Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.)

[Bamabuzzard]

The administration pushed its agenda on the need to get rid of violent illegal immigrants. So it's valid to see how many violent criminals they've gotten--particularly since the SC court just gave a thumbs up to the denial of due process.

No doubt there is an element of validity to it. But the bigger picture and scope of ICE is getting control of the number of people who are here illegally, whether violent or not. I'm one of those who don't care whether they're violent or not. We have been the most gracious and welcoming country on the planet as it pertains to "anybody" wanting to come here. But our system of taking immigrants in has long needed to be cleaned up. By the law, if they're here illegally, they are already a criminal. I know many will nuance that definition to death and massage it to make me sound like the criminal. But nonetheless, it is still a true statement. I wish we had room and resources for every suffering soul in the world, but we simply do not.

 

[Huckleberry]

To be fair, a vast majority of people I know who support the deportations don't care if they're violent criminals or not, and I suspect those who voted for Trump follow that thinking.

I can understand the desire to deport those who are here illegally, but are these people you know in favor of deporting them to random third-world countries? I’m sure the idea makes some Trumpers salivate with glee, but I can’t imagine that normal people are in favor of that. Why does it seem that the most cruel response is the preferred answer for this administration?

 

[crimsonaudio]

I can understand the desire to deport those who are here illegally, but are these people you know in favor of deporting them to random third-world countries? I’m sure the idea makes some Trumpers salivate with glee, but I can’t imagine that normal people are in favor of that. Why does it seem that the most cruel response is the preferred answer for this administration?

I’m no trumper but I honestly couldn’t care less where they send them.

 

[Huckleberry]

No doubt there is an element of validity to it. But the bigger picture and scope of ICE is getting control of the number of people who are here illegally, whether violent or not. I'm one of those who don't care whether they're violent or not. We have been the most gracious and welcoming country on the planet as it pertains to "anybody" wanting to come here. But our system of taking immigrants in has long needed to be cleaned up. By the law, if they're here illegally, they are already a criminal. I know many will nuance that definition to death and massage it to make me sound like the criminal. But nonetheless, it is still a true statement. I wish we had room and resources for every suffering soul in the world, but we simply do not.

I’ll ask you the same question: If these people are going to be deported, shouldn’t it be done in the most humane manner possible? Surely your next door neighbor’s au pair or the guy who trims your hedges deserves to be treated in a respectable way, even if they’re being sent away.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I’ll ask you the same question: If these people are going to be deported, shouldn’t it be done in the most humane manner possible? Surely your next door neighbor’s au pair or the guy who trims your hedges deserves to be treated in a respectable way, even if they’re being sent away.

They’re being flown to other countries and given cash, not being placed on a barge and set off to sea…

 

[Its On A Slab]

I’m no trumper but I honestly couldn’t care less where they send them.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I’ll ask you the same question: If these people are going to be deported, shouldn’t it be done in the most humane manner possible? Surely your next door neighbor’s au pair or the guy who trims your hedges deserves to be treated in a respectable way, even if they’re being sent away.

They deserve whatever rights our current laws provide to someone who has entered the country illegally and has subsequently been caught. I think that is the extent of what they deserve. However, under no circumstances should they be mistreated for someone's sick entertainment.

 

[Huckleberry]

They’re being flown to other countries and given cash, not being placed on a barge and set off to sea…

I’m not able to find confirmation that forcibly deported people are given cash (not that that would necessarily make it right). Can you please provide some proof of that?

 

[jthomas666]

I can understand the desire to deport those who are here illegally, but are these people you know in favor of deporting them to random third-world countries? I’m sure the idea makes some Trumpers salivate with glee, but I can’t imagine that normal people are in favor of that. Why does it seem that the most cruel response is the preferred answer for this administration?

Specifically, are they in favor of deporting people to locations where the US cannot guarantee their safety?

 

[92tide]

They deserve whatever rights our current laws provide to someone who has entered the country illegally and has subsequently been caught. I think that is the extent of what they deserve. However, under no circumstances should they be mistreated for someone's sick entertainment.

one of those rights is due process, and from the looks of things that is not always being given.

i’ll also go on record as being against the lack of uniform standards and identifying themselves on the part of i.c.e. agents (and law enforcement in general)

 

[crimsonaudio]

I’m not able to find confirmation that forcibly deported people are given cash (not that that would necessarily make it right). Can you please provide some proof of that?

