Alabama football players are to comport themselves. From the expression on his face, I don't think it was more than a whisper.
I started not to say anything....but...

Although I am not qualified to say anything CNS needs to be a little more careful. He is getting real close to letting his emotions get the best of him. I would like to see him jack up the assistant coaches rather than run out on the field after a player but I'm hopeful he knows best.

I have just seen to many coaches (recently) get in a world of trouble over one single act.

Coach we love ya, please be careful.
 

GA Bamafan

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From an overall look the on-the-field conduct from both teams was a little surprising. This leads me to believe the "jawing' was going on quite regularly. I'm thinking after Florida realized they could not hold on to the lead some serious frustration set in.......
 

Bama Reb

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I started not to say anything....but...

Although I am not qualified to say anything CNS needs to be a little more careful. He is getting real close to letting his emotions get the best of him. I would like to see him jack up the assistant coaches rather than run out on the field after a player but I'm hopeful he knows best.

I have just seen to many coaches (recently) get in a world of trouble over one single act.

Coach we love ya, please be careful.
I have to disagree with this. CNS saw a situation that could potentially blow up into something serious; something that could cost a player and the team receive a PF penalty. As HC, it was his responsibility to put a stop to it before it got out of hand. There was no time to delegate that responsibility down to an assistant. That showed not only the refs, but every player on the field that he doesn't put up with wild and uncontrolled behavior.
 

b2v4ua

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CNS went after our player to keep the player from getting a penalty. I see nothing wrong in that. He did not go to chew a ref, why would that get us in trouble. Its no different than a player going after another player .
 

PaulD

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I don't think Saban was out of control at all. He knew exactly what he was doing to get a player out of a potentially bad situation.

As for Menzies, it looked like he went in with his head down to make the hit. Not a dirty play, but not sound technique. I'm sure coaching will work on that.
 

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Hey guys...real quick...it's football, it's an emotional game. Coach Saban mentioned those emotions the other night. Pretty much said it's a fine line between that edge that the coaches wanna push them to and going over that edge. Mentioned Dre in particular on how much of an emotional player he is. Said that the staff, however, tries to remind guys all the time that nothing that happens on the field is personal, however, when some of these players have spent their entire lives convincing themselves that it IS personal in order to help themselves stay motivated, it's a tough job telling them otherwise.

Now, from all I've seen of him off the field since he got here last year is that Dequan is one of the most mature players on our team. I could call a few guys on our team knuckleheads but he wouldn't come close to making that list. As far as Trent goes, we've watched him for 3 years now. We know what he is. He doesn't usually get very emotional or excitable but think back a few years. Trent grew up in Florida. And because of his extension and the comparisons to Emmitt Smith was thought to be a shoe in to go to Florida. Can you imagine the amount of mess he had to endure when he decided to come here? That was his first opportunity to play a regular season game in his home state against a team that he grew up not too far from. And a lot of his family that's probably not ever had a chance to see him play college ball live was probably there too. Throw all that in with the fact that the UF players were getting frustrated and resorting to Bush League tactics after the play and of course the emotions will overflow.

Personally, I didn't have a problem with most of it.
 

subherbanite

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I rolled off the couch when Saban told McCarron to calm down(this is the PG rated version:wink:).

Yeah, the guys just have to remember to keep their cool and do their jobs. When you're as good as Bama and your goal is a BCS championship, you can't get caught up in who's winning the battles or arguments after every scuffle.
 

CajunCrimson

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I have to disagree with this. CNS saw a situation that could potentially blow up into something serious; something that could cost a player and the team receive a PF penalty. As HC, it was his responsibility to put a stop to it before it got out of hand. There was no time to delegate that responsibility down to an assistant. That showed not only the refs, but every player on the field that he doesn't put up with wild and uncontrolled behavior.
I felt the same way. I think he saw that his team was starting to lose their patience and starting to give the Gators back some of their swagger (you can only take so much before you start giving it back)...... I think he felt that his input was the best way to END IT NOW!!!

