Interesting insight into Auburn's present recruiting tactics...

ElkhartTider

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I don't think it was negative recruiting when Shula was in office, it was probably honesty.

By the way, Bama and Auburn have only gone head to head on a few players (considering), and Auburn almost always offers after Bama evaluates. Most players Auburn landed wouldn't have even been considered by Saban due to his evaluation process, which has a lot to do with character. Auburn seems to land a lot of very immature or just downright dirty guys on their team, take a look at the Cam/Fairley on the field and web cam scandal. WAEGABABY is another example of a player Bama wouldn't touch with a 10 ft. pole.
By "WAEGABABY" I assume you mean Quan Bray.. lol

Just saying.. Bama offered Quan and I remember us recruiting him.. and if you'll look at the Rivals archives we recruited him at least until October.. Quan Bray - Yahoo! Sports

I'm glad we didn't get him or didn't want him? But he obviously passed Saban's evaluation's up to a certain point at least...
 

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By "WAEGABABY" I assume you mean Quan Bray.. lol

Just saying.. Bama offered Quan and I remember us recruiting him.. and if you'll look at the Rivals archives we recruited him at least until October.. Quan Bray - Yahoo! Sports

I'm glad we didn't get him or didn't want him? But he obviously passed Saban's evaluation's up to a certain point at least...
Yeah, he probably did, but I am not sold that he had a committable offer. If he did, I stand corrected. I think we were after bigger fish at RB than him.
 

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By "WAEGABABY" I assume you mean Quan Bray.. lol

Just saying.. Bama offered Quan and I remember us recruiting him.. and if you'll look at the Rivals archives we recruited him at least until October.. Quan Bray - Yahoo! Sports

I'm glad we didn't get him or didn't want him? But he obviously passed Saban's evaluation's up to a certain point at least...
I don't trust Rivals or any other recruiting site as to whether we've offered, are recruiting or how hard we're recruiting any particular prospect. You shouldn't either...
 

HITIDE

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I don't think it was negative recruiting when Shula was in office, it was probably honesty.

By the way, Bama and Auburn have only gone head to head on a few players (considering), and Auburn almost always offers after Bama evaluates. Most players Auburn landed wouldn't have even been considered by Saban due to his evaluation process, which has a lot to do with character. Auburn seems to land a lot of very immature or just downright dirty guys on their team, take a look at the Cam/Fairley on the field and web cam scandal. WAEGABABY is another example of a player Bama wouldn't touch with a 10 ft. pole.
Shula's first two years still had the ncaa gun aimed at Bama's head, the ncaa kept the punishment open until Gallion proved that fulmer, the SEC commish and the ncaa were in cahoots, trying to bring Bama down. Negative recruiters were telling recruits Bama could still get the DP.
Negative recruiting was very detrimental to Bama's recruiting from 2000 'til we came off probation, could recruit the full amount and promise a chance at winning a championship. Negative recruiting is still rampant at schools who have nothing to sell but have minimal effect on Bama's recruiting. A couple kids, each year, may get turned away by the negative recruiting but CNS just plugs in another........their loss.
 

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No offense intended, y'all, but this thread has veered from interesting insights about Auburn recruiting strategy into borderline hubris. In other words: Any smart kid would logically choose Alabama. So Auburn must be going after the dumb ones.

Interesting premise since most of us don't know the players involved or have access to their transcripts. Besides, it ignores the fact that we went head to head with AU on many of these top Southern recruits.

That leaves us relying on how the kids talk as proof of our program's superiority, which is a little like meeting someone on the job who subtracts IQ points after hearing our Southern accents.

Does anyone remember Marcel's speaking performance after the National Championship game? He was so stage-struck he couldn't talk. Would we like the world to assess his intelligence based on that 15 seconds of film? Would we think it fair if rival schools used his momentarily tongue-tied state to reach conclusions about the kind of kids we go after?

This is not a defense of Auburn. I think it's fascinating how in these different examples, their recruiters successfully went around the parents to get to their children. But why don't we leave it at that.
 

rammerjammer69

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No offense intended, y'all, but this thread has veered from interesting insights about Auburn recruiting strategy into borderline hubris. In other words: Any smart kid would logically choose Alabama. So Auburn must be going after the dumb ones.

Interesting premise since most of us don't know the players involved or have access to their transcripts. Besides, it ignores the fact that we went head to head with AU on many of these top Southern recruits.

That leaves us relying on how the kids talk as proof of our program's superiority, which is a little like meeting someone on the job who subtracts IQ points after hearing our Southern accents.

Does anyone remember Marcel's speaking performance after the National Championship game? He was so stage-struck he couldn't talk. Would we like the world to assess his intelligence based on that 15 seconds of film? Would we think it fair if rival schools used his momentarily tongue-tied state to reach conclusions about the kind of kids we go after?

