Indonesia plane crash: All 189 passengers presumed dead in latest aviation disaster (Oct 2018)

[Elefantman]

Thee FAA's official position on the 737 Max issue:

 

[TexasBama]

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[jthomas666]

They can't catch a break, can they?

 

[B1GTide]

They can't catch a break, can they?

Seems like they did a garbage job developing this plane. There is a model in airplane development that has been working very well for many decades. Boeing tried to go a different route with the Max and it didn't work out for them, so they gamed the system to allow the airplanes to be sold and flown. Why would they do that instead of just scrapping the design as a failure? Hubris.

 

[Bamaro]

At least this time it is a small number, not the whole fleet of Maxs, and it is for inspection so they may not be out of service long.

 

[B1GTide]

At least this time it is a small number, not the whole fleet of Maxs, and it is for inspection so they may not be out of service long.

I won't be flying in one of these, so they can scrap them all as far as I am concerned.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Seems like they did a garbage job developing this plane. There is a model in airplane development that has been working very well for many decades. Boeing tried to go a different route with the Max and it didn't work out for them, so they gamed the system to allow the airplanes to be sold and flown. Why would they do that instead of just scrapping the design as a failure? Hubris.

Hubris and greed. Greed was the driver and hubris enabled the behaviors.

 

[Elefantman]

Seems like they did a garbage job developing this plane. There is a model in airplane development that has been working very well for many decades. Boeing tried to go a different route with the Max and it didn't work out for them, so they gamed the system to allow the airplanes to be sold and flown. Why would they do that instead of just scrapping the design as a failure? Hubris.

It's all about reducing the airline's cost of training pilots. The idea was that if a pilot already had a B737 type rating, all they would need is a couple of hours of "difference" training and they would be good to go on the Max. To accomplish this, they installed this artificial stability system to make the Max fly more like the current B737's. The larger engines were not a good fit for the current airframe. They needed to make the landing gear taller so that the new engine could fit under the wing instead of in front of the wing. But that would require a major redesign. Boeing pushed the 737 airframe to its limit. Time to let it go and start with a new sheet of paper.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I won't be flying in one of these, so they can scrap them all as far as I am concerned.

If they change equipment after you book, or, worse, after you arrive at the gate (it's happened to me), are you willing to walk off?

 

[B1GTide]

If they change equipment after you book, or, worse, after you arrive at the gate (it's happened to me), are you willing to walk off?

Possibly. I have a great deal of freedom as a traveler. I am high enough in the food chain where I work to change my schedule as necessary

 

[seebell]

 

[92tide]

 

[NationalTitles18]

Meanwhile...

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[Bamaro]

The Smithsonian Channel has a series called Air Disasters. The latest one, shown last night, deals with the MAX 8 crashes. It is available on Comcast On Demand (season 16:04)

 

[UAH]

The Smithsonian Channel has a series called Air Disasters. The latest one, shown last night, deals with the MAX 8 crashes. It is available on Comcast On Demand (season 16:04)

Thanks I am recording the series and will check this one out.

 

[UAH]

The Smithsonian Channel has a series called Air Disasters. The latest one, shown last night, deals with the MAX 8 crashes. It is available on Comcast On Demand (season 16:04)

I just finished the segment on the Max 8. It really revived my anger toward Boeing that they put this out there without any advisory. It appears that the only way more disasters did not occur was that all other systems performed flawlessly in the air. The Indonesian plane would have crashed during the earlier flight had the third officer not noticed wild rotation of the trim wheels. The copilot was out of his depth in the fatal crash flight but there was so much conflicting information and easy to understand how the pilots would not understand that the plane was automatically trimming nose down due to an onboard system that they had no awareness of!

 

[B1GTide]

The Smithsonian Channel has a series called Air Disasters. The latest one, shown last night, deals with the MAX 8 crashes. It is available on Comcast On Demand (season 16:04)

I have been watching this channel a lot lately. Love this show. Will have to keep an eye out for that episode.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I just finished the segment on the Max 8. It really revived my anger toward Boeing that they put this out there without any advisory. It appears that the only way more disasters did not occur was that all other systems performed flawlessly in the air. The Indonesian plane would have crashed during the earlier flight had the third officer not noticed wild rotation of the trim wheels. The copilot was out of his depth in the fatal crash flight but there was so much conflicting information and easy to understand how the pilots would not understand that the plane was automatically trimming nose down due to an onboard system that they had no awareness of!

I can't imagine the terror when the plane starts doing weird things at a critical time and you don't even have enough physical strength to overcome it...

 

[Elefantman]

This morning a very old 737-200 flying cargo ditched in the ocean after it experienced an engine failure on takeoff from Honolulu. Fortunately, both pilots were rescued by the Coast Guard. The video is a recording of the radio conversation between the pilots and the control tower as well as the radar track.

Legacy 737 Ditches Off Honolulu, Pilots Rescued (Updated)

Both pilots are reported to be safe, but seriously injured, after they ditched their Boeing 737 cargo plane off Honolulu early Friday. The FAA has confirmed that a Rhoades Express...

www.avweb.com

 

[NationalTitles18]

This morning a very old 737-200 flying cargo ditched in the ocean after it experienced an engine failure on takeoff from Honolulu. Fortunately, both pilots were rescued by the Coast Guard. The video is a recording of the radio conversation between the pilots and the control tower as well as the radar track.

Legacy 737 Ditches Off Honolulu, Pilots Rescued (Updated)

Both pilots are reported to be safe, but seriously injured, after they ditched their Boeing 737 cargo plane off Honolulu early Friday. The FAA has confirmed that a Rhoades Express...

www.avweb.com

Those guys are lucky to be alive. That was a very odd series of transmissions. Seems like they would have gone immediately back to the airport with an engine out.