On the play where #52 tried to lay out Fluker -- did anyone notice the guy that had AJ on the ground raise his hand as if he was about to punch him? They cut away at the last minute -- and i'm not 100% sure if that's what I saw, but it sure looked like it.

I think they let the emotions of the game get to them.....but they seemed to gather it back.

Some of the words like "Punish" and "No Pity" that I've heard from Upshaw and Chapman are traditional football terms, but may be misconstrued by others that we were looking to hurt Brantley -- that does concern me. We don't need a Miami tag on our team -- even though I don't think that is true.... the media often times doesn't need much help to embrace it.
 

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I felt the same way. I think he saw that his team was starting to lose their patience and starting to give the Gators back some of their swagger (you can only take so much before you start giving it back)...... I think he felt that his input was the best way to END IT NOW!!!

On the play where #52 tried to lay out Fluker -- did anyone notice the guy that had AJ on the ground raise his hand as if he was about to punch him? They cut away at the last minute -- and i'm not 100% sure if that's what I saw, but it sure looked like it.

I think they let the emotions of the game get to them.....but they seemed to gather it back.

Some of the words like "Punish" and "No Pity" that I've heard from Upshaw and Chapman are traditional football terms, but may be misconstrued by others that we were looking to hurt Brantley -- that does concern me. We don't need a Miami tag on our team -- even though I don't think that is true.... the media often times doesn't need much help to embrace it.
Yes I did. He pulled back like he was going to slug him then the camera cut away so U don't know if he did. I think that is what got AJ jumping up and acting liuke he hasn't been there.
 

trenda

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  1. The kick catch interference with DQ menzie.
  2. Jawing with the other team after the play. Trent, John Fulton, and Upshaw during the Arkansas game.

Even though I loved the game and how we played. but the overall attitude with our players and some of the bonehead penalties, potential penalties, we NEED TO STOP. If we were not as good as we are the penalties would be worse for us. and to be honest they will kill us down the road. When someone gets to capitalize on stupid Boneheaded antics it will make us lose a game.
Aren't we one of the least penalized teams in the country??
 

bamanick57

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It was a very physical game. Early on Florida was using a lot of after the whistle or almost after the whistle antics to, imo, try and intimidate our guys. I think we just showed them that we don't get intimidated. As for McCarron after his touchdown, as I recall he had just been hit very very late and there was no call. These officials, by the way, in a word smelled up the place. I believe this is the group that was suspended last year over this same type thing. It's a shame that the best conference in the country has some of the worst officiating, but I digress. As someone else said, its an emotional game and a fine line between being too emotional and being in check.
 

Alasippi

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Coach Saban rarely blows his cool. That's why when he does jump a players case the player realizes he means business.

I'll guarantee you A.J. won't be taunting the crowd again any time soon.

Personally, not only do i not have a problem Coach Saban sometimes losing his temper.......I like it. A lot.

The man gets results.
 

Dakotatider

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Least penalized or not. I think losing our composure is not the thing to do. I know as well as everybody that Football is a emotional part. and Alabama's psychological game to the other team is to get into their heads and make them not play their game. I understand that. But... You can play the game without having bonehead situations.

BTW, there were several times i think Mark Searles (head ref) should have ejected people for blatant PF penalties on Florida's part.
 

SavannahDare

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Football is a game of inches and explosions, not just in terms of the plays on the field, but also in terms of how the players' emotions come out. Most players are going to learn to keep themselves put together and use their focus and emotion to beat the guy across from them (inches), but you will nearly always see a burst of excitability, either in celebration or frustration or anger, at various points in the game (explosions).

So long as the players learn to have controlled explosions, it's fine, and I believe this is what the coaching staff tries to instill in them - not to play stoically, but to learn how and when to allow their emotions to fuel their play. That learning process goes on off the field, in practice, in meetings, in the weight room and there's no reason to expect that it won't go on on the field of play during a game. Let's try to be realistic about who these young men are and not worry so much about the occasional emotional outburst. They are young, highly competitive men. They are not automatons.
 

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