This is not a defense of Auburn. I think it's fascinating how in these different examples, their recruiters successfully went around the parents to get to their children. But why don't we leave it at that.
I wouldn't say Calloway, Cyrus or others are "dumb" but they are young, inexperienced and impressionable like pretty much all 17/18 yr olds. Who among us didn't make some bad decisions at that age? What AU is good at is exploiting this with Troopa and others and they prey on these kids. Of course there are no parents there - any adult would see through it in two seconds, but the kids aren't old enough to know better yet. It wouldn't surprise me if other SEC schools are complaining because it really is morally reprehensible for a 'supposed' institute of higher learning to specifically exclude parents and try to get kids to make a life decision based on a weekend of hype. And then they lie to everyone and say it's all about "fambly" and a "God thing,".
 

CrimsonEyeshade

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I wouldn't say Calloway, Cyrus or others are "dumb" but they are young, inexperienced and impressionable like pretty much all 17/18 yr olds. Who among us didn't make some bad decisions at that age? What AU is good at is exploiting this with Troopa and others and they prey on these kids. Of course there are no parents there - any adult would see through it in two seconds, but the kids aren't old enough to know better yet. It wouldn't surprise me if other SEC schools are complaining because it really is morally reprehensible for a 'supposed' institute of higher learning to specifically exclude parents and try to get kids to make a life decision based on a weekend of hype. And then they lie to everyone and say it's all about "fambly" and a "God thing,".
It's a very troubling approach. But I suspect AU can't sustain it for much longer. Moms and dads and high school coaches are already catching on.
 

tideronthehooch

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It does seem that Auburn certainly likes to recruit kids while their parents aren't around. Makes me wonder what they are saying and doing. Seems that there have been a few parents who have obviously objected to this tactic and it backfired on them. To them it was a great thing when $Cam's daddy delivered him to AU, but not so much when parents want their kids to go to school with their brother or to honor their word.
 

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Yeah, he probably did, but I am not sold that he had a committable offer. If he did, I stand corrected. I think we were after bigger fish at RB than him.
I would agree, I don't believe Bray ever had a firm offer from us.
 

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Its also interesting that a Tony Paige is a DeMatha alum and is involved in Perennial Sports (Exec VP) which guides NFL prospects in contract negotiations, marketing etc...now, where have we heard that name before....
 

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I wouldn't say Calloway, Cyrus or others are "dumb" but they are young, inexperienced and impressionable like pretty much all 17/18 yr olds. Who among us didn't make some bad decisions at that age? What AU is good at is exploiting this with Troopa and others and they prey on these kids. Of course there are no parents there - any adult would see through it in two seconds, but the kids aren't old enough to know better yet. It wouldn't surprise me if other SEC schools are complaining because it really is morally reprehensible for a 'supposed' institute of higher learning to specifically exclude parents and try to get kids to make a life decision based on a weekend of hype. And then they lie to everyone and say it's all about "fambly" and a "God thing,".
Auburn was in desperation mode when they got rid of Tuberville. He didn't recruit worth a crap his last year or so. The 2007 class had several studs that starred on the team this past year. But the 2008 and 2009 classes really suffered. Many of the players in those classes weren't very good and many of the good ones signed didn't qualify or are not on the team right now. They are going to feel the effects from those poor classes this year. When you compare those classes with Alabama's from those two years it's not even close. Chizik, Trooper and Luper had to resort to dirty tactics to get players in there. They've always done things this way but it was ramped up big time when Saban began to put a stranglehold on the recruiting as well as winning on the field. I think their desperation is going to catch up with them sooner or later. The Cam situation was the first major hint of something illegal happening but the way they recruited Calloway, Cyrus, Region as well as the kids from Arkansas and Louisiana really put out some major hints. Supposedly, the NCAA and SEC are going to punish Trooper for the way he handled the Gabe Wright recruitment. Good riddance if so. He's been a bag man everywhere he's been.
 

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the allbarn seem to use tactics that gangs and cults use to lure people in, alot of family talk and we will take care of you and that other places dont care about you and dont wont you to be happy. the going around parents or guardians and preying on impressible young minds the only thing not mentioned yet is the sleep deprivation and the use of drugs or women to help control the minds of "recuits"
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
 

AustinTider

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Sure Awbarn is the ONLY place where they care about players and will tell a recruit the truth...what a novel idea!
Awbarn will do everything they can to gain any advantage over Bama..lie, steal, cheat, etc.
Next they will kidnap Bama players before they play us. They tried the traffic jam before the last JH game.
Giving the Miami staff the Bama signals/plays before the first Sugar bowl with them was tops till this one..
The Fambily is a Shambily! The Hall of Shame is the next stop for Cheeznip!
 

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