Is Coach Saban REALLY getting coaches fired?

[bamaga]

YEP

 

[tidehawk]

I for one am not one of those thinking that Alabama's beatdowns of Clemson, UT, MSU and the barn led directly to their coaches being fired, although it probably had some effect. But, in relation to aubarn, how do you think the Saban Effect will play out in their finding a new coach? I do believe that Saban being at Bama will directly have an effect on who the barn tries to get and who is willing to come.

I don't think for a minute Muschamp wants to be back at aubarn. The way the athletic dept has handled this situation is a direct reflection on why he left in the first place. I also think a LOT of coaches will balk at coming to aubarn due to two things: they don't want to deal with the disfunctional aubarn situation, and they have to be in direct competition with Saban. Whether they want to admit it or not, Saban now owns this state as far as recruiting and is making headway in other areas that used to be dominated by the barn (Georgia, South Alabama particularly Mobile, etc.). Guys are going to see the current situation at aubarn as an EXTREMELY uphill battle and will not want to deal with it.

What do you think?

 

[RTR_UA#1]

I for one am not one of those thinking that Alabama's beatdowns of Clemson, UT, MSU and the barn led directly to their coaches being fired, although it probably had some effect. But, in relation to aubarn, how do you think the Saban Effect will play out in their finding a new coach? I do believe that Saban being at Bama will directly have an effect on who the barn tries to get and who is willing to come.

I don't think for a minute Muschamp wants to be back at aubarn. The way the athletic dept has handled this situation is a direct reflection on why he left in the first place. I also think a LOT of coaches will balk at coming to aubarn due to two things: they don't want to deal with the disfunctional aubarn situation, and they have to be in direct competition with Saban. Whether they want to admit it or not, Saban now owns this state as far as recruiting and is making headway in other areas that used to be dominated by the barn (Georgia, South Alabama particularly Mobile, etc.). Guys are going to see the current situation at aubarn as an EXTREMELY uphill battle and will not want to deal with it.

What do you think?

Exactly!
I just wish all the above said coaches would have stayed another year or 2 because the TIDE owed a few more whuppins to Phatty and Ears.

 

[bamaga]

NO, the blowout losses to Bama had little to do with the firings,But in this instant gratification microwave society, Bama hired the ultimate microwave coach. Its ironic he does it the old fashion, wood burning stove style of plain Hard Work!!! The necessary ingredients were in place at Bama, It took the right person to ignite the fire!!.
His relentless recruiting style and personal responsibility actions led to quick success, and others took notice, as evidenced by a recurring theme I saw on rival message boards ' why can't that be us'. Many felt with current coaching staffs they would continue to fall behind saban's intensity driven success.

 

[RTR_UA#1]

NO, the blowout losses to Bama had little to do with the firings,But in this instant gratification microwave society, Bama hired the ultimate microwave coach. Its ironic he does it the old fashion, wood burning stove style of plain Hard Work!!! The necessary ingredients were in place at Bama, It took the right person to ignite the fire!!.
His relentless recruiting style and personal responsibility actions led to quick success, and others took notice, as evidenced by a recurring theme I saw on rival message boards ' why can't that be us'. Many felt with current coaching staffs they would continue to fall behind saban's intensity driven success.

Kinda reminds you of a certain other successful BAMA coach, doesn't it?
"If you believe in yourself and have dedication and pride - and never quit, you'll be a winner..."

 

[Ark-Tider]

When one looks at the way Saban went about it, one cannot help but be impressed. He didn't just plug in an offense and a defense - he started by teaching the players the right way to go about the pursuit of all things in their lives in order to be successful in everything that they do.

Saban does not just teach football players to play great football, he teaches them how to approach a challenge, how to take responsibility for themselves and their actions - all of their actions. He teaches them to focus on the moment right in front of them - the task at hand.

His plan (process) is so simple, but it is one that so few people employ in their lives. Compare his approach to most college football coaches. Just having him in the room makes everyone else look the worse. Having him in the SEC is certainly cause for schools to reevaluate their leadership. It's not just about wins and losses, but about the way that he goes about getting more from his players and coaches than anyone could possibly expect - and getting them to give it gladly.