I think I was conflating deportees with those who self-deported, so apologies for the mistake.

Flying them out of the country still seems pretty humane to me.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Specifically, are they in favor of deporting people to locations where the US cannot guarantee their safety?

The US cannot guarantee anyone’s safety in a foreign country, even US citizens.

 

[92tide]

siap, but this type of thing is disgusting

Cancel, arrest, deport: Immigration lawyer warns of emerging ICE tactic

In Northern Virginia and across the United States, the Trump administration appears to be using a new tactic to ramp up deportations. Inside immigration court, government lawyers are terminating cases. Then, when people step outside, they are arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement...

www.nbcwashington.com

 

[Bamabuzzard]

one of those rights is due process, and from the looks of things that is not always being given.

i’ll also go on record as being against the lack of uniform standards and identifying themselves on the part of i.c.e. agents (and law enforcement in general)

Yep, I fully agree. If that's what our current laws afford them, then that's what they need to get. If citizens don't like that, then they need to try and get the law changed. But as it stands currently, they have a right to due process, and they should get it.

 

[Huckleberry]

siap, but this type of thing is disgusting

Cancel, arrest, deport: Immigration lawyer warns of emerging ICE tactic

In Northern Virginia and across the United States, the Trump administration appears to be using a new tactic to ramp up deportations. Inside immigration court, government lawyers are terminating cases. Then, when people step outside, they are arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement...

www.nbcwashington.com

I guess it’s much easier (and safer) than going after dangerous criminals, so who can blame them? And ICE can stay masked and anonymous, so it’s a win-win for them.

I’m looking forward to the Trump Administration bragging about the number of hardcore criminals it has deported who were posing as maids and gardeners. And finally all those Americans who couldn’t find work at a decent wage will be able to find employment.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Actually, even if they entered illegally, if they turn themselves in and claim asylum, they are not here illegally until an immigration court determines that to be the case. The problem is, of course, that there's nothing like enough judges and courts to go around. Stiffening the border and making it harder to enter is perfectly legal. Surprisingly, a huge majority - over 80% - show for their hearings because they want to become legal and they think their case fits the law...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I guess it’s much easier (and safer) than going after dangerous criminals, so who can blame them? And ICE can stay masked and anonymous, so it’s a win-win for them.

I’m looking forward to the Trump Administration bragging about the number of hardcore criminals it has deported who were posing as maids and gardeners. And finally all those Americans who couldn’t find work at a decent wage will be able to find employment.

Yeah, like here, where the unemployment rate is a bit above 2%...

 

[JDCrimson]

There are solutions to problems like these that can be dealt with modern technology and analysis.

But see problems in government are fodder for the parties to campaign on and contractors to get rich on. Solving the problems helps no one in government but helps all its citizens. We cant solve immigration or abortion or the war on drugs or gun control because the court system and other government contractors make too much money on these initiatives. There a bunch of courts/prisons that would close if drugs were transferred to a health matter rather than a criminal matter. Besides what does a candidate run on if the incumbent fixed those issues?

No doubt there is an element of validity to it. But the bigger picture and scope of ICE is getting control of the number of people who are here illegally, whether violent or not. I'm one of those who don't care whether they're violent or not. We have been the most gracious and welcoming country on the planet as it pertains to "anybody" wanting to come here. But our system of taking immigrants in has long needed to be cleaned up. By the law, if they're here illegally, they are already a criminal. I know many will nuance that definition to death and massage it to make me sound like the criminal. But nonetheless, it is still a true statement. I wish we had room and resources for every suffering soul in the world, but we simply do not.

 

[bamacpa]

It just seems wrong to me for ICE to mask themselves. Accountability should still matter.

 

[crimsonaudio]

It just seems wrong to me for ICE to mask themselves. Accountability should still matter.

But again, if the agents and/or their families are being doxxed / threatened, what's the answer? As crazy as the fringe members of our society are, all it takes is one person seeing an agent's address to show up at their home with ill intent.