I have had the good fortune to work for a few men like Nick Saban, and they are life changing. We are very lucky to have him...

I agree. It's like driving in the winter. If you wait until your vehichle is on the bridge to hit your brakes, then you might spin out of control. I think these schools are just hitting the breaks before they get to the bridge.

 

[numbersman]

Speculate the season if Shula would have been at Bama. We would have lost 3-4 games with close wins in most if not all of the wins. Recruiting would have stayed average to below average. While who can say really what the difference might be, imagine some of the recruits at AU, UT, Clemson, or even MSU. It is very conceivable that Saban's performance had a big effect on the decisions to can the 4 coaches at the programs who have fired their HC's.

You can add several potential future fires that could occur unless they tighten their ships, which I imagine they will: UGA, LSU, and UK.

RTR

 

[bamatrader]

Yep

 

[CalVol]

You guys were half of the equation that got Fulmer sent packing. Dont forget CUM was the other half.

 

[bamachile]

There is nothing new under the sun.

The key to the future (and the present) is the past.

A long time ago, way back in the recesses of the memories of the old-timers, a tradition-rich university in a Southern state went from a semi-forgotten has-been to CFB's biggest powerhouse almost immediately with the hire of a controversial, take-no-prisoners head coach who outworked, out-recruited, and out-coached everybody.

At the time this coach was hired, the SEC was full of successful coaches with reasonably long tenures. Within a few short years, they started disappearing faster than ice cubes in the desert. Different opinions existed as to why, but the fact remained that they disappeared.

Go study the history of the SEC after CPB came on the scene. You won't need to ask this question again.

 

[Tide Tales]

There is nothing new under the sun.

The key to the future (and the present) is the past.

A long time ago, way back in the recesses of the memories of the old-timers, a tradition-rich university in a Southern state went from a semi-forgotten has-been to CFB's biggest powerhouse almost immediately with the hire of a controversial, take-no-prisoners head coach who outworked, out-recruited, and out-coached everybody.

At the time this coach was hired, the SEC was full of successful coaches with reasonably long tenures. Within a few short years, they started disappearing faster than ice cubes in the desert. Different opinions existed as to why, but the fact remained that they disappeared.

Go study the history of the SEC after CPB came on the scene. You won't need to ask this question again.

Exactly!:biggrin:

 

[Tennessee]

Im a firm believer that Tubs would still have a job if he had beaten Bama this year. We all know it.

Probably true, but the Board nor Bobby Lowder like TT...They were waiting on one bad season and they got it...I don't know who they are going to bring in that will do a better job than TT did...I know y'all don't really like TT bc of holding up the fingers, etc, but he is an excellent football coach, so I think Lowder and co are about to find out the meaning of "be carefule what you ask for." Had the man had a couple of bad seasons in a row or in a short period of time, I'd understand it, but he hasn't...

 

[BamaSkins]

more power to him if he can...

fulmer was fat and happy at tenn...playing mr secret witness when he should have been focusing on his own team...he lost his edge and along come Coach Saban with a standard so high it takes 20 hours a day to reach it...spanked him twice in a row and boom fulmore is gone

tubs was fat and happy with us and our troubles...he was hoping we would keep shula forever because he would have never lost to shula...he was sticking fingers in the air and poking fun, he was duck hunting and all kinds of stuff...when he should have been coaching his team...along comes Coach Saban and boom blows him out of the water in recruiting and then on the field...bye bye tubbie

look folks the hand-writing is on the wall...to compete with this man, football better be #1 with you and your staff...or else boom you'll be blown away.

 

[bamanut_aj]

if Saban got tubby fired, then who was it the first time they tried to get rid of him?

This has been brewing a while. First Jet-gate, then Tubby holds out on his contract extension while waiting to see if Miles was going to take the lsu job. Now, he loses to BAMA once in 7 years and gets canned? "Saban" is the easy answer, but it goes way deeper than just getting 'Sabanized' for Tubby.

Fulmer's job depended on beating the Big 3....uga, uf, and BAMA. He's been beating one of them, sometimes two, until last year. This year, he beat none. He's had his second losing season in 4 years.

Croom? Refuses to go the JUCO route and said he would never fire his assistants. He basically got himself fired.

 

[RTR_UA#1]

if Saban got tubby fired, then who was it the first time they tried to get rid of him?

This has been brewing a while. First Jet-gate, then Tubby holds out on his contract extension while waiting to see if Miles was going to take the lsu job. Now, he loses to BAMA once in 7 years and gets canned? "Saban" is the easy answer, but it goes way deeper than just getting 'Sabanized' for Tubby.

Fulmer's job depended on beating the Big 3....uga, uf, and BAMA. He's been beating one of them, sometimes two, until last year. This year, he beat none. He's had his second losing season in 4 years.

Croom? Refuses to go the JUCO route and said he would never fire his assistants. He basically got himself fired.

Exactly what I am seeing in all this. Maybe Coach Saban broke the camels back but this pot has been brewing for a while.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

IMO, the lopsided scores in Knoxville and the Iron Bowl was the "straw that broke the camels back." For that matter, how bad did Clemson look in the opener? Pretty darn bad.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

FACT: 33% of the coaches who lost to Saban lost their jobs. Now, I am not saying, you know, but .........

 

[RhodeIslandRed]

Probably true, but the Board nor Bobby Lowder like TT...They were waiting on one bad season and they got it...I don't know who they are going to bring in that will do a better job than TT did...I know y'all don't really like TT bc of holding up the fingers, etc, but he is an excellent football coach, so I think Lowder and co are about to find out the meaning of "be carefule what you ask for." Had the man had a couple of bad seasons in a row or in a short period of time, I'd understand it, but he hasn't...

I agree. It seems like TT and Auburn only tolerated each other while things were good. When things got bad, they were too happy to be rid of each other. Kinda reminds me of Chuck Noll and Terry Bradshaw.

 

[bamadp]

more power to him if he can...

fulmer was fat and happy at tenn...playing mr secret witness when he should have been focusing on his own team...he lost his edge and along come Coach Saban with a standard so high it takes 20 hours a day to reach it...spanked him twice in a row and boom fulmore is gone

tubs was fat and happy with us and our troubles...he was hoping we would keep shula forever because he would have never lost to shula...he was sticking fingers in the air and poking fun, he was duck hunting and all kinds of stuff...when he should have been coaching his team...along comes Coach Saban and boom blows him out of the water in recruiting and then on the field...bye bye tubbie

look folks the hand-writing is on the wall...to compete with this man, football better be #1 with you and your staff...or else boom you'll be blown away.

This pretty much explains the situation.
CNS out recruited them, out coached them and basically out worked them. You could give them another year, two more years or five more years, it would not make any difference. The gap between Bama and these programs is widening and they're trying too stop the bleeding.

There is nothing new under the sun.

The key to the future (and the present) is the past.

A long time ago, way back in the recesses of the memories of the old-timers, a tradition-rich university in a Southern state went from a semi-forgotten has-been to CFB's biggest powerhouse almost immediately with the hire of a controversial, take-no-prisoners head coach who outworked, out-recruited, and out-coached everybody.

At the time this coach was hired, the SEC was full of successful coaches with reasonably long tenures. Within a few short years, they started disappearing faster than ice cubes in the desert. Different opinions existed as to why, but the fact remained that they disappeared.

Go study the history of the SEC after CPB came on the scene. You won't need to ask this question again.

BINGO!!!

 

[Alasippi]

I think schools see what Saban has done so fast at both Bama and LSU and they think, foolishly, "We can do that too with the right coach".

What they can't seem to understand is that there is only one Nick Saban.

I can't think of another coach who could do what he has done at Bama.

I think Spurrier, at one time, could have. And Bowden and Paterno when they were young, maybe.

But now, I think he's simply head and shoulders above anybody.

Tressels at Ohio State is very good, Carroll at USC, Stoops, Mack Brown.
They're all outstanding coaches, but I think they're outstanding because of where they are. I just don't think they could do it at Bama like Saban did.